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[Fast Jimmy]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't understand why a different gender would make it so hard to empathize with your character. I mean, presumably, you're not saying that you find it impossible to empathize with men generally, in life? However, what it really comes down to is this:

It's very specifically an RPG issue for me. I can play other games with male protagonists; I've even tried out God of War (which I found a rather empty experience, but for other reasons). When I'm just watching a character who's clearly not mine, it's all good, but I find it more problematic when you're allegedly making a character and yet are forbidden from making so many choices about them.

I guess I've never had the opportunity to play an RPG (to my recollection) where the PC was guaranteed to be a female, but where the rest of their character was a blank slate and allowed for lots of role playing ability. Games that have done the blank slate protag well, in my mind (like Fallout 1 + 2, Arcanum, DA:O, V:TM) all had dual gender options. And games, particularly RPGs, that have a female protag usually go out of their way to make that female a set character, with a pre-determined background and personality. 

[The Hierophant]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm going to have to ask why you're named after a neo-**** band before answering the question, really.

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 05 novembre 2013 - 11:21 .

[dreamgazer]

PrussianBlue wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

That is actually a really good Idea, does not feel as personal though. Not the "Child" (I know lol)/Parent relationship).

It doesn't feel quite as personal, but it's difficult to work around terms of endearment while staying neutral like that. 

And really, I have no idea how this came up. 

[Xilizhra]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't understand why a different gender would make it so hard to empathize with your character. I mean, presumably, you're not saying that you find it impossible to empathize with men generally, in life? However, what it really comes down to is this:

It's very specifically an RPG issue for me. I can play other games with male protagonists; I've even tried out God of War (which I found a rather empty experience, but for other reasons). When I'm just watching a character who's clearly not mine, it's all good, but I find it more problematic when you're allegedly making a character and yet are forbidden from making so many choices about them.

I guess I've never had the opportunity to play an RPG (to my recollection) where the PC was guaranteed to be a female, but where the rest of their character was a blank slate and allowed for lots of role playing ability. Games that have done the blank slate protag well, in my mind (like Fallout 1 + 2, Arcanum, DA:O, V:TM) all had dual gender options. And games, particularly RPGs, that have a female protag usually go out of their way to make that female a set character, with a pre-determined background and personality. 

An odd and irksome tendency, really.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Not sure, they've managed to squash my interests in Mass Effect and the Old Republic series thus far and DA2 also left me wanting. However DAI provides a nice opportunity for them to give me some satisfaction on that front at least. So basically DAI is the last bioware project thus far I have any investment or interest in.

Unless of course they do a follow up to Jade Empire that isn't an iOS game, then they'll certainly have my attention.

[Nohvarr]

PrussianBlue wrote...
Let me explain. It´s pretty simple actually.

Of course I´ll buy a good game if they make one, but for the last years, every Bioware game was a certain buy for me. I did not even inform myself about the games, I just bought them because I KNEW they would be quality games.

Now I do not feel like that anymore. And that is basically what this thread if about, maybe it came around differently in my first post. Sorry then.

I've seen this thread before, just within the last 24 hours in all honesty. I don't see the point of dedicating another thread to 'I hope this game is awesome' discussion. It will be what it will be, and  we will all form different opinions on the relative quality as the comments in this thread make very clear.

Now if you want to talk about the available information, your theories about various elements of the product, and/or discuss things you'd like to see by all means knock yourself out.

[Hazegurl]

I liked ME3 a lot and DA2 was okay. Even if I hated both games it wouldn't be enough for me to cast BW off. A third bad game probably would though. So far they seem to have learned their lesson with DA2 so I'm ready and eager to play it.

[Blastback]

Bioware's history is strong enough that i will always at least take a look at whatever they put out. It could affect my decisions regarding preorders for the foreseeable future, but I'm not going to just completely write off the studio.

[Volus Warlord]

This again?

Loads of people say this all the damn time and then completely cave and buy the games anyway. Just shut up with your hollow demand drama already.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 05 novembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Last chance? Not really. Pretty sure I'll always be a BioWare fan. Sure ME3's ending disappointed me, but I'd be kidding myself if I swore off BioWare for that stumble. (I thought DA2 was good, so I am not counting that in my experience.)

[Selene Moonsong]

As a woman, I do not connect well with male protagonist RPG characters as I do with female characters. Some folks, male and female alike, can play any gender, race, etc.

I have played through the entire series of games such as Balder's Gate, Neverwinter Night (1&2), Jade Empire, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect with both genders of characters, and in all cases, my preferences have always been to play female characters at a ratio of about 12:1 vs male characters because it is the skin I am most comfortable wearing in an RPG and to willingly let myself go as the protagonist player.

I've never bothered with any RPG game solely invested in a male protagonist. So yes, it does mean something to some of us players.

In answer to the OP, however, while I have had some disappointments in previous games, even including the Baldur's Gate series, I see no reason to consider offering a last chance with a company who's games I fully enjoy, never have I played an RPG from BioWare where I was so disappointed in their offerings to where I felt the need to offer them a last chance, and will pre-order as I have been doing in the past.

Note: This topic is on my watch list.

[Gileadan]

I did not enjoy DA2 - mostly because characters and story just didn't click with me - but I'm pleasantly surprised by most of what I've seen of DA:I so far. If they make a good game, I'll buy it and enjoy the heck out of it.

[Nohvarr]

Estelindis wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's very specifically an RPG issue for me. I can play other games with male protagonists; I've even tried out God of War (which I found a rather empty experience, but for other reasons). When I'm just watching a character who's clearly not mine, it's all good, but I find it more problematic when you're allegedly making a character and yet are forbidden from making so many choices about them.

