710 réponses à ce sujet

[MichaelStuart]

Just want to say. If Bioware adds a huttball like mode to the game, I'll probably play it.

[Iakus]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

BG (and BG2's) SP was so awesome it completely eclipsed multiplayer in a lot of people's minds.

If DAI is that high quality, then sure, mp is fine.  I may pick up the game eventually

But at this point I personally will accept nothing less.

I guess what I am saying here is that you don't appear to be coming across as an advocate for a strong single player experience, but really more of an advocate for ensuring that the game will not feature multiplayer.

I do not understand why you are saying that you'd be okay with a lesser quality single player game simply because it has no multiplayer.  Both as a gamer and a developer, I have a hard time reconciling your perspective.

I'm not so sure where the confusion lies here.  My post is pretty clear that I do want a strong single player experience.  Like BG and particularly BG2.   If DAI were to deliver such a high quality game, then I could be confident that multiplayer did not in fact take anything away from it, quantity or quality wise.  Or if it did, then the amount was trivial.  

I've been replaying both BG games recently (about to head to Spellhold now ) And the SP game is so vast, so immersive, and filled with memorable characters that it's easy to forget it has MP at all.  I want that experience.  I don't want a "Thedas Readiness" screen greeting me every time I open the game.  I don't want to be "encouraged" to use an aspect of a game I don't want to use to get a "better outcome"  I want a single player experience so enjoyable and immersive that it completely eclipses any multiplayer that may end up in the game.

Because a less than stellar DAI with MP will leave questions, and suspicion.  Was anything triaged out to make room for multiplayer?  Were SP features left out because they conflicted with MP features?  Could the word budget have been bigger if only coop hadn't gotten in the way?  Will I have to have always online DRM if I'm only going to do the SP campaign?  From where you're sitting, these may seem like silly questions.  But these are concerns that I have.  

I mean, if a a game that is  purely single player ends up sucking, you can't really blame multiplayer for messing anything up.  The game would still suck though   I don't want a mediocre SP game.  I've got plenty of those already.  What I want is a great SP game.   And I don't see MP contributing to that at all.  And I can imagine it potentially harming it..  If MP does end up in the game, it will make it that much harder for me to have faith that absoloutely everything was done to ensure that top-tier SP experience.

This may all be in my head.  I do not deny that.  But I also can't deny that it is there.  Maybe if ME3 had been the wonderful experience I wanted, I'd be more trusting.  But that didn't happen.  I got burned.  I may be drawing the wrong association from that.  But it's there, and it's not going away.

[Morty Smith]

leaguer of one wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please stop making threads about this. It isn't helping, really.

I hate the idea of it, but these threads aren't doing anything but drawing attention to it.

It's a Pendulum.  Ignoring it does not make it go away.

I think I will open a handfull of threads about this topic and just because of the implication that you might think that not talking about it would force feces to transmute.

Modifié par Kroitz, 09 novembre 2013 - 04:00 .

[leaguer of one]

EntropicAngel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

It's a Pendulum.  Ignoring it does not make it go away.

It's more like a politician.

If it gives controversial (not all bad) attention, they'll (the politician or the company) go for it.

There were plenty of us raging against ME3 MP before it was revealed, and even after that (but before release). It was a mixed bag, though, so BW went for it.

Focusing on MP just makes me unhappy here, and it won't change anything. So I'd personally prefer not to see it.

All personal, of course.

No. It's a penedulum. Saying it's other wise would mean we would have to power to stop it from happening. We don't. One way or another it's happening. And ME3's mp is not a mix bag. It is trully popular. It's just that you don't care for it. There others that don't care for it but they are far from the majority. Most who apposed it turn face once they played it.

[Schneidend]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please stop making threads about this. It isn't helping, really.

I hate the idea of it, but these threads aren't doing anything but drawing attention to it.

Haha, what? Are you serious?

