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[Boiny Bunny]

lady_v23 wrote...

People said the same thing when DA2 and ME3 came out...

And you may notice that some people on here own ME2 but not ME3 (myself included).  There are a number of people who have already 'stepped off the train', as it were, so it's certainly not all empty talk.

I would love for Bioware to 'get me back on board' though.  I certainly don't get any pleasure from feeling that their latent efforts have been a series of disappointments...

[HiroVoid]

zMataxa wrote...

Last chance?  Only if I want to fireball  "my best entertainment options"  to ashes.

Bioware has a mature elegance combined with interactive deep detailed story-telling that no one else can touch. (No, I wouldn't call the Witcher series elegant.)
And Yes, the female RPG VO option is critical, and the romances are serious selling features.
Each instalment was different - but all enjoyable in their own way.

I'll stop before this degrades into an analytical rant at "some fans" with their melodramatic "last chance" declarations.

As far as mature elegant storytelling goes, what about Telltale games?  'I have no mouth and I must scream' also released on GOG recently.  Planescape has a good philosophical story going.  'Another World' that inspired ICO and Shadow of the Colossus is also another good one.  999 and Zero Escape were brilliant in my opinion which released on the DS, 3DS, and Vita.  Chrono Trigger is an excellent take on a 'fairy-tail' like story with excellent RPG elements.  I haven't played it, but Final Fantasy VI is also highly regarded.  There's also 'To the Moon' and 'Papers Please' with the last one having been released recently.

[badboy64]

Absolutely not. None what so ever.

[zMataxa]

HiroVoid wrote...

As far as mature elegant storytelling goes, what about Telltale games?  'I have no mouth and I must scream' also released on GOG recently.  Planescape has a good philosophical story going.  'Another World' that inspired ICO and Shadow of the Colossus is also another good one.  999 and Zero Escape were brilliant in my opinion which released on the DS, 3DS, and Vita.  Chrono Trigger is an excellent take on a 'fairy-tail' like story with excellent RPG elements.  I haven't played it, but Final Fantasy VI is also highly regarded.  There's also 'To the Moon' and 'Papers Please' with the last one having been released recently.

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Hi.  Thanks for those excellent suggestions.

It's just that ENTIRE mix of mature - elegant - highly immersive - interactive (illusion of choice works great for me) - complex story - interesting companions - romance - gritty with sweet moments - AND all at once - in one package.
Planescape - not immersive enough with all the text (though I've considered it a few times - because that game does intrigue me).
Final Fantasy - the characters themselves feeling more targeted to a youngish audience (but I'm keeping an eye on it - just in case).
Some of those others - I will have to check into to make sure.
Any one of those you might short-list recommend based on my criteria of likes?

[Nightdragon8]

its not really about last chances or first chances. I thought DA2 was decent. Not as good as DA:O (i played them in reverse order.)

As for ME1-3 Honestly great story, just hated the ending... so I liked 99% of the game just failed to get the ending right (to my standards)

So in reality as long as the game is fun gameplay is fun and a good story I will buy. If your asking if I'm preordering.... unless the pre-order deal is something extremely great probably not.

[zMataxa]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

And you may notice that some people on here own ME2 but not ME3 (myself included). 

FYI: I own all 3 ME's.  Not one of them shows, because I have not registered them.
Though I may have to - inorder to enjoy the Citadel expansion.  Though I would prefer to buy again for console and play offline. 

Modifié par zMataxa, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[dragonflight288]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 was a last chance, then it was the Extended Cut, now it's Dragon Age Inquisition....

I'm detecting a pattern.

Don't forget ToR. I heard that threat thrown around a lot prior to that game's launch as well. 

I remember. I happen to like all these games, some more than others, and some a LOT more than others, but overall, Bioware has never failed to give me a good RPG.

They've had some issues in the past, but I'm not looking for "those good old days that never existed."

[Boiny Bunny]

zMataxa wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

And you may notice that some people on here own ME2 but not ME3 (myself included). 

FYI: I own all 3 ME's.  Not one of them shows, because I have not registered them.
Though I may have to - inorder to enjoy the Citadel expansion.  Though I would prefer to buy again for console and play offline.

Sure - there are no doubt a number of people who have unregistered games.  But there are certainly a decent number of people who have registered every Bioware game out, with ME3 missing (or perhaps if they aren't DA people, just ME2 and no ME3).  Perhaps it would stick out more if it showed older games as well (ME1, JE, KOTOR, etc.)

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:15 .

[HiroVoid]

HiroVoid wrote...

As far as mature
elegant storytelling goes, what about Telltale games?  'I have no mouth
and I must scream' also released on GOG recently.  Planescape has a good
philosophical story going.  'Another World' that inspired ICO and
Shadow of the Colossus is also another good one.  999 and Zero Escape
were brilliant in my opinion which released on the DS, 3DS, and Vita. 
Chrono Trigger is an excellent take on a 'fairy-tail' like story with
excellent RPG elements.  I haven't played it, but Final Fantasy VI is
also highly regarded.  There's also 'To the Moon' and 'Papers Please'
with the last one having been released recently.

