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My prediction for Me Next.

"Change the ending! Whine Whine Whine. Never Forget. Blah Blah We want shepard. Annoying Noise."


If people are actually still saying that in 3-4 years time, it won't be something to mock and ridicule. It might be time to actually consider, if it's carried on that far.

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What if its neither prequel nor sequel.
It could be placed in between ME1 & ME2, OR between ME2 & ME3 -- both cases there was a time-frame when Sheppard was out-of-commission (under reconstruction in project Lazarus / in the brig for the Arrival action), so the story could play at in those gaps and focus on other characters.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

My prediction for Me Next.

"Change the ending! Whine Whine Whine. Never Forget. Blah Blah We want shepard. Annoying Noise."


If people are actually still saying that in 3-4 years time, it won't be something to mock and ridicule. It might be time to actually consider, if it's carried on that far.


Actually, it might be time to look at them, sneer, and go "What the **** is wrong with you people?"

Same reaction warrented against people still "hurt" over the prequeal series or bad star trek films.

When it passes 2 years, it's time to move the hell on or go check yourself into the mental health ward.


Not if it's a lot of them. That would mean a larger pattern is at play, and not just outliers of "crazy people".

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StreetMagic wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

My prediction for Me Next.

"Change the ending! Whine Whine Whine. Never Forget. Blah Blah We want shepard. Annoying Noise."


If people are actually still saying that in 3-4 years time, it won't be something to mock and ridicule. It might be time to actually consider, if it's carried on that far.


Actually, it might be time to look at them, sneer, and go "What the **** is wrong with you people?"

Same reaction warrented against people still "hurt" over the prequeal series or bad star trek films.

When it passes 2 years, it's time to move the hell on or go check yourself into the mental health ward.


Not if it's a lot of them. That would mean a larger pattern is at play, and not just outliers of "crazy people".


Assumes there's a dichotomy between large numbers and being crazy.

You can have a large group of crazy people and still have them be crazy.

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Assumes there's a dichotomy between large numbers and being crazy.

You can have a large group of crazy people and still have them be crazy.


....who all happen to be Bioware fans. I don't know if that's funny or sad. B)

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Actually, it might be time to look at them, sneer, and go "What the **** is wrong with you people?"

Same reaction warrented against people still "hurt" over the prequeal series or bad star trek films.

When it passes 2 years, it's time to move the hell on or go check yourself into the mental health ward.


You are a very rude person.

Also, what kind of sense would it make to be so scornful towards persons whom you deem to be mentally ill? How does that help?

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To me, the problem isn't mental illness or anything of the sort. It's purely emotional. It's hard to move past emotional attachements. For some at least. Salarians do a better job at this.

On that note, I imagine many of the writers and developers are Salarians. Closure to them seems to be a purely a cerebral exercise.

edit: Except Mac, ironically. I think he's a feeler. It was his idea to bring back the idea of a party. His idea to explore characters again in these comics. He can't move on either.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 22 novembre 2013 - 08:03 .


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People who are overly attached, and yeah if you're still grieving and hyper bitter over a video game then you are indeed overly attached, don't deserve pity. They deserve harsh mocking criticism and a reality check.

There are people who don't greive for loved ones passing as much as some me fans grieve over the endings. Sick of having to pretend to feel sorry or give sympathy to these babies.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

People who are overly attached, and yeah if you're still grieving and hyper bitter over a video game then you are indeed overly attached, don't deserve pity. They deserve harsh mocking criticism and a reality check.

There are people who don't greive for loved ones passing as much as some me fans grieve over the endings. Sick of having to pretend to feel sorry or give sympathy to these babies.


No one said you had to.

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StreetMagic wrote...

To me, the problem isn't mental illness or anything of the sort. It's purely emotional. It's hard to move past emotional attachements. For some at least. Salarians do a better job at this.

On that note, I imagine many of the writers and developers are Salarians. Closure to them seems to be a purely a cerebral exercise.

edit: Except Mac, ironically. I think he's a feeler. It was his idea to bring back the idea of a party. His idea to explore characters again in these comics. He can't move on either.


I would say it is particularily hard to move on for those whose lives are otherwise relatively empty of enjoyment. One should be aware that there are such people.

If you really disapprove of them so vehemently, you can always ignore their posts.

It makes more sense than to direct them to a mental hospital.

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StreetMagic wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

People who are overly attached, and yeah if you're still grieving and hyper bitter over a video game then you are indeed overly attached, don't deserve pity. They deserve harsh mocking criticism and a reality check.

There are people who don't greive for loved ones passing as much as some me fans grieve over the endings. Sick of having to pretend to feel sorry or give sympathy to these babies.


No one said you had to.

Quite true. I don't really feel sorry for people who didn't get the endings they wanted, but I don't brush them off as mentally ill.
On the other hand Brotarians statement is considerably flawed. There are people who don't greive for loved ones passing as much as some ME fans grieve over the endings, because as a matter of fact some people don't greive for loved ones passing that much. It's just a vacant truism.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

People who are overly attached, and yeah if you're still grieving and hyper bitter over a video game then you are indeed overly attached, don't deserve pity. They deserve harsh mocking criticism and a reality check.

There are people who don't greive for loved ones passing as much as some me fans grieve over the endings. Sick of having to pretend to feel sorry or give sympathy to these babies.


You don't have to feel sorry for them but you don's have to figuratively scream your lungs out at them neither. 

