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[craigdolphin]

To answer the OP....obviously you're not the only one who feels the way you do. I'm one of those. But just as clearly, there are also a sizeable group that feel differently. C'est la vie.

That said, I'm feeling largely optimistic about what I've seen to date. Not without some hesitations and reservations mind you. But generally things that have been shown discussed so far are much more promising than DA2. I skipped Me3 due to origin so I dodged the infamous ending bullet thankfully.

Largely the biggest difference is likely to be that I will only be buying one copy of Bioware games going foward. I used to buy both a PC copy and xbox copy so my wife and I could both play as soon as the game was available without having to wait for the other to finish first. We were both totally jazzed and hyped up for anything Bioware made. After DA2, neither of us really is that bothered by the thought of having to wait to play anymore. Their sales potential in my family is probably halved for the forseeable future. It's going to take a good couple of great return to form games to fully re energize my enthusiasm to that point again.

And if they insist on origin for the PC version then I'll still buy a copy...only for console and I'll wait for a second hand copy instead of buying new.

[Rawgrim]

ScarMK wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm going to have to ask why you're named after a neo-**** band before answering the question, really.

This reeks of looking for something to be offended by.

[Fredward]

Nah I'm not such a self important little **** that I usually declare giving people last chances. Especially not multimillion dollar businesses for whom my support would've been but a drop in the ocean anyway. If I'm done with something I'm done with something, no histrionic declarations necessary.

Xilizhra wrote...
I'm going to have to ask why you're named after a neo-**** band before answering the question, really.

They have apparently recanted their tasteless association. More proof that weed makes you a better person.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 06 novembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[Sanunes]

duckley wrote...

Bioware produces games that I like and games that I love. As long as that remains the case I will continue to buy their games. I also have enjoyed the work of other game producers such as Naughty Dog and CD Projekt Red.

What might make me stop buying a game from Bioware is if they produced a game with the levels of problems Skyrim had. There was something terribly wrong with the game for many PS3 players. My game froze so much that I could not finish it. There have been at least 9 patches, and still there are bugs and problems for many. The apparently lack of Quality Assurance will certainly make me think twice about trying another product by that company!

I agree, technical issues are more likely something to drive me away from a developer then a bad game.

[Khayness]

No. The BioWare magic is already gone. Just check the credits of ME or DA:O and watch out for the names who aren't working for BioWare anymore.

Edit: And check out those who still do, and compare their attitude to the fanbase now and say, 5 years ago. They can PR talk all they want, but I was here (even on the old forums). Lurking. Seeing. Remembering.

Oh, I'm going to buy it allright, a year or two after release, since retail EA games are getting cheap really fast here.

Modifié par Khayness, 06 novembre 2013 - 06:57 .

[Hellion Rex]

Nope, OP. Bioware will always hold a special place in my heart, and I trust them to do DAI justice.

Modifié par eluvianix, 06 novembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[Sanunes]

Khayness wrote...

No. The BioWare magic is already gone. Just check the credits of ME or DA:O and watch out for the names who aren't working for BioWare anymore.

Oh, I'm going to buy it allright, a year or two after release, since retail EA games are getting cheap really fast here.

The problem I have with your arguement is you can probably say the same thing about any studio, they talk about a 90% retention rate of people that worked on Jade Empire working on Dragon Age: Inquisition so many of the people that made that magic in the first place are still at BioWare.

As far as price cuts go, that can describe almost any game I have seen released gets dropped cheap with the first two years, heck its normally about a year before its last chance before they no longer stock it or its left in the bargin bin with no shelf space and then the price goes up because they special order it from the warehouse.

[Khayness]

Sanunes wrote...

As far as price cuts go, that can describe almost any game I have seen released gets dropped cheap with the first two years, heck its normally about a year before its last chance before they no longer stock it or its left in the bargin bin with no shelf space and then the price goes up because they special order it from the warehouse.

I honestly have no idea why did you include this in your post.

[Uccio]

DAO and ME1 were awesome. ME2 was ok but became somewhat pew pew so I didn't buy ME3. DA2 was such a kick in the sack that I will take a good look how DAI is received by players before decide if I buy it. That combat demo with gate smashing Hulk Cassandra had button awesome written all over it. As for future Bio games I will wait and see. TW games are awesome and I have quite good feeling about TW3.
I've allways loved character/party relations in Bio games and it is one thing I've been advocating to CDproject to take note.