You don't like multiplayer, so your answer is for the supporters to "stop making threads"? Why don't you instead construct a reasonable argument as to why we shouldn't have multiplayer? I have yet to see one, so it'd be a new experience for me.

[Morty Smith]

Schneidend wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please stop making threads about this. It isn't helping, really.

I hate the idea of it, but these threads aren't doing anything but drawing attention to it.

Haha, what? Are you serious?

You don't like multiplayer, so your answer is for the supporters to "stop making threads"? Why don't you instead construct a reasonable argument as to why we shouldn't have multiplayer? I have yet to see one, so it'd be a new experience for me.

Read the thread title, read the OP, read your post, check context, walk away.

[leaguer of one]

Kroitz wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please stop making threads about this. It isn't helping, really.

I hate the idea of it, but these threads aren't doing anything but drawing attention to it.

Haha, what? Are you serious?

You don't like multiplayer, so your answer is for the supporters to "stop making threads"? Why don't you instead construct a reasonable argument as to why we shouldn't have multiplayer? I have yet to see one, so it'd be a new experience for me.

Read the thread title, read the OP, read your post, check context, walk away.

That'a not going to make the issues of the mp go away. Once bw offically announces what it is we'll be back on this like white on rice.

[Schneidend]

Kroitz wrote...

Read the thread title, read the OP, read your post, check context, walk away.

Hmmm. Yeah, that's embarrassing.

In my defense, I've been trying to talk sense into so many brick walls in this thread I can barely see straight.

[Xerxes52]

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

[Morty Smith]

leaguer of one wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please stop making threads about this. It isn't helping, really.

I hate the idea of it, but these threads aren't doing anything but drawing attention to it.

Haha, what? Are you serious?

You don't like multiplayer, so your answer is for the supporters to "stop making threads"? Why don't you instead construct a reasonable argument as to why we shouldn't have multiplayer? I have yet to see one, so it'd be a new experience for me.

Read the thread title, read the OP, read your post, check context, walk away.

That'a not going to make the issues of the mp go away. Once bw offically announces what it is we'll be back on this like white on rice.

I was emphasizing your original sentiment with a wordplay on ****. Just take it ...

Modifié par Kroitz, 09 novembre 2013 - 04:31 .

[leaguer of one]

Kroitz wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please stop making threads about this. It isn't helping, really.

I hate the idea of it, but these threads aren't doing anything but drawing attention to it.

Haha, what? Are you serious?

You don't like multiplayer, so your answer is for the supporters to "stop making threads"? Why don't you instead construct a reasonable argument as to why we shouldn't have multiplayer? I have yet to see one, so it'd be a new experience for me.

Read the thread title, read the OP, read your post, check context, walk away.

That'a not going to make the issues of the mp go away. Once bw offically announces what it is we'll be back on this like white on rice.

I was emphasizing your original sentiment with a wordplay on ****. Just take it ...

Oh right. Because everyone has to play the mp no mater what. No way is there an option to not play it and ignore it and just play the sp. DAI is no longer a sp game it now a full on bro game mp cod shooter.

It's really that drastic...

[leaguer of one]

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

Just play the sp. There is not point in playing the co-op in your case.

[Texhnolyze101]

What i think doesn't matter since they will add it whether people like it or not.

[Texhnolyze101]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

Just play the sp. There is not point in playing the co-op in your case.

And what if the MP story is different from the SP story in which you only experience that particular piece of content in MP are you going to say the same thing?

[leaguer of one]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

Just play the sp. There is not point in playing the co-op in your case.

And what if the MP story is different from the SP story in which you only experience that particular piece of content in MP are you going to say the same thing?

The fact that bw doesn't want to alienate none of their fans by appling exclusive content to the mp means it wouldn't  have a real story....Like the me3 mp.

[Morty Smith]

leaguer of one wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

I was emphasizing your original sentiment with a wordplay on ****. Just take it ...