Ignore them, otherwise you'll do more harm than good.

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If you look at the first picture of the guy holding the controller, u can see on his computer that there is a windows bar at the bottom of the screen. So technically this is just a image and not him actually playing the game.

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Rasofe wrote...

Quite true. I don't really feel sorry for people who didn't get the endings they wanted, but I don't brush them off as mentally ill. On the other hand Brotarians statement is considerably flawed. There are people who don't greive for loved ones passing as much as some ME fans grieve over the endings, because as a matter of fact some people don't greive for loved ones passing that much. It's just a vacant truism.


Comparing these two types of grief is not appropriate. How many people have you seen crying unconsolably over how bad the Mass Effect ending was?

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Personally, I'm past the endings. I accept them. They're crap, but I accept them. It's like swallowing a hot pepper or some unsavory food, and washing it down quickly with water. What I find difficult to move past is the treatment of various squad and past elements of the ME.. I grieve over not getting enough closure with them. They made up for some of it in Citadel, but it'll always stick in the back of my mind that they were willing to gamble on much less. I think they relied too much on player data (from ME2) and their most vocal fanbases to deliver the best game experience. Rather than making it feel like all past players could feel immersed.

This is so off the point though. Don't mean to derail. Just saying.. that's where my emotional ties are. The characters. Not the end.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 22 novembre 2013 - 08:25 .


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Bill casey.

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@Brotharion
You were trying to say etiquette, right?
And no. Trying to justify saying they should check themselves into a mental ward because good manners force you to be sorry is contradictory. The rule of thumb of good manners is to not provoke people, not to sympathise with them. Especially on the internet when no one knows you're not telling people you feel sorry fo them.
Also, I don't know much about BSN but I thought threats were a bannable offense post 2012.

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Why are you telling ME this?

Modifié par Rasofe, 22 novembre 2013 - 08:27 .


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StreetMagic wrote...

This is so off the point though. Don't mean to derail. Just saying.. that's where my emotional ties are. The characters. Not the end.


Meh. The forum is pretty dead anyway, can't hurt to stray off topic for a bit.

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Rasofe wrote...

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Why are you telling ME this?


A misquote, I apologize.

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I say just call the series crap and move on if the ending was so disappointing. I was highly disappointed with how the last airbender movie turned out, but I react as a reasonable person does and simply avoids giving money to shamalans avatar adaptations. There isn't a big fan campaign or massive "change the movie!" movement because people recognize there are things beyond simply this movie and move on.

I think the ability to move on is a sign of mental strength, if not even mental health. And thst if a person lacks the ability to let go and deal eith their disappointment in a non-obstructive or obssessive way, thst they are crazy. Same thing with hoarders, same thing with addict collectors, same thing with star wars fans who say the prequels raped or killed their childhood and legitimatly mean it.

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I say just call the series crap and move on if the ending was so disappointing. I was highly disappointed with how the last airbender movie turned out, but I react as a reasonable person does and simply avoids giving money to shamalans avatar adaptations. There isn't a big fan campaign or massive "change the movie!" movement because people recognize there are things beyond simply this movie and move on.

I think the ability to move on is a sign of mental strength, if not even mental health. And thst if a person lacks the ability to let go and deal eith their disappointment in a non-obstructive or obssessive way, thst they are crazy. Same thing with hoarders, same thing with addict collectors, same thing with star wars fans who say the prequels raped or killed their childhood and legitimatly mean it.


It's not the same. Those are passive media. Not interactive. Even Walters has finally admitted to the difference, even if he defends the endings. That was his point about saying how people have different expectations when watching a show like Breaking Bad, and having a player character over a 7 year lifespan, like Commander Shepard. He got a lot of flak for comparing himself to Breaking Bad btw, but I don't think he was trying to do that.

edit: Otherwise, you do have a point. You have to move on sooner or later, and just embrace the hate.. and not worry about fixing what you can't change.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 22 novembre 2013 - 08:37 .


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@Sion: Apology accepted.
@Brotharion: You're being too loose with words like crazy and projecting your own hyperbole on Star Wars fans if you think they legitimately mean that the prequels killed their childhood. For the Last Airbender, there's no movement because the fans of the series have the original series to fall back on. For ME3, there's just the game. There was in fact a campaign to go ahead and get the endings at the very least improved, and for people like me who were more concerned with the execution than the concept it was well worth it. For others, not so much, especially the IT fans.
I think you're confusing mentall illness and being unlike yourself, to be honest. But that's probably an effect of the keyboard, just as your hollow threats are.

Modifié par Rasofe, 22 novembre 2013 - 08:39 .


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StreetMagic wrote...

It's not the same. Those are passive media. Not interactive


That explains why people would be more upset than a passive medium, but it doesn't quite explain why some people are unable to move past it. Then it becomes centered on the person, not the medium.

For example, I was more depressed after the ME3 OEs than any other game or movie (but not any book) and yet a few weeks later I was on playing other games. You still see posts sometimes about how ME3 "ruined" gaming for someone, and that really speaks more to the person than the game.

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CronoDragoon wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

It's not the same. Those are passive media. Not interactive


That explains why people would be more upset than a passive medium, but it doesn't quite explain why some people are unable to move past it. Then it becomes centered on the person, not the medium.


True enough. I ninja edited before you posted this, kind of acknowledging that. It's still necessary to move on, if you hate something.

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So why exactly shouldn't I call these nutjobs crazy?