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[Creator Limbs]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

You didn't get carried OP, the guy you played with is a fucking clown who wouldn't have made it to the end if you didn't pull your weight.

[NobodyofConsequence]

Lag is the great leveller in this game. You are never better than your latency. If you happen to host with a so-so or worse connection, and you get three PUGs from the other side of the planet, you're all going to have a bad time.

I think I've played with Koenig (not the particular game pictured, mind), and my recollection is that the lag was pretty bad. Just pointing this out, as I've seen plenty of games where someone was just not able to effect any sort of strategy, even though they were doing many of the right things, in terms of positioning and cover usage, and ended up with a modest score. God knows it's happened to me often enough.

[dafyddr]

To the OP: a-holes gonna b a-holes . If you'd out scored him he'd have said you were kill stealing.

But in terms of scoring, I think 60k and up is adequate (especially since lag). I had a game recently where there were 3 experienced players (if you count me) and one new guy (n7 of say 30 something). It was a quick and breezy glacier reapers and I was 3rd with 130k, and the new player got 47k. But he/she helped with objectives and even revived me the time I went down. So it may have been a 'carry' but it didn't hurt the game at all.

OT how do people get such huge scores? My highest is 170 on gold (4player), but I only got 260 last time I did a solo. How do people get 200k plus?

[Creator Limbs]

Lag is not universal and is different for everyone on different hosts. You should not presume that anyone is lagging.

[Creator Limbs]

dafyddr wrote...

To the OP: a-holes gonna b a-holes . If you'd out scored him he'd have said you were kill stealing.

But in terms of scoring, I think 60k and up is adequate (especially since lag). I had a game recently where there were 3 experienced players (if you count me) and one new guy (n7 of say 30 something). It was a quick and breezy glacier reapers and I was 3rd with 130k, and the new player got 47k. But he/she helped with objectives and even revived me the time I went down. So it may have been a 'carry' but it didn't hurt the game at all.

OT how do people get such huge scores? My highest is 170 on gold (4player), but I only got 260 last time I did a solo. How do people get 200k plus?

Objective ways add endless enemies to the wave budget. Objectives can go very smoothly or very badly, and tend to have more killing in team games.

[Koenig888]

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

Lag is the great leveller in this game. You are never better than your latency. If you happen to host with a so-so or worse connection, and you get three PUGs from the other side of the planet, you're all going to have a bad time.

I think I've played with Koenig (not the particular game pictured, mind), and my recollection is that the lag was pretty bad. Just pointing this out, as I've seen plenty of games where someone was just not able to effect any sort of strategy, even though they were doing many of the right things, in terms of positioning and cover usage, and ended up with a modest score. God knows it's happened to me often enough.

I'm sure you're right.  I usually play off-host with one or two seconds lag so the lag should be equally bad when I do host.

[Koenig888]

dafyddr wrote...

OT how do people get such huge scores? My highest is 170 on gold (4player), but I only got 260 last time I did a solo. How do people get 200k plus?

UUG for an extra 40% points and hope you get some really bad PUGs    This assumes you are able to carry the whole game.

[NuclearTech76]

Score isn't what I consider when saying I carry a team. It's if I have to clench wave after wave and most of them. If I'm 50-100K above another player and they just stay alive and help with objectives and use rockets appropriately I consider them more valuable than some score wh0re who doesn't help with objectives and drops six missiles on extraction.

[Jugger nuggss]

All I can say is

[OniGanon]

If someone is present for all 11 waves and has their score trebled by another, they were carried.

[palmof40sorrows]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

You didn't get carried OP, the guy you played with is a fucking clown who wouldn't have made it to the end if you didn't pull your weight.

This thing right here.

[Xiao Ran]

IMO. Generally speaking. 'Carrying' is playing half the game with 2 players because the other 2 die early and often, 'carrying' is when the other player has no consumables (or have used them by wave 5) and always need revived halfway across the map. Often they leave.

Otherwise, if a players is self-sufficient (few or no inconvenient revives across the map) and show up to revive others, score does not matter. Unless they are actively running from fights.

Rock stars often show up to play at levels below what would be their best challenge. In which case they may just be over equipped for the challenge. Is it possible to fight with just biotics?

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Ares_GoW wrote...

 I once felt "carried" and instantly rage quit out of shame. I have no idea how bad pugs can live with themselves 

We can't all be the Greek god of war.