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Hi.  Thanks for those excellent suggestions.

It's
just that ENTIRE mix of mature - elegant - highly immersive -
interactive (illusion of choice works great for me) - complex story -
interesting companions - romance - gritty with sweet moments - AND all
at once - in one package.
Planescape - not immersive enough with all
the text (though I've considered it a few times - because that game does
intrigue me).
Final Fantasy - the characters themselves feeling more
targeted to a youngish audience (but I'm keeping an eye on it - just in
case).
Some of those others - I will have to check into to make sure.
Any one of those you might short-list recommend based on my criteria of likes?

I THINK 999 and Zero Escape would sound up your alley though it's not too big in the romance department, has a set male protagonist in both games, and it's anime-stylish(it's a visual novel with puzzles really). I'd probably look up screenshots of the characters before(though be careful of spoilers.).

'To the Moon', 'Papers Please', and 'I have no mouth' also fall under games I haven't played yet, but I believe based on what I've heard, 'To the Moon' might fall under your preference as well. The others I believe are supposed to be fairly depressing.

Final Fantasy VI is basically the Final Fantasy game I hear my friends talk about who I believe tend to have good taste that have recommended manga like 'Naussica' to me before, and it has a female protagonist. I don't expect it to really have too many choices though since it has fairly set characters.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:15 .

[Boiny Bunny]

HiroVoid wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

As far as mature
elegant storytelling goes, what about Telltale games?  'I have no mouth
and I must scream' also released on GOG recently.  Planescape has a good
philosophical story going.  'Another World' that inspired ICO and
Shadow of the Colossus is also another good one.  999 and Zero Escape
were brilliant in my opinion which released on the DS, 3DS, and Vita. 
Chrono Trigger is an excellent take on a 'fairy-tail' like story with
excellent RPG elements.  I haven't played it, but Final Fantasy VI is
also highly regarded.  There's also 'To the Moon' and 'Papers Please'
with the last one having been released recently.

_____________

Hi.  Thanks for those excellent suggestions.

It's
just that ENTIRE mix of mature - elegant - highly immersive -
interactive (illusion of choice works great for me) - complex story -
interesting companions - romance - gritty with sweet moments - AND all
at once - in one package.
Planescape - not immersive enough with all
the text (though I've considered it a few times - because that game does
intrigue me).
Final Fantasy - the characters themselves feeling more
targeted to a youngish audience (but I'm keeping an eye on it - just in
case).
Some of those others - I will have to check into to make sure.
Any one of those you might short-list recommend based on my criteria of likes?

I THINK 999 and Zero Escape would sound up your alley though it's not too big in the romance department, has a set male protagonist in both games, and it's anime-stylish(it's a visual novel with puzzles really). I'd probably look up screenshots of the characters before(though be careful of spoilers.).

'To the Moon', 'Papers Please', and 'I have no mouth' also fall under games I haven't played yet, but I believe based on what I've heard, 'To the Moon' might fall under your preference as well. The others I believe are supposed to be fairly depressing.

Final Fantasy VI is basically the Final Fantasy game I hear my friends talk about who I believe tend to have good taste that have recommended manga like 'Naussica' to me before, and it has a female protagonist. I don't expect it to really have too many choices though since it has fairly set characters.

FF6 doesn't really have a single protagonist.  You technically start the game with a female character, but within a few minutes have others added to your party, from which point onwards you can (mostly) use any combination of the 14 characters in the game that you like (well, if you've recruited them).  It's quite unusual in that regard.  I think there are still hardcore fans arguing whether Terra or Celes are eligible to be counted as the main character - but it's really a technicality - they just happen to be the 'starting characters' - you don't even have to have Terra in your party at all, or even see her, in the second half of the game, if you choose.

No plot choices either.  But IMO, certainly the finest FF game ever released.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:28 .

[HiroVoid]

Oh right. Also the Persona and Megami Tensei series as well. Most have male protagonists though. I know there's a PSP port of Persona 3 that allows the player to choose a female protagonist though.

[Thrillian]

No, no last chance for me. Even had I hated DA2 or ME3 (I didn't), there still would be no last chance with me. A game company name has never mattered to me more than the game itself, although I will admit that the Bioware name does hold some sway in getting me to initially have interest in a game, if only because I have yet to play a Bioware game that I hated.

I will admit that the first time I played DA2 I was slightly disappointed, but after playing it again a year later, I realized that my initial disappointment was not due to DA2 being a bad game (re-used environments excluded) but because my expectation had been that it would be DA:O 2. As a stand alone game, I find I very much enjoy DA2.

As for ME3, I really never understood the insane backlash about the endings. Yes I found the ending to ME3 rather lackluster but I greatly enjoyed the rest of the game. It is actually my favorite of the series.

I don't think there will ever be a game company that will earn it's "last chance" from me, sometimes I like games, sometimes I don't. I have purchased games that I didn't enjoy before, but I have never decided that the company that made said game deserved my ire. I've always just figured my tastes ran in a different direction, no big deal.

[HiroVoid]

Eh. I played Dragon Age 2 expecting something a bit different, but then got tired of all the same areas and repetetive enemies and fights. Quit after about 10 hours.

