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[Xilizhra]

The problem is that Liara's background was insufficiently explored, not that she lacked training. She clearly has training, otherwise she wouldn't be able to wear armor/shoot/biotically crush people as well as she does.

[David7204]

Liara can do those things because Shepard trained her.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

Liara can do those things because Shepard trained her.

In what, the travel time between Therum and the next mission? A ridiculous suggestion. That's not even enough time for a cheesy 80's montage sequence.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:06 .

[David7204]

A very credible suggestion. Evidence in ME 2 clearly points to ME 1 taking months.

[Barquiel]

Soldier Shepard can't train Liara to form a singularity or put someone into stasis (in actuality, it would be quite interesting if Liara actually teaches Adept Shepard Singularity). These are advanded biotic skills (Kaidan has only basic biotic skills for example) which usually require years to master...and only the most powerful biotics can accomplish them.

Liara is a trained biotic when we meet her on Therum. But she doesn't have any special weapon/armor trainig...and her skillset in ME1 reflects this. She has Throw, Warp, Lift, Singularity, Barrier, Stasis, Electronics and First Aid.

Modifié par Barquiel, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:06 .

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

The problem is that Liara's background was insufficiently explored, not that she lacked training. She clearly has training, otherwise she wouldn't be able to wear armor/shoot/biotically crush people as well as she does.

Elevator conversations in ME1 points to Liara sometimes having to fight off pirates and such on her digs

[David7204]

I would remove any evidence pointing to that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

A very credible suggestion. Evidence in ME 2 clearly points to ME 1 taking months.

What evidence? 

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

I would remove any evidence pointing to that.

You'd be making the problem worse, not better.

I seem to recall this discussion before... eventually Massively will start posting his pictures again and you'll slink off... then there was something about cots...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:20 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

I would remove any evidence pointing to that.

Good grief, why? 

[David7204]

I would probably try to add in dialogue and scenes of Shepard explicitly training Liara. That might be somewhat tricky, since I wouldn't want too much focus put on a single squadmate. Besides, the other squadmates should be improving under Shepard as well.

[Daemul]

Barquiel wrote...

Soldier Shepard can't train Liara to form a singularity or put someone into stasis (in actuality, it would be quite interesting if Liara actually teaches Adept Shepard Singularity). These are advanded biotic skills (Kaidan has only basic biotic skills for example) which usually require years to master...and only the most powerful biotics can accomplish them.

Liara is a trained biotic when we meet her on Therum. But she doesn't have any special weapon/armor trainig...and her skillset in ME1 reflects this. She has Throw, Warp, Lift, Singularity, Barrier, Stasis, Electronics and First Aid.

I don't think Singularity is that advanced, Jack's students use it alot during the Grissom Academy mission and they're teenagers. 

Modifié par Daemul, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:24 .

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would remove any evidence pointing to that.

Good grief, why? 

Because her characterization is better as someone with no prior experience.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Liara's dialogue with Benezia was just badly implemented because they failed to make her a mandatory companion during that mission, hence couldn't flesh it out as much as it should have been. Her calmness after killing Nyxeris, who was nothing more than a Shadow Broker assassin, makes perfect sense.

 You are ****ing kidding me. I'll address Nyxeris first.

* Regardless if Nyxeris was a Shadow Broker assassin, this was done in her office.
* Nyxeris did not attack her. Nyxeris was simply observing her movements for Vasir.
* She called Nyxeris into her office then murdered her in cold blood. 
* She disposed of the body, and cleaned her office.
* She was not the least bit concerned about the police even though you heard a scuffle over your communicator.
* She didn't even broke a sweat. Just ... "If Nyxeris wanted to kill me, I never would have seen it coming. I'm going back to my apartment. Feel free to use my terminal." - get your fingerprints and DNA all over the crime scene.
* In any court of law, if the police found the body she would be convicted of premeditated murder.
* This screamed Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Mother's death especially if she was there.

* She has virtually no reaction other than a single "Mother!"
* Then it is back to business as usual.

She is not that good of an information broker, either. Yes, they took a portion of her lines in ME3 away and gave them to Samantha.

The only team members we have who are not cold blooded killers: Kaidan, Ashley, Vega, Javik, Tali, EDI, and Kasumi. Yes, Javik. We never saw him kill in cold blood.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would remove any evidence pointing to that.

Good grief, why? 

Because her characterization is better as someone with no prior experience.

It removes any semblance of credibility whatsoever from the notion that she's capable of functioning with such a squad. No matter how potent you think Shepard's Hero Juice is.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:26 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...
Because her characterization is better as someone with no prior experience.

More contrived more like, least in my view.

[The Night Mammoth]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would remove any evidence pointing to that.

Good grief, why? 

Because her characterization is better as someone with no prior experience.

Her characterisation makes no sense if she has no prior experience.

[David7204]

That's what Shepard training her is for.

[Barquiel]

Daemul wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Soldier Shepard can't train Liara to form a singularity or put someone into stasis (in actuality, it would be quite interesting if Liara actually teaches Adept Shepard Singularity). These are advanded biotic skills (Kaidan has only basic biotic skills for example) which usually require years to master...and only the most powerful biotics can accomplish them.

Liara is a trained biotic when we meet her on Therum. But she doesn't have any special weapon/armor trainig...and her skillset in ME1 reflects this. She has Throw, Warp, Lift, Singularity, Barrier, Stasis, Electronics and First Aid.

I don't think Singularity is that advanced, Jack's students use it alot during the Grissom Academy mission and they're teenagers. 

It was mentioned in one of the novels that singularity is among the most advanced of all biotic techniques, but you're right about Jack's students (but they're supposed to be the best and brightest students).

[Daemul]

Where did this idea that Shepard trained Liara come from?

[dreamgazer]

Is there any shred or speckle of evidence that suggests Shepard, in any way, trained Liara?

[David7204]

Logic.

It's the most sensible explanation. Liara doesn't appear to have any experience in combat. Yet she succeeds in combat. The most reasonable assumption is that Shepard trained her.

[AresKeith]

How was your ban David?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I would probably try to add in dialogue and scenes of Shepard explicitly training Liara. That might be somewhat tricky, since I wouldn't want too much focus put on a single squadmate. Besides, the other squadmates should be improving under Shepard as well.

They should already be at the top of their game if they're going to be on this mission.

If they're not, they have no place on the battlefield.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Logic.

It's the most sensible explanation. Liara doesn't appear to have any experience in combat. Yet she succeeds in combat. The most reasonable assumption is that Shepard trained her.

That's not very logical. That's your sensible explanation. Not mine.

Not to mention, it's purely headcanon.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 15 novembre 2013 - 05:34 .