[Beerfish]

There are very few true carries in this game. If you have to solo multiple waves becasue the other players are really bad AND you have done your best to help them stay alive as oppose to running off to a safe spot watching them get slaughtered then you can probably say you carried.  Just owning a huge score over other players is not a carry because you simply might be a better player, with beter gear with spawn knowledge and can outscore them dramatically.  If they are not on their faces all game long they could very well have been successful in the match with a medium or good player rather than a great bsner.

Modifié par Beerfish, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[VaultingFrog]

I get carried all the time, but that's ok I enjoy it.

[AlexMBrennan]

. the first time i got dropped by a dragoon saving one of the other players and the dragoon stomped me before i could gel

How long does it take you to press a key? You could have used a consumable but didn't, therefore you were carried.

[VaultingFrog]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

. the first time i got dropped by a dragoon saving one of the other players and the dragoon stomped me before i could gel

How long does it take you to press a key? You could have used a consumable but didn't, therefore you were carried.

Apparently you have never seen the dragoon instant stomp....

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

VaultingFrog wrote...

I get carried all the time, but that's ok I enjoy it.

I get outscored, but I don't usually get carried.  

[zeph08]

SerBiggs wrote...



Gotta use two hands with some of these pugs.

ROFLCOASTER !!!!!!

[Sailears]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

I get carried all the time, but that's ok I enjoy it.

I get outscored, but I don't usually get carried.  

Yeah this is a good point - there often isn't enough food to go around, and some players eat faster than others - but often the slower eater can also clear the entire table by themselves as well, it just takes a little longer.

[MaxCrushmore]

Personally, I think you have to have scored at least 150K (in Gold) before you can claim carrying. If the player in OP's story scored less that that, then there was no carry.

People who don't use in game consumables (when they obv. should have, like N7 1000+), this late into a game's lifespan, or those who choose to bleed out on wave 9 or away from an escort / hack, deserve to be whipped. I always take note of these people, to make sure I am ready in case I ever land in a lobby with them again.

[Liquid_Unicron]

Carrying can be a rather subjective thing, as can what qualifies one as having carried.

I define carrying my team when I am doing all of the mission objectives. To clarify what I mean, I usually don't do them myself, but concentrate on covering the teammate who is. That way he does not get surprised by a Geth Hunter while activating one of the 4 devices, or assailed by a Banshee while running the pizza. (Trying to do the drop-and-carry with the pizza with off-host lag makes my thumbs cry.)

As a result of this I usually vastly outscore most of my team, but that's because they took the down time to do the objective while I racked up points by protecting them while they did it. Don't get me wrong, if I am the closest to an objective I'll grab it, but my in my experience the life expectancy of my team seems to go up if I concentrate on covering them rather than grabbing the objectives myself.

Thus if I have to do all of the objectives myself, that means no one else in the team is even trying to do them. Hence I carry them.

Any time I score 200K+ on a gold. When the difference is that huge, I can't really see it as anything other than carrying.

Finally, if 3 or more waves I find myself having to solo the wave, (especially when I put considerable effort into trying to protect my teammates so that I don't end up soloing the wave) then it is carrying.

What the OP is describing is a D-Bag being a D-Bag.

[OniGanon]

VaultingFrog wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...
How long does it take you to press a key? You could have used a consumable but didn't, therefore you were carried.

Apparently you have never seen the dragoon instant stomp....

Yeah I've had Collector Captains stomp me before I even finish dropping to the ground...

Also, sometimes the camera angles don't let you see an enemy about to stomp you.

[The Last]

Some people here believe that the term "carry" is tied to the score. Let me give my own personal experience from a last night platinum game to clear it up a little. 

I was searching for a random gold pug and ended up right in the middle of a wave 5 platinum game. The whole team did well the entire game with very few deaths from what I recall. When it came to the score i ended up first with 223k, second was 196k, third was 160k, and fourth was 156k.

Now from what people are saying if I was in the game the entire time, I did not carry them, I agree but not because of the score, but because everyone did the objectives and worked effectively as a team with me being the higher DPS.

Now take into account that I said I joined in on wave 5, so it would have been higher if I was present for the first four waves. Now in that instance people would say i "carried" them. But my perspective of the matter remains unchanged in that I did not carry.

Bottom line, if the team works effectively, then you aren't carrying anything, you are using teamwork to make it to the extraction.

[Lucky]

SerBiggs wrote...



Gotta use two hands with some of these pugs.

Dawwwww!  Cute puppy.

As long as you contribute to objectives and score over 50k on gold I wouldn't say you were carried, at least not much.

That guy was just a dbag, as you said.