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[Bhatair]

I'm trying to piece together a  full ME1-3 playthrough where by the end of the 3 every squadmember who can be dead is dead, but I want to also try and do as many things as possible. (like loyalty missions in ME2.)

So my main question is this: Which characters can be killed and how in ME3? I know that Mordin and Wrex can both die pretty dramatically in the Tutchanka questline, Thane is killed by whats-his-face-space-ninja, Samara shoots herself and you can shoot the Virmire survivor. But there are some others I'm not sure about.

What exactly do you have to do to get Tali to kill herself?
Does Miranda die?
What about Jacob, I've never actually played a save that had him alive for ME3.
Do Kasumi and Zaeed die in 3?
Does Garrus die in 3?
What about Jack, I know that if you don't answer the distress call for the academy she gets turned into a phantom but I want to do that mission, if I do it is there another way she gets killed?
Is there a way Grunt can be killed in 3?

I've only played through ME3 once so my memory is a bit hazy, any info would be well appreciated! Basically I'm trying to figure out which characters would have to be killed off on the suicide mission.

[KaiserShep]

Tali's death requires the extinction of the quarians, so you have to choose the geth on Rannoch, and she'll do the rest.

Miranda will die if you aren't prompt to meet her on the Citadel and if you don't read the dossier Anderson can send you on Kai Leng, which is necessary to warn her about him.

Zaeed requires that he not be loyal in ME2.

Garrus can only die in low EMS like Liara and James.

If you do Grissom, Jack lives no matter what you do.

Grunt, I believe, also requires that he not be loyal in ME2.

I can't remember if Kasumi can survive ME2 disloyal, so I was certain that if you do the Jondam Bau quest, she also lives no matter what if you do it.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 novembre 2013 - 06:50 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Garrus doesn't die in 3 except in a low-EMS beam run. You'll have to do a LOT of finagling to get a low-EMS beam run, meaning you'll want characters like Jacob dead going into ME3 to keep them from becoming war assets. You'll want to blow up the heretics if you intend to come out of the Rannoch arc with low assets if you intend to side with the Geth - skip both side missions in that arc. Skip every side mission you can, or your EMS will be too high. Lose Thane, Grunt, and Kasumi in the suicide mission, then save the Rachni Breeder after killing the original queen in ME1. Don't save Kirrahe in ME1. Save Wrex, and sabotage the cure. Could go on and on, but you get the picture.

If you just want to kill everyone, you can save time and simply shoot Starjar in the face.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Lavaeolus]

If Kasumi is disloyal in ME3, after the explosion in which Kasumi usually fakes her death, she will not decloak and talk to Shepard. Meaning 1) she just doesn't like you enough to come out, or 2) she actually does die if disloyal.

I haven't played the mission with a disloyal Kasumi, so I don't know exactly how it's presented.

[DeinonSlayer]

Mr Maniac wrote...

If Kasumi is disloyal in ME3, after the explosion in which Kasumi usually fakes her death, she will not decloak and talk to Shepard. Meaning 1) she just doesn't like you enough to come out, or 2) she actually does die if disloyal.

I haven't played the mission with a disloyal Kasumi, so I don't know exactly how it's presented.

Yeah, but if Kasumi is alive at all in ME3, Kahje is saved. If you're trying to minimize EMS, she has to have died in ME2.

I admit, I don't really see the fun in a playthrough where you try to pare your squad down to just James, EDI, and Liara. My own FailShep was based on the likeness and personality of Jayne Cobb. He screwed things up, but he wasn't intentionally trying to, and he didn't screw up everything. 'Cept that last part, shooting Starjar.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:04 .

[Deathsaurer]

You'll want to kill Garrus in 2 so you can get Liara and James killed on the beam run. You need low EMS for this though. Get Javak to look at the shard and he kills himself after the game or you can not recruit him and that's that. Pick destroy so EDI dies. Let the Geth kill the Quarians and Tali will commit suicide. Jack you can just wait to do Grissom Academy and she will get turned into a Phantom which you get to kill. Everyone else pretty much gets screwed if they aren't loyal. Do it right and everyone dies.

