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[Sebby]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Chobot and the Catalyst are entirly on ME3 by itself.

And Cerberus sith empire.

Most everything else is directly or indirectly caused by ME2.

[Sebby]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

BTW, BioWare shouldn't rush ME4, which was ME3's mistake.

More time would not have fixed ME3's issues.

While generally true, they prolly could have done a few things slightly better like giving Morinth a role in the monastary mission(she had a larger role in the leaked script IIRC).

[SwobyJ]

Han Shot First wrote...

Stakrin wrote...

Really hope it's a sequel.

Unfortunately 'not a sequel' is already confirmed.

Mac Walters stated in an interview that the next game will have no connection to the 'Shepard events.' That would be an impossibility for a sequel, so it means the next game is either a prequel, alternate universe, or set in the same continuity but in a previously unexplored region of the Mass Effect universe.

"Shepard events" and "Shepard incident" are interesting terms for him to use.

[Stakrin]

Han Shot First wrote...

Stakrin wrote...

Really hope it's a sequel.

Unfortunately 'not a sequel' is already confirmed.

Mac Walters stated in an interview that the next game will have no connection to the 'Shepard events.' That would be an impossibility for a sequel, so it means the next game is either a prequel, alternate universe, or set in the same continuity but in a previously unexplored region of the Mass Effect universe.

it could happen a few decades later, or something. To me, even if Shepard is never mentioned at all, showing the future if the galaxy, how everybody rose back up from the reapers (even if it never says the word reapers) we could see where everyone ended up 70 years later) is enough of a sequel, as that is what ME was about to me anyway. 

[Stakrin]

AresKeith wrote...

AsheraII wrote...

Don't worry, with ME4, people will yell how it s*cks and that ME3 was the best ever.
Same happened during ME2, everybody complained how ME2 didn't have any story and was just about assembling a crew, and how they missed the MAKO.
Next with ME3, people yelled how ME2 was the best, that ME2 had terrible graphics and that the MAKO was undrivable.

So yeah, the same thing will happen again with ME4: ME3 will have been the best, ME2 had lousy graphics and no story, ME1 had even worse graphics and an uncontrollable vehicle.

The same people who didn't like ME2 still don't like ME2

lol. 
I am excited for MEnot4, because to me 3>2>1, but I haven't liked a prequel yet, save DMC3, which I played before the others.9

[Sebby]

Sounds like Walters and BW are trying to keep the whining from the ending crybabies to a minimum by keeping things vague with the sequel.

[Argentoid]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

ME2 is the worst game in the series by far, especially when you notice every issue with ME3 is because of it.

I noticed every issue in ME3. I blame all the issue in ME3 on ME3. 

I noticed every ME issue because of ME2. No plot, stupid daddy issues, the stupid Terminator, stupid Harbinger rants, stupid Cerberus retcon, stupid Project Lazarus, Shepard being a brick (wakes up after 2 years being dead): "OLLOLOL THIS PISTOL DOESN'T HAVE A THERMAL CLIP!!!"

Your Miranda fanboyism is probably the only reason why you love ME2 so much.
Heh, I can picture you playing ME3 "Y BIOWERE?! Y U NO HAB MOAR MIRANDA STUFF!!!11 LE ENDING SUCKZ LELLELELELELEL"

Modifié par Argentoid, 11 novembre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Argentoid]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

BTW, BioWare shouldn't rush ME4, which was ME3's mistake.

More time would not have fixed ME3's issues.

You should probably read The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3. Most of the stuff they wrote was written under lots of pressure.

For example, they left an incredible scene for those who had a "Shepard dies" playthrough in ME2, where Joker was to be standing in front of Shep's grave on Earth while the Reapers were arriving.

Later, they explain it was cut due to lack of time. Same with Omega. And last, but not least, the ending was clearly rushed.

Modifié par Argentoid, 11 novembre 2013 - 12:36 .

[wolfhowwl]

Bioware's lack of planning caught up with them and they were left scrambling to the end.

And the precise details of that ending were apparently up in the air right through to the end of the game's development. In "The Final Days of Mass Effect 3" iPad app, journalist Geoff Keighley discusses how Hudson and writer Mac Walters were debating the final bits of end game dialogue "right up until the end of 2011," even delaying Martin Sheen's Illusive Man voice recording session from August to mid-November to give more writing time.

The original release date was November 2011.

http://arstechnica.c...tinues-to-grow/

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 11 novembre 2013 - 12:49 .

[Sebby]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Their lack of planning caught up with them.

And lack of talent.

[KaiserShep]

Seboist wrote...

ME3 is a better game than 2 by far. That's when the series finally started to resemble a decent TPS.