Oh right. Because everyone has to play the mp no mater what. No way is there an option to not play it and ignore it and just play the sp. DAI is no longer a sp game it now a full on bro game mp cod shooter.

It's really that drastic...

I wrote emphasizing it with, not compairing it to.

We are on the same deck regarding the topic. Misscommunication and missinterpretation are the culprits.

[Texhnolyze101]

leaguer of one wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

Just play the sp. There is not point in playing the co-op in your case.

And what if the MP story is different from the SP story in which you only experience that particular piece of content in MP are you going to say the same thing?

The fact that bw doesn't want to alienate none of their fans by appling exclusive content to the mp means it wouldn't  have a real story....Like the me3 mp.

I never played the ME3 MP and don't intend to so i wouldn't know if it had a story or not.

[leaguer of one]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

Just play the sp. There is not point in playing the co-op in your case.

And what if the MP story is different from the SP story in which you only experience that particular piece of content in MP are you going to say the same thing?

The fact that bw doesn't want to alienate none of their fans by appling exclusive content to the mp means it wouldn't  have a real story....Like the me3 mp.

I never played the ME3 MP and don't intend to so i wouldn't know if it had a story or not.

And that's where the problem lies. People jumping to conclution before even looking into the mp. You don't how a base less bias is not a good point to make an argument?

[kinderschlager]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Multiplayer would take up resources that then won't go to making the absolute best single player experience. I am also opposed.

pretty much this

[ElitePinecone]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Seriously? No conversations?

SP fans want conversations - And Lots of them - to explore the wolrd and RPG properly.
So if MP doesn't have them - then we are INDEED making two different product sets.
Devs would then start cutting conversations, because they want to put more time into MP which don't have any conversations, and this would lead to less convos in SP.

I typically avoid these types of threads because usually my statements get construed as confirmation to the inclusion (or lack thereof) of whether or not MP will be in the game, but the conclusion you have drawn here is incorrect.

ME3's multiplayer did not have any conversations in it. If you wish to believe that we cut conversation content from the single player game for this then I guess you have that right and I doubt me saying otherwise will convince you of that.

Also, I think the original poster maybe lumps all singleplayer fans together as wanting detailed conversations, characterisation, romances, etc, when in reality maybe some of them sincerely just want to hack at things with swords and lob fireballs at darkspawn. Maybe a lot of them like both aspects of the games.

It's tempting to think all other fans of the game are exactly like you, but that ignores the people who might be bigger fans of the combat systems, or the strategy and tactics involved in gameplay, or just seeing cool explosions and rogues flipping around with daggers. All of those are valid things to love about Dragon Age games.

[Texhnolyze101]

leaguer of one wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm not in favor of adding multiplayer to DA:I.

That being said, if multiplayer was being implemented, I would want to be able to play it solo with AI filling in for teammates, and the ability to play it offline.

Just play the sp. There is not point in playing the co-op in your case.

And what if the MP story is different from the SP story in which you only experience that particular piece of content in MP are you going to say the same thing?

The fact that bw doesn't want to alienate none of their fans by appling exclusive content to the mp means it wouldn't  have a real story....Like the me3 mp.

I never played the ME3 MP and don't intend to so i wouldn't know if it had a story or not.

And that's where the problem lies. People jumping to conclution before even looking into the mp. You don't how a base less bias is not a good point to make an argument?

I honestly don't care about what they do with MP as long as it doesn't affect SP in any single way so the the MP people can do whatever and we SP people can play and completely ignore MP entirely.

[Lokiwithrope]

Hey, if there has to be an expansion pack for multiplayer, so be it. I'd like to see how the ME3 formula could be improved for Dragon Age.

[TurretSyndrome]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I honestly don't care about what they do with MP as long as it doesn't affect SP in any single way so the the MP people can do whatever and we SP people can play and completely ignore MP entirely.

It will affect it, one way or another. 

[Schneidend]

kinderschlager wrote...

pretty much this

Read the thread. That's a fallacious argument not based in the reality of the game industry.