[themikefest]

Bhatair wrote...
What exactly do you have to do to get Tali to kill herself?
Does Miranda die?
What about Jacob, I've never actually played a save that had him alive for ME3.
Do Kasumi and Zaeed die in 3?
Does Garrus die in 3?
What about Jack, I know that if you don't answer the distress call for the academy she gets turned into a phantom but I want to do that mission, if I do it is there another way she gets killed?
Is there a way Grunt can be killed in 3?

I've only played through ME3 once so my memory is a bit hazy, any info would be well appreciated! Basically I'm trying to figure out which characters would have to be killed off on the suicide mission.

choose the geth over the Quarians.

Miranda dies if you don't tell her about Kai Leng or you don't give her access to files when you meet her the third time. She also can die if you break-up with her if you romance her

Jacob lives whether hes loyal or not. If you don't rescue the Cerberus scientists his name is on the memorial wall after you finish Cronos.

Zaeed and Kasumi die if non-loyal.

Jack can die on the suicide mission loyal or not. And as you stated is killed as a phantom on Chronos if you don't do Grissom

Grunt will die if not loyal  His name is on the memorial wall after Chrono if you don't deal with the Rachni if hes loyal or not

Garrus can only die with low ems(below 1900) on the beam run

I did a playthrough similiar to what you are wanting to do.

ME1
Kaidan is killed on Virmire

ME2
Jacob killed doing vent
Garrus and Kasumi die fighting the human reaper
Grunt dies as 2nd fire team leader
no one is sent back to escort the crew so they all die

After the suicide mission I recruit Zaeed just to have him die at the end(choose to save the workers for this to happen)

The rest are all loyal and going to ME3

ME3
killed Mordin
shot Ashley protecting Udina
Thane gets stabbed
Samara kills herself
I choose the geth over the Quarians causing Tali to commit suicide and Legion is dead for uploading the code
Kill Wrex on the Citadel
Miranda dies since I didn't tell her about Kai Leng
edi gets fried when I choose destroy

I had 49 names on the wall(Anderson in the middle) Zaeed and Kasumi were dead but their names were not on the wall for a total of 51 dead

I did the same playthrough again with low ems
James and Liara were killed by Harbinger and femshep is dead
This gave me 54 dead with 4 names not shown on the wall

Modifié par themikefest, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Basically if you have "Stolen Memories" don't do it in ME2 and send her through the tube. Make no ship upgrades. But you really should do Zaeed's mission and have his loyalty so Shepard survives.

You've really got to try hard to get Liara and Garrus killed. I used male shep for my fail Shepard, and Shepard fought for freedom his and everyone's. lol.

[Obadiah]

OP, something else you can try is to fail the Miranda/Jack and Tali/Legion conversation checks before the suicide mission, then try to strategically place them to die in the Suicide Mission. I did this was Legion and Tali on my last playthrough because  I like the loyalty missions, but wanted to see how ME3 developed without them.

Modifié par Obadiah, 10 novembre 2013 - 08:32 .

[Nero Narmeril]

About Miranda, I'm pretty sure Shepard will always tell her about Leng, no matter you read Anderson's e-mail or not.

[Han Shot First]

KaiserShep wrote...


Miranda will die if you aren't prompt to meet her on the Citadel and if you don't read the dossier Anderson can send you on Kai Leng, which is necessary to warn her about him.

Miranda will also die if she is romanced in Mass Effect 2 but dumped in Mass Effect 3 for either Liara or Ashley, even if Shepard warns her about Kai Leng.

@The OP

One problem you'll face is that Javik, James, and Liara can only be killed on the beam run. As you can only take two characters with you this will leave a survivor. My suggestion would be having Javik interact with the Echo Shard. You won't actually see him die in game, but he tells Shepard that when the Reapers are finished he will go to the graves of his men, and take his own life. If you go that route than you can take Liara and James on the beam run where they will die if you have Low EMS, and while Javik will survive the game, he takes his life immediately after.

You'll also have to go Destroy so that EDI will die.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 10 novembre 2013 - 08:39 .

[KaiserShep]

I really wish that the breakup thing didn't determine her fate like that. There should've been a change in the tone of their conversation, but a character like Miranda dying because she got dumped? Humbug I say.

[DeinonSlayer]

JayneShep did the following:

ME1:
Saved Wrex. Lost Kirrahe. Killed the Rachni Queen. Abandoned the Council. Romanced Ashley.