As I said, you are entitled to your preferences - and I maintain that.  But what confuses me is that gender should be such a huge issue that it would prevent you from connecting with the character you're roleplaying, even if that character had a huge number of things in common with you at the level of personality.

I am an African American male, and I enjoy playing characters in an RPG that can look and act like I want them to act and have the world react to that choice. One of the areas that ME 1 and DA: O smoke TW2 is in character generation, since my decision about Shepard's background or the race and gender of the Warden has a noticeable impact on the game world and how it reacts to me. So when my Shepard is an African American female and former military brat, I enjoy seeing that choice reflected in my game play. When my Warden is a City Elf who just had her wedding ruined it allows me to invest more in her story. I can not tell you how much fun I found it to cheer my elf on as she rampaged through the arls home on a quest to rescue her friends and make the duke's son pay for putting his grubby hands on her and her friends.

So, to me, the devs choice to put in a character generator and have the world react to it increased my appreciation and enjoyment. Conversly it's absence impeded my joy when playing TW 2. I simply stopped caring about Geralt, his quest to find some woman I don't know, care about or have any connection to, his friends, their concerns or the plights of the various nations he passes through. Honestly I enjoyed the monster hunting aspect of that game more than anything else, and it's the monster hunting aspect that will likely be my main interest when playing TW 3.

Though to be fair I am looking forward to Wasteland 2, Project Eternity and Torment Tides of Numenera over TW 3.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

No. Bioware's made plenty of games I've enjoyed. One or two disappointments isn't going to stop me from EVER buying another of their games.

At most, I've decided not to pre-order or buy soon after release. At least for DA:I.

[Selene Moonsong]

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[Thomas Andresen]

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

Pet names, nicknames, and the like, is way out of character for him.

Xilizhra wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I guess I've never had the opportunity to play an RPG (to my recollection) where the PC was guaranteed to be a female, but where the rest of their character was a blank slate and allowed for lots of role playing ability. Games that have done the blank slate protag well, in my mind (like Fallout 1 + 2, Arcanum, DA:O, V:TM) all had dual gender options. And games, particularly RPGs, that have a female protag usually go out of their way to make that female a set character, with a pre-determined background and personality. 

An odd and irksome tendency, really.

In my experience, games that have "dual gender options," as you say, are the games that, overall, deal with mature theme much more, uhm, "maturely," than those that force you into a single gender(be it male or female).

[Sanunes]

PrussianBlue wrote...

I felt like Mass Effect 3 was, at least story wise, a massive dissapointment to me personally.

Dragon Age 2, in comparison, was more like a total failure. But  I have not given up on Bioware yet, though
CD Projekt Red is really really REALLY close to become my favorite game developer right now.

Anyone else feeling the same?

Not me, I am almost 100% sure I will buy this, but not sure when.  I am really more interested in what the new IP is going to offer, for the longer a series runs the less excited I am about it, but new IPs are something I really enjoy and that is what makes Mass Effect 1 my personal favorite for it has its major flaws, but the remembering how it felt when I first was introduced to the Mass Effect universe is what keeps the negatives at bay.

Personally until CD Projekt Red comes up with an original title and not something based on a book series is when I might spend more attention on them, for I like their story which is something they are basing on a book. The problems I have seem to be what a developer would be responsible for, for the game was unplayable for me at launch and I didn't have fun with the combat's difficulty curve.

[dreamgazer]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

Pet names, nicknames, and the like, is way out of character for him.

Eh, I could see him saying something that simple.  

"Son" and "child", however, fall into what you're talking about.

[Silfren]

PrussianBlue wrote...

I felt like Mass Effect 3 was, at least story wise, a massive dissapointment to me personally.

Dragon Age 2, in comparison, was more like a total failure. But  I have not given up on Bioware yet, though
CD Projekt Red is really really REALLY close to become my favorite game developer right now.

Anyone else feeling the same?

Is not this more or less the very same question presented in the "Do you think Inquistion will be good" thread?

[Fatiguesdualism]

dreamgazer wrote...

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

"You did good, you did...good..." 

Yes a bit cliché - but at least gender neutral!

RE: OP Simple answer, I don't expect Bioware to make a game I'd enjoy after their most recent efforts.  Doesn't mean they can't - doesn't mean I won't buy it if they do.  It does mean that the BioWare label isn't an automatic draw for my attention anymore and they're going to have to make more of an effort for my attention (and cash) from here on out.  Also no pre-orders -even if "AMAZING PRE-ORDER ONLY DLC"- or day 1 purchases, sorry!

[Nohvarr]

Silfren wrote...
Is not this more or less the very same question presented in the "Do you think Inquistion will be good" thread?

It is, we should probably ask the mods to lock one of them.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 05 novembre 2013 - 11:44 .

[Mr.House]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

Pet names, nicknames, and the like, is way out of character for him.

Xilizhra wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I guess I've never had the opportunity to play an RPG (to my recollection) where the PC was guaranteed to be a female, but where the rest of their character was a blank slate and allowed for lots of role playing ability. Games that have done the blank slate protag well, in my mind (like Fallout 1 + 2, Arcanum, DA:O, V:TM) all had dual gender options. And games, particularly RPGs, that have a female protag usually go out of their way to make that female a set character, with a pre-determined background and personality. 

An odd and irksome tendency, really.

In my experience, games that have "dual gender options," as you say, are the games that, overall, deal with mature theme much more, uhm, "maturely," than those that force you into a single gender(be it male or female).

Not in my experience.

[billy the squid]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

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