Modifié par Ukki, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:12 .

[Ieldra]

@OP:
I dislike this talk of "last chances". If Bioware makes a game I'm likely to like, I'll buy it, if they don't, I won't. I will never be able to say in advance if I'm going to buy the next game or not. For instance, if they changed combat in DAI so that it had boss fights like in TW2, I would probably not buy it, with great regret, since I couldn't get past the Kayran fight in TW2 with three tries on easy and that sapped my motivation so much that I've never finished it.

Having said that, I am longing for another game I can love as unconditionally as DAO, a wild, sprawling epic where my character is mine, where most decisions make sense, where common sense isn't sacrificed for drama, where I meet interesting companions which aren't limited to express one archetype each, and my protagonist can get an LI with a destiny of her own as strong as his.

I am longing for it. Really. Do you hear me, Bioware?

[Khayness]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Having said that, I am longing for another game I can love as unconditionally as DAO, a wild, sprawling epic where my character is mine, where most decisions make sense, where common sense isn't sacrificed for drama, where I meet interesting companions which aren't limited to express one archetype each, and my protagonist can get an LI with a destiny of her own as strong as his.

I am longing for it. Really. Do you hear me, Bioware?

I hate to be that guy, but: Baldur's Gate 2 with Throne of Bhaal

Or get all the games and mod it into one continuous playthrough.

[Ieldra]

Khayness wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Having said that, I am longing for another game I can love as unconditionally as DAO, a wild, sprawling epic where my character is mine, where most decisions make sense, where common sense isn't sacrificed for drama, where I meet interesting companions which aren't limited to express one archetype each, and my protagonist can get an LI with a destiny of her own as strong as his.

I am longing for it. Really. Do you hear me, Bioware?

I hate to be that guy, but: Baldur's Gate 2 with Throne of Bhaal

Or get all the games and mod it into one continuous playthrough.

Then perhaps it won't surprise you that I've played that game to excess, including a setup with hundreds (!) of mods integrated by some truly dedicated fans to work together seamlessly.

However, the games do age. Bioware made DAO to come out ten years later, and you feel it. Anyway, I can't believe they won't be able to make another one with the same appeal.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:48 .

[Star fury]

Ukki wrote...

DAO and ME1 were awesome. ME2 was ok but became somewhat pew pew so I didn't buy ME3. DA2 was such a kick in the sack that I will take a good look how DAI is received by players before decide if I buy it. That combat demo with gate smashing Hulk Cassandra had button awesome written all over it. As for future Bio games I will wait and see. TW games are awesome and I have quite good feeling about TW3.
I've allways loved character/party relations in Bio games and it is one thing I've been advocating to CDproject to take note.

Pretty much. I can also include TORtanic into flops.

[Khayness]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then perhaps it won't surprise you that I've played that game to excess

Actually it does, leaving TW2 at the Kayran on easy after 3 tries fooled me, I'm terribly sorry.

[Ieldra]

I don't find ME1 to be even close to DAO in appeal. Not when the drab cut-and-paste locations for sidequests were every bit as bad as in DA2.

[Ieldra]

Khayness wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then perhaps it won't surprise you that I've played that game to excess

Actually it does, leaving TW2 at the Kayran on easy after 3 tries fooled me, I'm terribly sorry.

The thing is, I'm really bad at fights which require a sequence of prescribed moves. I also hate them, have no patience with them and think games shouldn't have them, and that TW2 did a bad job of telling me what was required on top of it. When I looked it up on the net, my motivation was already so sapped that I didn't continue. BG2/TOB's fights were hard at times, but always straightforward. I've played ME2 and ME3 on Insanity and ME1 on Hardcore. No problem there. As opposed to that, the Reaper fight on Rannoch made me scream with frustation before I got the hang of it after half a dozen of tries, and I never play Corypheus on anything but easy (In fact, I resent I can't cheat in that battle because doing it messes up the script and you can't finish the fight).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2013 - 09:05 .

[Star fury]

Khayness wrote...

No. The BioWare magic is already gone. Just check the credits of ME or DA:O and watch out for the names who aren't working for BioWare anymore.

Edit: And check out those who still do, and compare their attitude to the fanbase now and say, 5 years ago. They can PR talk all they want, but I was here (even on the old forums). Lurking. Seeing. Remembering.

