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[Straken-SWE]

Quick question
Does the assignments counts as missions regarding the forced process in me2?
Doing an insanity run, an wanted to get as much xp as possible, before being forced to move on to the hard missions horizon and the like 

Modifié par Straken-SWE, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[capn233]

Anything with a mission complete screen counts towards the mission timers.

Horizon does not work on a mission timer though. You have to finish Professor, Archangel, Convict, and Warlord and then it will force you to go to Horizon.

[Straken-SWE]

And those are the missions right? Because assignments just give you an email right?

[capn233]

No. Emails are irrelevant.

Go to the journal. There are "Missions" (which are predominantly main line missions), and then "Assignments."

Assignments contain all forms of side quests, from side missions that give you actual Mission Complete screens (aka N7 Missions, Normandy Crash Site, Firewalker, etc). But it also includes the fetch quests and other minor things that are completed at hubs. Only the Assignments that give you a Mission Complete screen count towards mission timers.

This is also to the root of the exploit where you can go to Normandy Crash Site repeatedly and advance the mission timer since it will give you a new Mission Complete screen every time you replace the monument and leave.

There are a few items in the Mission tab that don't give a mission complete screen as well, but they are usually just ancillary plot things and most of the time nobody would confuse them with an actual mission. They are also typically used to point you towards missions (like Tuchanka: Urdnot Wrex, Citadel: Capt Bailey, etc).

[Straken-SWE]

Ok, played for an hour now and sidequests like Omega bartender, or Citadel fish, doesn't give a a mission complete screen, but it does give you xp, normandy crash site does give you a mission complete screen but it doesn't count towards forced progress I think because I'm pretty sure I was at 4/5 missions and that would trigger Horizon if it was.
No exploits for me, would rather not do insanity if I was to do that ^^
thx Capn

[cap and gown]

@Straken

There is a way to get in 6 missions between Horizon and Collector ship. Please see this thread for my suggestion on doing missions during this window for maximum experience (and money):

http://social.biowar.../index/17375622

[capn233]

Straken-SWE wrote...

Ok, played for an hour now and sidequests like Omega bartender, or Citadel fish, doesn't give a a mission complete screen, but it does give you xp, normandy crash site does give you a mission complete screen but it doesn't count towards forced progress I think because I'm pretty sure I was at 4/5 missions and that would trigger Horizon if it was.
No exploits for me, would rather not do insanity if I was to do that ^^
thx Capn

Horizon is not on a mission timer.

Modifié par capn233, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:17 .

[Yezdigerd]

By completing your fourth original dossier mission you trigger Horizon. You can collect tons of xp here by doing alll side missions and available dlcs.
5-6 mission complete screens trigger the collectorship, the 6th you can get if the 5th doesn't force you to Normandy, like the Tuchanka missions,and Miranda's loyalty mission.

capn233 wrote...This is also to the root of the exploit where you can go to Normandy
Crash Site repeatedly and advance the mission timer since it will give
you a new Mission Complete screen every time you replace the monument
and leave.

I don't see why this is an exploit, using it to advance the timer don't give you any in game advantages I know of, rather it would make the collector ship harder without strong upgrades like hard shields.

[capn233]

Yezdigerd wrote...

I don't see why this is an exploit, using it to advance the timer don't give you any in game advantages I know of, rather it would make the collector ship harder without strong upgrades like hard shields.

That depends on your point of view.

Doing DCC earlier allows you access to your bonus weapon for all the post Horizon dossier missions, which would tend to make those missions easier.

Or you can use it to advance dialogue that you would have missed otherwise due to oversight.

No, there are not huge advantages to be gained, but they are there and are the result of using something in the game in an unexpected way.  Unless of course Bioware actually meant for Alchera to be used in this manner, in which case it is "clever use of game mechanics."

[Straken-SWE]

Okey, thx, did a couple of missions yesterday, mostly firewalker, and will continue to avoid the ones I figure will trigger horizon tonight. So far so good

cap and gown: Will look into that when horizon is done!

Maybe I'm doing a too big of a thing about this, but I hate getting stuck and redo things ^^

Edit: So no dlc missions count, and that would be Kasumi, Zaeed to? Figure some of the missions aren't worth while like Shadowbroker, since there is no requirement saying you need to do all missions, like unwavering Me3?

Modifié par Straken-SWE, 07 novembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[Yezdigerd]

capn233 wrote...

Doing DCC earlier allows you access to your bonus weapon for all the post Horizon dossier missions, which would tend to make those missions easier.

Right, but those missions allow for the use of the bonus weapon even without the Normandy dlc, you could do 5 N7 mission and achieve the same thing, and it require you to do the collectorship mission lacking upgrades which many already consider the hardest mission in the game.

No, there are not huge advantages to be gained, but they are there and are the result of using something in the game in an unexpected way.  Unless of course Bioware actually meant for Alchera to be used in this manner, in which case it is "clever use of game mechanics."

Maybe I have missed a class that is desperate for the bonus weapon, but in my experience anyone doing Alcera five times to force the collectorship mission is making the game harder for themselves not easier.

Modifié par Yezdigerd, 07 novembre 2013 - 06:44 .

[capn233]

Yezdigerd wrote...

Right, but those missions allow for the use of the bonus weapon even without the Normandy dlc, you could do 5 N7 mission and achieve the same thing, and it require you to do the collectorship mission lacking upgrades which many already consider the hardest mission in the game.

Not sure exactly what the point of this conversation is, outside of trying to prevent the label of "exploit."  Would you have preferred I wrote something more verbose like "the glitch which may or may not be used to your advantage depending on when you utilize it?"

Infiltrator and Vanguard are probably the two best examples.  Widow is a drastic improvement to the Mantis, and Claymore is really a significant improvement to base shotguns if you reload cancel.

The only N7 Assignments worth doing before DCC are Anomalous Weather Detected and MSV Strontium Mule (which requires Archeological Dig Site).

Maybe I have missed a class that is desperate for the bonus weapon, but in my experience anyone doing Alcera five times to force the collectorship mission is making the game harder for themselves not easier.

That is probably because most use Alchera to advance crew dialogue that they would have missed due to oversight.  Some might use it to advance the counter for LOTSB delivery terminal.  It does not really matter because if you use a bit of the game in an unexpected way that leads to some advantage, it is an exploit.  That is just the definition of exploit, and has a negative connotation because some think that exploits are cheating, when that isn't necessarily the case.

[Straken-SWE]

Playing as soldier, hahne khedar mission next

Modifié par Straken-SWE, 09 novembre 2013 - 02:20 .