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[Ryzaki]

Hazegurl wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Geth tactics aren't really that complex really...


SWARM

Pretty much. Besides there's nothing she can offer Shepard about the Geth that he doesn't gain himself while fighting them on Eden Prime.

Exactly what I was trying to say.

And later on you get Tali making her even more irrelevant.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Geth tactics aren't really that complex really...


SWARM

Pretty much. Besides there's nothing she can offer Shepard about the Geth that he doesn't gain himself while fighting them on Eden Prime.

Exactly what I was trying to say.

And later on you get Tali making her even more irrelevant.

Why did Anderson even transfer her?  Its not like she is particularly unique or skillfu;/  All those promotions she was passed over for can't look too good on a record.

[DeinonSlayer]

I don't really have much use for Ashley in the field in ME1. Great, she can shoot. I have lots of shooters. Anyone can do it (except Liara and Kaidan). When I level up a squadmate's tech skills, I can have them toss out a mine at any time. Same for biotics. When I level up Ashley's skills, they only apply to whatever weapon she happens to have equipped. Hope I made the most of that Carnage shot, because she's not doing anything else for the next sixty seconds.

Meanwhile Tali has Carnage and four different tech attacks I can summon at any time. Liara can't shoot worth a crap, but she can lift entire rooms full of enemies off their feet, then there's Wrex... as much as I liked her character in ME1, Ash sadly just doesn't bring much to the table.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 04:48 .

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

Why did Anderson even transfer her?  Its not like she is particularly unique or skillfu;/  All those promotions she was passed over for can't look too good on a record.

I asked Liara the same thing.  

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Why did Anderson even transfer her?  Its not like she is particularly unique or skillfu;/  All those promotions she was passed over for can't look too good on a record.

I asked Liara the same thing.  

I don't see why she wasn't dropped off on the Citadel immediately after her mission.

[Hazegurl]

And to add insult to injury. Not only can Shepard gather his own intel on fighting the Geth during his mission but he fights them better than Ashley ever did.

As for Liara, I agree. I could have dropped her off at the Citadel then gotten a message to meet her there so she could mind meld later and tell me about Ilos. I didn't need her on my ship for that.

[DeinonSlayer]

Hazegurl wrote...

And to add insult to injury. Not only can Shepard gather his own intel on fighting the Geth during his mission but he fights them better than Ashley ever did.

As for Liara, I agree. I could have dropped her off at the Citadel then gotten a message to meet her there so she could mind meld later and tell me about Ilos. I didn't need her on my ship for that.

It's been discussed here many times before. Out of the entire ME1 squad, Liara was the one who really didn't seem to belong. The others all canonically had extensive combat training and/or experience before setting foot on the Normandy.

[Han Shot First]

Darks1d3 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I can't imagine a cat fight with Liara wouldn't end with the other person being stuck in a stasis field.

Catfight with Shepard would probably end in sex.

Shepard gives off space pheromones no species can resist. Even some krogan want Shepard after Grunt's rite of passage.

I don't even think Shepard could survive that.

I don't think Shepard would want to survive that.

[dreamgazer]

The daughter of the villain's right-hand (wo)man is a valuable asset and a variable.

I wouldn't let her out of my sight, personally.

[Steelcan]

dreamgazer wrote...

The daughter of the villain's right-hand (wo)man is a valuable asset and a variable.

I wouldn't let her out of my sight, personally.

What about after Noveria, why doesn't she revcieve actual protection?

Running around warzones isn't exactly keeping her safe.

[spirosz]

lololol - I was referring to ME3.

[DeinonSlayer]

dreamgazer wrote...

The daughter of the villain's right-hand (wo)man is a valuable asset and a variable.

I wouldn't let her out of my sight, personally.

No argument here. Just saying, she's an academic - a civilian - not a trained fighter. That's just how I see her.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:09 .

[Han Shot First]

dreamgazer wrote...

The daughter of the villain's right-hand (wo)man is a valuable asset and a variable.

I wouldn't let her out of my sight, personally.

Technically Garrus, Tali, Wrex and Ashley aren't needed on the Normandy either. Neither is Kaidan, who only happens to be on the Normandy because he was ordered there by Alliance command. Any other Marine Lt could have replaced him and it wouldn't have affected the mission at all.

Really all that argument boils down to is not wanting characters on the Normandy that she doesn't like. And having that opinion is totally fine, unless it involves pretending that other characters were more vital to the mission.

[Ajosraa]

shes like the latin girl you knew in highschool

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...
Why did Anderson even transfer her?  Its not like she is particularly unique or skillfu;/  All those promotions she was passed over for can't look too good on a record.

Because the plot demands apparently.

Edit: Liara's on the Normandy because of her experience with prothean tech. I really don't see how that's equal to Ashley's "You saved my life so I'm gonna stick on the ship despite you openly not wanting me on the ship." even more so since you can't beat the game without Liara. Ashley could completely vanish from the game (without needing a counterpart that does her role in the game) and not a damn difference would it make.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[DeinonSlayer]

ME1 fortunately gives us the option of choosing who to take on every mission. It doesn't force us to bring her along on Noveria to service drama, unlike Thessia in ME3.

Two years... it's easier to imagine she got something resembling proper combat training by then. Not spec-ops grade, but competent.

