Dean_the_Young wrote...
Finally? What he do to get it?wolfhowwl wrote...
Unfortunately David7204 got banned again so we don't have anyone to defend the heroism of romancing shy, awkward virgins in Bioware games.
StreetMagic wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
RatThing wrote...
I don't know, I've never worked for a game company. I kinda imagine how they clench their fists everytime they read anything about lazyness when thinking about all the overtime hours they did to finish the game in time.
To that I respond simply that all I see is the finish product. If I think the finished product sucks, I'm not going to give a damn about how hard you worked. Because in my opinion, it was for nothing. It doesn't matter how hard you work, if you screw up, that's it. You just blew all that time and wasted everyone's time and money.
Then again, I'm not a fan of this whole "A for effort" idea that's been permeating the world in recent generations. I don't believe in rewarding effort if you don't achieve a goal or win or succeed.
Not recent generations. Just the last generation is suspected of being like that ("Y", I think). I'm generation x.. we grew up crying if our baseball teams made last place. We didn't get a trophy for that
Arbitrary distinctions ahoy? Liara is plenty mature.Yeah. I'm surprised she's as popular as she is. I wonder why Mass Effect demographics lean towards this. General gamer demographics still lean towards mid-20s/early 30s with the largest numbers. I'm in my 30s myself. The last thing I need is this juvenile JRPG sh!t. If it is going to be Japanese inspired, I still like the way they convey "women", not girls (Revy in Black Lagoon, or Faye in Cowboy Bebop). That's why, say, Aria is a much cooler Asari in my book. Or even Liara's "dad".
No. Especially since not everyone will have LotSB.Speaking of which, it would have helped a ton if they indicated she is with Feron, if Shep doesn't romance her. That'd give people peace of mind, instead of being left with lingering thought that Liara is just obsessed and singleminded about Shepard. A non romanced Liara needs something else in her life. She's not a good character outside the romance.. Not a good character on her own.
That's how human brains might tend to work, yes. Asari don't have them.The thing with shy bookworm types is they're usually very cerebral/brainy, or come off like smartass cynics (think Zoey Deschanel or Janeane Garafolo). They're not so touchy feely and affectionate. She claims to not know about socializing and people, but she's a very adept at tapping into emotions and digging into emotional content. She does't want to talk about anything else but people and social stuff. She also acts entitled to people's emotions ("don't tell me what you tell your crew" blah blah blah). Like she deserves this information more than others. In Jungian terms, she's a Feeler. Not a Thinker. Real Thinkers tend to frustrate people with how little they do this. Whether they're Academics or Mechanics or Nerds... they tend to ****** people off about this. They don't bring up emotional stuff enough for friends and such. She's a "Fe" (Extroverted Feeler) especially. As far as "studying" goes, she's more like a sweet substitute teacher that all the elementary kids love. Not the brainy academic. To me, there's no consistency with what she says about herself and what she does. It's just another case of making her a little of everything at once.
And of course a woman cannot have anything in her life other than a manit would have helped a ton if they indicated she is with Feron, [...] A non romanced Liara needs something else in her life
Yes, not finding criminals and petty gang-/warlords attractive is totally immature.That's why, say, Aria is a much cooler Asari in my book.
Yes, we can't allow anyone who isn't a walking stereotype.The thing with shy bookworm types is they're usually very cerebral/brainy, or come off like smartass cynics (think Zoey Deschanel or Janeane Garafolo). They're not so touchy feely and affectionate.
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 15 novembre 2013 - 02:02 .
I've read that somewhere between two and three percent of the population is homosexual, but nearly forty percent of relationships portrayed on television are as well. Now, so long as it's consensual, doesn't involve kids, and they don't feel compelled to get in my face about it, I generally don't care what people's orientation is. Like religion or politics. Honest question, though - how much mass media portrayal is enough?AlexMBrennan wrote...
And of course a woman cannot have anything in her life other than a manit would have helped a ton if they indicated she is with Feron, [...] A non romanced Liara needs something else in her life
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 02:23 .
Well, enough to not have every single lesbian relationship in Bioware games (except maybe Hawke's) go bad in some way would be nice.DeinonSlayer wrote...
I've read that somewhere between two and three percent of the population is homosexual, but nearly forty percent of relationships portrayed on television are as well. Now, so long as it's consensual, doesn't involve kids, and they don't feel compelled to get in my face about it, I generally don't care what people's orientation is. Like religion or politics. Honest question, though - how much mass media portrayal is enough?AlexMBrennan wrote...
And of course a woman cannot have anything in her life other than a manit would have helped a ton if they indicated she is with Feron, [...] A non romanced Liara needs something else in her life
Modifié par Daemul, 15 novembre 2013 - 02:28 .
I'll pretend to be him if you want.Daemul wrote...
I have spent so long lurking this forum, waiting for the day that I could get decent broadband so that I could connect my Xbox to the internet and register my game to get the opportunity to have a conversation with the legendary David and his equally famous heroism, but he get's himself banned before I even get my chance.
FML
AlexMBrennan wrote...
And of course a woman cannot have anything in her life other than a manit would have helped a ton if they indicated she is with Feron, [...] A non romanced Liara needs something else in her life
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Yes, not finding criminals and petty gang-/warlords attractive is totally immature.That's why, say, Aria is a much cooler Asari in my book.
Modifié par RatThing, 15 novembre 2013 - 02:40 .