And the Mako itself was fine, it's the uncharted worlds that sucked.

I agree. Aside from the [superior] gameplay, ME3 actually had stronger storytelling elements. Despite enjoying ME2, it suffers more over time by feeling thin and loosely constructed in its Collector story, focusing more on its episodic feel and character focus at the expense of the reaper plot.

I love the Mako, but I certainly didn't love the planets we land on. Sniping enemies with the canon did make up for it a bit though. I wonder how the PS3's controls differ from the XBox and PC's, because I've never seen it as problematic myself. Nothing of value was lost when the reapers destroyed the Hammerhead.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

ME2 is the worst game in the series by far, especially when you notice every issue with ME3 is because of it.

I noticed every issue in ME3. I blame all the issue in ME3 on ME3. 

Some major issues can still be traced back to ME2, though. ME2 essentially did to ME1 what ME3, to some degree, did to ME2 in terms of its cast of characters, but in the latter case, this was caused by the previous game's decision threads. Shepard is thrown into a mix that is almost completely new, but then with the suicide mission, allows us to toss most of them out, necessitating substitutes and dopplegangers. The biggest one, however, and I've mentioned this a few times elsewhere, is the Collector base decision. That alone ensures that ME2 can have no major plot point to drive the reaper story forward, because it's two totally different states in the game's ending. This leaves ME3 with the task of developing a resolution for an enemy that has been, up until this point, grossly overpowered. In a trilogy that's not really a good way to approach the story, because there should have been some buildup to the resolution in 2, but it just never came. Not even Arrival helped. If anything, I think Arrival actually hurt the story more.

I might be in the minority here, but I feel that despite all of these troublesome variables in the story's interactive component, ME3 was an admirable effort to juggle most of it. Granted, stuff like autodialogue, some issues with player agency and the sort are not things I'd include as part of any problem caused by the previous game.

I suppose it's not fair that a big thing that's factoring into this is the existence of ME3's DLC's, which I have all of.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 novembre 2013 - 01:06 .

[Deverz]

Early 2014 sound implausible.

I've never even heard of this site. Not getting my hopes up just based on this.

[Linkenski]

Argentoid wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

ME2 is the worst game in the series by far, especially when you notice every issue with ME3 is because of it.

I noticed every issue in ME3. I blame all the issue in ME3 on ME3. 

I noticed every ME issue because of ME2. No plot, stupid daddy issues, the stupid Terminator, stupid Harbinger rants, stupid Cerberus retcon, stupid Project Lazarus, Shepard being a brick (wakes up after 2 years being dead): "OLLOLOL THIS PISTOL DOESN'T HAVE A THERMAL CLIP!!!"

Your Miranda fanboyism is probably the only reason why you love ME2 so much.
Heh, I can picture you playing ME3 "Y BIOWERE?! Y U NO HAB MOAR MIRANDA STUFF!!!11 LE ENDING SUCKZ LELLELELELELEL"

I could swear a lot of what you said here are almost carbon-copy Smudboy quotes.

I noticed every issue with ME3 from the get-go with the inconsistent characterizations (Shepard wtf, why R U dudebro?! Anderson, why R U also dudebro in your speaking manner!?!? Where are my dialogue choices? Where are the 'good' sidequests!?)
Then I learned all of the ME Trilogy issues because I went to this forum :-P
I almost liked the ending until I realised that it was just BS. I did notice it violate the main theme of ME3 at the 11th hour but I didn't think much of the lack of closure and so forth. I just hated the explanation behind the Reapers but I actually liked Synthesis until I read stuff in here and realised it was non-sense.

[SNascimento]

I just wanted to state a fact here: ME2 is not only the best Mass Effect game but it's also the best game Bioware has ever done.

Modifié par SNascimento, 11 novembre 2013 - 01:00 .

[Made Nightwing]

SNascimento wrote...

I just wanted to state a fact here: ME2 is not only the best Mass Effect game but it's the best game Bioware has ever done.

Mrs. Cooper: Yes. And that's your opinion.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 11 novembre 2013 - 01:01 .

[Linkenski]

SNascimento wrote...

I just wanted to state a fact here: ME2 is not only the best Mass Effect game but it's also the best game Bioware has ever done.

I wholeheartedly agree but I haven't played any Bioware game made before Mass Effect 1 TBH so I'm unfair.

[Sebby]

SNascimento wrote...

I just wanted to state a fact here: ME2 is not only the best Mass Effect game but it's also the best game Bioware has ever done.

That would be sad if it was true(which it isn't).

Modifié par Seboist, 11 novembre 2013 - 01:03 .