ME2:
Recruited Morinth. Sold Legion. Never went to Tuchanka (didn't do Mordin or Grunt's loyalty missions), but all other squadmates were loyal. Romanced Kelly and Miranda. Didn't install any ship upgrades (lost Kasumi, Jack, and Thane). Sent Jacob through the tubes at his request. Chose Miranda as biotic specialist, lost Mordin as a result.

ME3:
Broke up with Miranda to try to patch things up with Ashley. Garrus shot Ashley at the Coup (with both Thane and Kirrahe gone and replacement councilors, unavoidable), RP'd he was angry at Garrus (ignored him). Didn't think to warn Kelly to change her identity. Shot Wiks, later shot Wrex when he attacked. Shot Balak. Saved Aralakh Company, but lost Grunt in the process. Shot the Geth VI. Lost Miranda on Horizon. Shot the brat.

I really hadn't planned on everyone he romanced dying. Unexpectedly tragic playthrough in that regard.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 novembre 2013 - 08:50 .

[Han Shot First]

KaiserShep wrote...

I really wish that the breakup thing didn't determine her fate like that. There should've been a change in the tone of their conversation, but a character like Miranda dying because she got dumped? Humbug I say.

Yeah, that was quite silly.

I would have rather that mission was on a timer, and whether or not Miranda lived both depended on whether she was warned and whether Shepard could get to her quick enough.

[WNxPowder]

my advice would be to save all the squadmates that could die, soo you can choose
In ME2 its possible to botch the loyalties of Tali,Zaeed(can still survive SM),Samarra,and Thane (which all can die in ME3)
So save Mordin and Legion for their Loyalty missions which play huge parts in me3.

what is your desired ending/romance?

[Bhatair]

themikefest wrote...

choose the geth over the Quarians.

Miranda dies if you don't tell her about Kai Leng or you don't give her access to files when you meet her the third time. She also can die if you break-up with her if you romance her

Jacob lives whether hes loyal or not. If you don't rescue the Cerberus scientists his name is on the memorial wall after you finish Cronos.

Zaeed and Kasumi die if non-loyal.

Jack can die on the suicide mission loyal or not. And as you stated is killed as a phantom on Chronos if you don't do Grissom

Grunt will die if not loyal  His name is on the memorial wall after Chrono if you don't deal with the Rachni if hes loyal or not

Garrus can only die with low ems(below 1900) on the beam run

I did a playthrough similiar to what you are wanting to do.

ME1
Kaidan is killed on Virmire

ME2
Jacob killed doing vent
Garrus and Kasumi die fighting the human reaper
Grunt dies as 2nd fire team leader
no one is sent back to escort the crew so they all die

After the suicide mission I recruit Zaeed just to have him die at the end(choose to save the workers for this to happen)

The rest are all loyal and going to ME3

ME3
killed Mordin
shot Ashley protecting Udina
Thane gets stabbed
Samara kills herself
I choose the geth over the Quarians causing Tali to commit suicide and Legion is dead for uploading the code
Kill Wrex on the Citadel
Miranda dies since I didn't tell her about Kai Leng
edi gets fried when I choose destroy

I had 49 names on the wall(Anderson in the middle) Zaeed and Kasumi were dead but their names were not on the wall for a total of 51 dead

I did the same playthrough again with low ems
James and Liara were killed by Harbinger and femshep is dead
This gave me 54 dead with 4 names not shown on the wall

Found this immensely helpful. Thanks everyone, I think I have a rough Idea of how I'll get things to progress. I guess I should clarify that I'm not too concerned about getting everyone killed. The two or three that only die with low EMS aren't a big concern.

[wirelesstkd]

You can complete some of the missions in ME2 but still lose loyalty. For example, you can do Tali's mission but then expose her father at the end. She will not forgive you and you will lose her loyalty, which causes her to die in the suicide mission (send her through vents). Then for Miranda and Jack you get to choose sides, and the other one will die. So this way you can kill off two people in ME2 but still complete the loyalty missions.

[wirelesstkd]

You can also choose between Tali and Legion... I wonder if you still get to choose in their fight if you lose her loyalty in her mission. I never tried. But if so, you could actually lose both Tali and Legion's loyalty after completing both of their missions. This could lead to both dying in the suicide mission.