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[AlanC9]

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis.

When would it ever be sensible to take games on any other basis than case-by-case?

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 novembre 2013 - 12:01 .

[DarthSideus2]

krul2k wrote...

nope dont feel the same considering i really enjoyed DA2 and ME3, the ending was abit meh but other than that i found the gameplay to be very enjoyable and a huge step forward to the 2 previous installments.

There was obvious features etc in both games i disliked, but guess what there is features an what not in every game i play i dont like but that dont stop me enjoying the games

This.

Based on what I have seen and read thus far, I will pre-order this game and I am also looking forward to the new IP and ME games.

[Aaleel]

Well no such thing for me as a last chance.  I'll never refuse to buy a good game no matter who makes it. 

However, after DA2 Bioware was off my will pre-order from list and after ME3 on top of DA2 they aren't even on my I will definitely buy at some point list.  I'm going to have to hear good things, and from people I know and trust their opinion to buy another Bioware game.  They're obviously taking their games in a certain direction regardless of which team is making it, which has not really been my cup of tea. 

[Silfren]

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[Navasha]

AlanC9 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis.

When would it ever be sensible to take games on any other basis than case-by-case?

There are games out there that I was so disgusted with that I will paint any future games they may create with that expectation of horribleness.  

Dark Souls, for instance, showed me that Namco and FromSoftware couldn't be bothered with even attempting to port the game properly to PCs.   This tells me that its very likely that anything they produce in the future isn't worth my time researching. 

Luckily, Bioware has never produced such a bad game.   DA2, while disappointing, still was a decent game that just failed to live up to the expectations of its predecessor.    Until they actually do produce a game that actually truly upsets me, Bioware products will likely stay on the Day 1 purchase category.   That is provided its sci-fi or fantasy related.

[Silfren]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

It shouldn't be sacrificed, but if I had to choose

Writing quality > Gender selection 

I have no idea if you identify as a man or not, but It's easy to say this when the vast majority of games feature male PCs. 

I am rather disinclined to believe that most men would share that sentiment if the situation were reversed and 98% of the games available to them either featured women PCs whose gender could not be selected, or, in the case of gender-selectable rpgs, the story nonetheless came across as being designed "naturally" for a female PC while the content for a male option came across as contrived.  I seriously don't think men would so easily dismiss the importance of gender selection in games if they didn't already experience near universal representation of them.

And don't anyone try to categorically tell me that they would totally be cool with such a scenario because they'd still believe that good writing trumps gender selection:  men CANNOT say that because they are barred from having to live the experience.

Modifié par Silfren, 06 novembre 2013 - 12:42 .

[Silfren]

Estelindis wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's very specifically an RPG issue for me. I can play other games with male protagonists; I've even tried out God of War (which I found a rather empty experience, but for other reasons). When I'm just watching a character who's clearly not mine, it's all good, but I find it more problematic when you're allegedly making a character and yet are forbidden from making so many choices about them.

As I said, you are entitled to your preferences - and I maintain that.  But what confuses me is that gender should be such a huge issue that it would prevent you from connecting with the character you're roleplaying, even if that character had a huge number of things in common with you at the level of personality.

I'm missing something.  From the start of that conversation, I thought Xil was only saying that she didn't like Geralt, not that she didn't want to play him because he's not a woman. 

The first mention of gender selection was just a throwaway comment: Xil said that she liked DA2 but not Witcher and someone countered that they thought DA2 was the same as Witcher in terms of a fixed personality for the PC, except that in DA2 you could choose gender and facial appearance.  That's how I read it, at least: it didn't seem to me as being intended to say that gender was not important, so why Xil responded as if that was the post's point, I dunno. 

But now we're talking as if Xil said that she didn't like Geralt because she didn't like male characters, and what I read was that she just didn't like Geralt as a person, period.

[Aaleel]

AlanC9 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis.

When would it ever be sensible to take games on any other basis than case-by-case?

Well I'll give developers a presumption of quality based on past games, and they'll keep it until they make a game that I find so poor or unenjoyable that I no longer make that assumption.  DA2 was that game for me.  I honestly considered not buying ME3 at all, but I broke down after release and bought it because I just had to finish my Shepard's 5 year journey. 

[Fast Jimmy]

AlanC9 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis.

When would it ever be sensible to take games on any other basis than case-by-case?

Expecitng people to make sensible purchases is ludicrous. Hardly no one ever does, in the vast majority of markets. Otherwise people would be stashing money into tax protected investments, long-term growth opportunities and a Total Gym instead of eating at restaurants, drinking at bars and spending $20 for a date night at the movies. People spend way too much on what they don't need and not nearly enough on what they do.

To expect logic with purchases on entertainment is a fallacy. If people were truly intelligent with their money, they wouldn't be spending money on video games at all. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 06 novembre 2013 - 12:42 .

[CrazyRah]

It's not a last chance in the sense if the game isn't what i like that i'll never ever buy from them again but more a title i hope to see in what direction Bioware want to take their games and if it's in a direction i want to follow or not.