Then, I played Dragon Age 2 later knowing what it was and still found the same problems.

[zMataxa]

@HiroVoid.  Thanx so much.
From your description, it sounds like Final Fantasy would be the closest to the DA series - when you add in everything.
Visual Novel with puzzles isn't really my thing.
Thanks again though!  That was very kind of you.

[Thrillian]

HiroVoid wrote...

Eh. I played Dragon Age 2 expecting something a bit different, but then got tired of all the same areas and repetetive enemies and fights. Quit after about 10 hours.

Then, I played Dragon Age 2 later knowing what it was and still found the same problems.

I can understand that, but for me those problems didn't overshadow the rest of the game, which I very much enjoyed.

[TurretSyndrome]

Not really a last chance per say, but Inquisition will definitely be a final attempt to rejuvenate my interest in this franchise.

DA 2 was a disappointment, story, character and exploration-wise. That would've been fine, as I always expect sequels to be inferior to the first games. The problem was that Bioware was pretty arrogant about it. Constantly promising players the best experience, while saying how DA 2 improves over DA:O on so many things etc. I'm not really a "loyal" fan of Bioware, but even I got the wind of how unproductive their behavior was back then.

But now, that arrogance has been toned down quite a bit. The "We know what we're doing, shut up and let us work" attitude also seems to have decreased. So I'm willing to give them one last chance, but that's just for Dragon Age. If they screw this up, it's not like I won't be buying any game Bioware ever makes, it's just that I probably will never be as invested in this franchise as I am now.

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:42 .

[Schneidend]

Bioware has yet to disappoint me.

[zMataxa]

HiroVoid wrote...

Eh. I played Dragon Age 2 expecting something a bit different, but then got tired of all the same areas and repetetive enemies and fights. Quit after about 10 hours.

Then, I played Dragon Age 2 later knowing what it was and still found the same problems.

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How did you play DA2?
If I played it as a warrior class - I couldn't handle it either.

Whereas playing the rogue WITH Daggers was a treat with all the different VERY FAST moves - and it became a game within a game to see how fast I could take down a crew - factoring in my companions as well.
It was a great way to relax the mind after a day of "mental lifting".

Or, playing as a mage, and all the visual effects - and trying to do it faster and faster - also quite entertaining when needing a more simple relaxation.

Once you get past the "waves" and "recycled areas" - the amount of different "short story arcs" under the wider Hawk story arc are quite well done.  Reminded me of ME2 with it's more companion focussed quests.

So back to thread topic, -- Last chance?  I need an icon for rolling on the floor laughing and then wiping the tears off my face and instead saying like a little 2 year old with a big smile "More?".

Modifié par zMataxa, 06 novembre 2013 - 05:15 .

[HiroVoid]

Two-handed warrior for me at first. Second time I played an archer which was more tolerable for me I think. I think the biggest part was just getting a fight done only to see another wave of enemies coming. To me, it wasn't hard as much as it was just annoying. I switched to easy mode to just try and get through as quickly as possible, but that just made things too boring.

[zMataxa]

HiroVoid wrote...

Two-handed warrior for me at first. Second time I played an archer which was more tolerable for me I think. I think the biggest part was just getting a fight done only to see another wave of enemies coming. To me, it wasn't hard as much as it was just annoying. I switched to easy mode to just try and get through as quickly as possible, but that just made things too boring.

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Yes, for me too, neither of those two choices would work very well either in DA2 combat.

Modifié par zMataxa, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:59 .

[animedreamer]

 Even if this game is horrible, the Dragon Age Setting in and of itself is interesting and worth learning more about, I'd read books and comics based on it, as well as continue to play games related to it. You think people who loved the various Dungeons and Dragons worlds, simply just stop playing all together simply because they didn't like the latest edition of the system or played a bad video game with the D&D logo on it? No. when you're addicted to something you're addicted until some outside force breaks that habit or you realize this addiction is unhealthy and you need to stop.

Modifié par animedreamer, 06 novembre 2013 - 05:26 .

[themageguy]

I've enjoyed all the games.
And after seeing the pre-alpha build gameplay for DA:I , I can't wait to roll my mages characters!

[themageguy]

animedreamer wrote...

 Even if this game is horrible, the Dragon Age Setting in and of itself is interesting and worth learning more about, I'd read books and comics based on it, as well as continue to play games related to it. You think people who loved the various Dungeons and Dragons worlds, simply just stop playing all together simply because they didn't like the latest edition of the system or played a bad video game with the D&D logo on it? No. when you're addicted to something you're addicted until some outside force breaks that habit or you realize this addiction is unhealthy and you need to stop.

+10, fellow Dragon Age addict here !!!

[-TC1989-]

Eh... a last chance? I wouldn't go that far. However, I have gotten to the point where I do cautiously look at reviews, and study what to expect from their games. I do have faith that this is their come back story, but you never know.

[TheExtreamH]

in my eyes Bioware have done nothing wrong. I enjoyed both Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2, and will buy as many DA games they make as long as i enjoy them.