Xilizhra wrote...
I'll pretend to be him if you want.Daemul wrote...
I have spent so long lurking this forum, waiting for the day that I could get decent broadband so that I could connect my Xbox to the internet and register my game to get the opportunity to have a conversation with the legendary David and his equally famous heroism, but he get's himself banned before I even get my chance.
FML
Xilizhra wrote...
I'll pretend to be him if you want.Daemul wrote...
I have spent so long lurking this forum, waiting for the day that I could get decent broadband so that I could connect my Xbox to the internet and register my game to get the opportunity to have a conversation with the legendary David and his equally famous heroism, but he get's himself banned before I even get my chance.
FML
It'd be a change from dealing with the Liara Hate Brigade.dreamgazer wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I'll pretend to be him if you want.Daemul wrote...
I have spent so long lurking this forum, waiting for the day that I could get decent broadband so that I could connect my Xbox to the internet and register my game to get the opportunity to have a conversation with the legendary David and his equally famous heroism, but he get's himself banned before I even get my chance.
FML
That's not creepy at all.
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Xilizhra wrote...
I'll pretend to be him if you want.Daemul wrote...
I have spent so long lurking this forum, waiting for the day that I could get decent broadband so that I could connect my Xbox to the internet and register my game to get the opportunity to have a conversation with the legendary David and his equally famous heroism, but he get's himself banned before I even get my chance.
FML
Jacob cheats, Thane dies, how have the lesbian relationships gone bad? Sounds like a legitimate quality versus quantity issue to me. Others have complained that FemShep has only two straight romances that work out versus something like five lesbian romances.Xilizhra wrote...
Well, enough to not have every single lesbian relationship in Bioware games (except maybe Hawke's) go bad in some way would be nice.DeinonSlayer wrote...
I've read that somewhere between two and three percent of the population is homosexual, but nearly forty percent of relationships portrayed on television are as well. Now, so long as it's consensual, doesn't involve kids, and they don't feel compelled to get in my face about it, I generally don't care what people's orientation is. Like religion or politics. Honest question, though - how much mass media portrayal is enough?AlexMBrennan wrote...
And of course a woman cannot have anything in her life other than a manit would have helped a ton if they indicated she is with Feron, [...] A non romanced Liara needs something else in her life
Bit hostile, aren't we? As I said, I don't have a problem with it, but it's noticeable when the market is being aggressively saturated with it. I guess it's politically incorrect to say anything.Also, "enough" is "however much people desire," and I'm damned sure that the proportions of people with exciting dramatic lives on television are much more warped in comparison to those who watch it. I truly hope you don't think you're being oppressed on this matter.
Not really. David leads the Liara Defense Force.Xilizhra wrote...
It'd be a change from dealing with the Liara Hate Brigade.dreamgazer wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I'll pretend to be him if you want.Daemul wrote...
I have spent so long lurking this forum, waiting for the day that I could get decent broadband so that I could connect my Xbox to the internet and register my game to get the opportunity to have a conversation with the legendary David and his equally famous heroism, but he get's himself banned before I even get my chance.
FML
That's not creepy at all.
Modifié par David7204, 15 novembre 2013 - 03:12 .
Firstly, I mean all background relationships in both DA and ME, not just player ones. Second, the Warden explicitly vanishes without Leliana, and Shepard's either dead or in some kind of limbo. And third, "five lesbian romances?" Not only are there three at maximum, one goes nowhere in ME3 and isn't even acknowledged on Citadel, and another isn't a squadmate and has less content.Jacob cheats, Thane dies, how have the lesbian relationships gone bad? Sounds like a legitimate quality versus quantity issue to me. Others have complained that FemShep has only two straight romances that work out versus something like five lesbian romances.
It's not more aggressively saturated than heterosexual relationships.Bit hostile, aren't we? As I said, I don't have a problem with it, but it's noticeable when the market is being aggressively saturated with it. I guess it's politically incorrect to say anything.
It only needs to contribute as much as any straight romance would.If it contributes to the story in a meaningful way, by all means include it - but writers shouldn't be compelled to fill a checkbox on a list to avoid unseemly accusations of bigotry.
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 novembre 2013 - 03:24 .
1. No, it's not. the PC is often inexpeienced, not random party members. Even then, we aren't thrown head first into battle. We'll always have some type of prior knowledge first.David7204 wrote...
Allow me to clear the air.
The archetype of the inexperienced companion is a an utter staple of fiction. A staple. And the fact that so many people are gleefully eager to try and portray that staple as some sort of fault should make clear how silly their arguments really are and how desperate they are for weapons against a character they dislike. (Dislike which in reality has little to do with the merit of the character in the first place and far more to do with a clumsy illusion of defience towards the writers.)
Br3ad wrote...
No, it's not. the PC is often inexpeienced, not random party members.
Literally no one on that list except Liara is not trained. Hell, Mission live on the streets and Merrill in the wilds, being trained.Barquiel wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
No, it's not. the PC is often inexpeienced, not random party members.
That's sheer nonsense. Skie, Imoen, Aerie, Nalia, Mission Vao, Merrill, Liara, Tali,...
It's a trope, not a requirement, and "completely" isn't part of it. In "Gravity," Sandra Bullock's character was inexperienced with space walks, not completely untrained.David7204 wrote...
Completely untrained characters entering an adventure is an absolute staple of fiction.
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