Oh, I'm going to buy it allright, a year or two after release, since retail EA games are getting cheap really fast here.

Brent Knowles. 

I remember an atmosphere here when people waited the DA2 release just after DA:O and ME2 - it was so optimistic and positive. Everyone was looking forward to play DA2. Bioware staff blame "toxic" forum atmosphere, but it was a lot different when they made better games. 

[Star fury]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't find ME1 to be even close to DAO in appeal. Not when the drab cut-and-paste locations for sidequests were every bit as bad as in DA2.

It was a chore to play side missions with just one and only military base layout. But main storyline missions were amazing. 

[TurretSyndrome]

Star fury wrote...
I remember an atmosphere here when people waited the DA2 release just after DA:O and ME2 - it was so optimistic and positive. Everyone was looking forward to play DA2. Bioware staff blame "toxic" forum atmosphere, but it was a lot different when they made better games. 

So true. Even though I wasn't really involved in the forums(like now, I guess), there was a lot of positivity back then. And then comes the Planetcracker EA Ishimura which starts drilling through Planet Bioware, and stealing away it's resources.

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 06 novembre 2013 - 09:19 .

[Ieldra]

Star fury wrote...
I remember an atmosphere here when people waited the DA2 release just after DA:O and ME2 - it was so optimistic and positive. Everyone was looking forward to play DA2. Bioware staff blame "toxic" forum atmosphere, but it was a lot different when they made better games.

I think one problem is that fans tend to be extremely conservative in their preferences ("We want a game just like game X of five years ago") while game developers can't afford to only cater to old fans and must innovate (well, unless you're EA and you can get way with producing clones every year because millions will play them anyway for some completely incomprehensible reason). Sometimes that pays off - ME2's gameplay innovations were mostly a success, and the character focus of the game had as many fans as detractors. Sometimes it backfires - ME3 with its sacrifice of player agency for thematic unity. And sometime's it's just plain bad - DA2 with its cave(s) and house(s) and its abuse of the enemy wave mechanic. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 novembre 2013 - 09:54 .

[Shevy]

I don't like the term "last chance", it's too ultimate.
Yep, DA II wasn't a good game imo and not worth the money I spent on it. That's why I'm not going to blindly pre-order DA:I and will wait for reviews, professionals and player ones. If it turns out to be a game of my liking, I'll get it regardless of how disappointed I was with its precursor. If not, it's going to stay in the shelf.

The same goes for a hypothetical DA 4. It's not like BioWare injured me with DA II and my vengeance will only stop when the company closes their doors.

[AlanC9]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I think one problem is that fans tend to be extremely conservative in their preferences ("We want a game just like game X of five years ago") while game developers can't afford to only cater to old fans and must innovate (well, unless you're EA and you can get way with producing clones every year because millions will play them anyway for some completely incomprehensible reason). Sometimes that pays off - ME2's gameplay innovations were mostly a success, and the character focus of the game had as many fans as detractors. Sometimes it backfires - ME3 with its sacrifice of player agency for thematic unity. And sometime's it's just plain bad - DA2 with its cave(s) and house(s) and its abuse of the enemy wave mechanic. 

Right.  You weren't around here when NWN shipped, were you? It got kinda ugly. Partly because there were some questionable design decisions, but also because NWN wasn't BG3.

[mickey111]

Xilizhra wrote...

PrussianBlue wrote...

But may I ask if you liked the Witcher 2? Thought that was great, felt a bit like Dragon Age: Origins to me.

I do not play Witcher, as I prefer to have RPGs where I can design my own characters and am not stuck with someone unlikeable.

I prefer a game like witcher because its conversation system doesn't make geralt act like he's got some sort of split personality disorder  (only way to do that in a Bioware game is to stick closely to paragon or renegade and not switch mid-conversation, and not choose investigate options), but that's just me. If you want to mix and match between completely different emotional reactions designed for seperate characters then that's you.

Modifié par mickey111, 06 novembre 2013 - 10:44 .

[hotdogbsg]

Nope, don't look on it as a last chance for me.

I enjoyed ME3 immensely, save for the last 20 minutes or so. Really liked DA:2 as well but I only bought it a year ago and my expectations were tempered due to the negative feedback the game received, so I was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed it.

[Liamv2]

Nope not me ME3 was disappointing but i loved DA2 even more than origins. The DA team has not done anything wrong for me yet. However i will be waiting for a month after release before buying just in case.