[Mike3207]

greengoron89 wrote...

I see this thread has fallen apart quickly. You people just can't help but turn every thread into a bad sociology class.

How many members of the forum do you actually think took Sociology? I never did, myself.

Last chance? Meh.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 06 novembre 2013 - 12:51 .

[Xilizhra]

greengoron89 wrote...

I see this thread has fallen apart quickly. You people just can't help but turn every thread into a bad sociology class.

This may have something to do with us having nothing to talk about. There's been no new information of any substance recently.

[jncicesp]

Mass effect 3 wasnt bad enough to get me to stop caring, Ill think twice about the next ME but thats it, I didnt think that ME2 was all to great but I kept going anyway.
Dragon age 2 was cool enough for me in a lot of ways If DAI is horrible then The one after that will be my last chance but Im not negative with with Bioware least with what Ive seen.

[Sanunes]

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis. As for DAI specifically, I will probably wait for reviews and opinions from people I trust before I decide to buy or not.

I know the BSN has mixed opinions about CD Projekt RED, but I really like their games.

W3: Wild Hunt is on my must-buy list for 2014.

I am glad you like those games, for me any game I buy is a case-by-case basis for I have been disappointed with so many games since the era of the PS2 I don't want to waste my money.

[dragonflight288]

Mass Effect 3 was a last chance, then it was the Extended Cut, now it's Dragon Age Inquisition....

I'm detecting a pattern.

[Silfren]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis.

When would it ever be sensible to take games on any other basis than case-by-case?

Expecitng people to make sensible purchases is ludicrous. Hardly no one ever does, in the vast majority of markets. Otherwise people would be stashing money into tax protected investments, long-term growth opportunities and a Total Gym instead of eating at restaurants, drinking at bars and spending $20 for a date night at the movies. People spend way too much on what they don't need and not nearly enough on what they do.

To expect logic with purchases on entertainment is a fallacy. If people were truly intelligent with their money, they wouldn't be spending money on video games at all. 

....What, praytell, was the point of this rhetoric about games not being something sensible to spend money on when the point being made was only that the only sensible way to judge games is case-by-case?  Your crap about expectations and sensible purchases is kind of totally nothing to do with their point.

[Fast Jimmy]

Xilizhra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I see this thread has fallen apart quickly. You people just can't help but turn every thread into a bad sociology class.

This may have something to do with us having nothing to talk about. There's been no new information of any substance recently.

How is that any different than 95% of the time on the BSN? The vast majority is waiting with no information. Given the glut we had two months ago, we're still in the black as far as the information tap. This time last year, two years after DA2 came out and no announcement of DA3/DA:I yet... THAT was an informational wasteland. Yet we had some really good discussions about gameplay mechanics such as the dialogue wheel, roleplaying support in the game (both explicit and implicit), expansion of non-combat skills, various leveling ideas... basically, in absence of random, teasing plot elements, people talked about the game portion of the game.

And it wasn't half bad. 

[TheChris92]

I tend to look at it this way -- The developers aren't my close friends, they are not here to please me 'personally' or adjust themselves according to my expectations. Certaintly, they want to make as many consumers happy as possibly, but the former still applies. I have a list of developers I like because of their approach and practice of developing their games, or just their games in general. But I tend to be cautiously open minded to both disappointment and satisfaction. Because, before I know it -- It'll probably happen. I didn't take my disappoint over BioWare's Mass Effect sequels personally, I simply moved on to other games because the industry is big and there are always games that aspire to what I like. So, yes, BioWare doesn't have me up and high in glee over their future games, but from what I've seen of DA3. I can say that there is something that has me intrigued about it. In the end, it all comes down to what they show and deliver, really. Not their reputation among gamer enthusiast.

[KR4U55]

IMH(umble)O I buy really few videogames per year, 2 or three, and Bioware always make videogames that range from best from the best to avobe average, so it's a safe bet that, no, not really the last chance, I'll still be playing most of their releases.

[Fast Jimmy]

Silfren wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

After DA2, I'm taking each BioWare game on a case-by-case basis.

When would it ever be sensible to take games on any other basis than case-by-case?

Expecitng people to make sensible purchases is ludicrous. Hardly no one ever does, in the vast majority of markets. Otherwise people would be stashing money into tax protected investments, long-term growth opportunities and a Total Gym instead of eating at restaurants, drinking at bars and spending $20 for a date night at the movies. People spend way too much on what they don't need and not nearly enough on what they do. 

To expect logic with purchases on entertainment is a fallacy. If people were truly intelligent with their money, they wouldn't be spending money on video games at all. 

....What, praytell, was the point of this rhetoric about games not being something sensible to spend money on when the point being made was only that the only sensible way to judge games is case-by-case?  Your crap about expectations and sensible purchases is kind of totally nothing to do with their point.

Simmer down.

The person I quoted tried to bring logic into why someone would no longer have the sentiment of "Bioware is no longer an instant-buy to me." As if the majority of people put loads of rational thought into any of their everyday purchases. It's just not supported by market realities.