[Han Shot First]

Ajosraa wrote...

shes like the latin girl you knew in highschool

Is that like knew knew, or the bible knew.

That could go in very different directions.

[Ryzaki]

Han Shot First wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

The daughter of the villain's right-hand (wo)man is a valuable asset and a variable.

I wouldn't let her out of my sight, personally.

Technically Garrus, Tali, Wrex and Ashley aren't needed on the Normandy either. Neither is Kaidan, who only happens to be on the Normandy because he was ordered there by Alliance command. Any other Marine Lt could have replaced him and it wouldn't have affected the mission at all.

Really all that argument boils down to is not wanting characters on the Normandy that she doesn't like. And having that opinion is totally fine, unless it involves pretending that other characters were more vital to the mission.

Except the bolded is EXACTLY the case.

Kaidan and Ashley aren't really needed for anything outside sitting on the bomb at Virmire (and even then one could wonder why an additional Salarian doesn't just go with the other group).

Tali gives you the info that allows Shep to become a spectre therefore chase after Saren. If not for her info the Council would've dug its head even deeper in the sand than it usually is.

Wrex or Garrus point you towards Micheal/Fist who points you towards Tali. Without that info you woulnd't have reached her in time.

Liara is the only reason you get to Ilos. Without that you get critical mission failure.

Pretending they're all equally relevant to the plot is silly.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:19 .

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

ME1 fortunately gives us the option of choosing who to take on every mission. It doesn't force us to bring her along on Noveria to service drama, unlike Thessia in ME3.

Two years... it's easier to imagine she got something resembling proper combat training by then. Not spec-ops grade, but competent.

Not to mention her dialogue with Benezia was rather....stiff...corny...bad

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

ME1 fortunately gives us the option of choosing who to take on every mission. It doesn't force us to bring her along on Noveria to service drama, unlike Thessia in ME3.

Two years... it's easier to imagine she got something resembling proper combat training by then. Not spec-ops grade, but competent.

Not to mention her dialogue with Benezia was rather....stiff...corny...bad

I always took it as Liara being REALLY anti social and bad at expressing feelz.

(Least that got some of the cheese out my mouth).

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

ME1 fortunately gives us the option of choosing who to take on every mission. It doesn't force us to bring her along on Noveria to service drama, unlike Thessia in ME3.

Two years... it's easier to imagine she got something resembling proper combat training by then. Not spec-ops grade, but competent.

Not to mention her dialogue with Benezia was rather....stiff...corny...bad

I always took it as Liara being REALLY anti social and bad at expressing feelz.

(Least that got some of the cheese out my mouth).

I brought her there once


NEVER again

[wolfhowwl]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

And to add insult to injury. Not only can Shepard gather his own intel on fighting the Geth during his mission but he fights them better than Ashley ever did.

As for Liara, I agree. I could have dropped her off at the Citadel then gotten a message to meet her there so she could mind meld later and tell me about Ilos. I didn't need her on my ship for that.

It's been discussed here many times before. Out of the entire ME1 squad, Liara was the one who really didn't seem to belong. The others all canonically had extensive combat training and/or experience before setting foot on the Normandy.

Liara is definitely the worst, but I wouldn't put Tali that much higher either.

The only character that really stands out as exceptional would be Wrex. The others are...acceptable but probably weaker than or equal to a faceless Alliance commando.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:23 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

ME1 fortunately gives us the option of choosing who to take on every mission. It doesn't force us to bring her along on Noveria to service drama, unlike Thessia in ME3.

Two years... it's easier to imagine she got something resembling proper combat training by then. Not spec-ops grade, but competent.

Not to mention her dialogue with Benezia was rather....stiff...corny...bad

I always took it as Liara being REALLY anti social and bad at expressing feelz.

(Least that got some of the cheese out my mouth).

The theory I heard from Julia lately is that Liara is a high-functioning sociopath. Given how calm she is after Benezia, Nyxeris... it actually makes a lot of sense in retrospect.

@Wolf, I agree Tali would serve better in an "Anna Grímsdóttir" type of support role. Granted she was given extensive combat training in preparation for her pilgrimage, but given her high-value skillset and the dangers posed by combat on account of the whole immune system issue, I wouldn't want her kicking the door. Liara is similar - a high-value skillset, only, unlike Tali, without any semblance of military training. They're rear-echelon.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:25 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
The theory I heard from Julia lately is that Liara is a high-functioning sociopath. Given how calm she is after Benezia, Nyxeris... it actually makes a lot of sense in retrospect.

Makes the ME2 personality shift not so WTF either.

wolfhowwl wrote...
Liara stands out the worst, but I wouldn't put Tali that much higher either.

The
only character that really stands out as exceptional would be Wrex. The
others are...acceptable but probably weaker than or equal to a faceless
Alliance commando.

Oooh we're talking about combat wise? Liara would probably have the advantage of having biotics. Tali doesn't have that much.

Wait you think Garrus would be worse than a faceless alliance commando? Doesn't Anderson say in ME3 the turians pretty much have *very* good military training?

Steelcan wrote...
I brought her there once


NEVER again

LOL

I tend to bring her because my Sheps want to either test her or feel Liara could probably talk her mother down.