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[Vulpe]

As many might have observed, the lustful Desire Demons from DA are very similar with the concept of the succubus from other fatasy settings and real life beliefs and legends.

What intrigues me is the lack of its male conter part, the incubus. While many of us don't have...aham...any problem with the Desires Demon visual concept there are still people that might have other preferences and those preferences are present in the DA setting as well, in the player characters and other characters. It's very curious that there is no version of the Desire Demon that covers those preferences, considering the variations in which desire might come to different people, be it in DA or real life. 

Due to a cronic case of laziness, I won't start to explain the concept behind the real life legends, so if you are interested here's the info regarding the succubus and the incubus.

So I was thinking they could introduce a new skin for the Desire Demon, more exactly something like this (but without the ridiculous sized blades ) :





Here is a poll I've made where you can express you desire regarding such an implementation. ( Do to the fact that polls are now read-only, you are not able to vote anymore )



So what do you think ? Could they introduce a male version that has the same attacks patterns or a little different pattern ( for variation ) in DA:I or future projects ? Is it to late to even consider a possible implementation of such a thing in DA:I ? And even more important...should they do it ?

Discuss

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 19 novembre 2013 - 09:50 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

It is a question of demographics, and a very little payoff to the amount of effort needed.

[Schneidend]

I believe this gets lampshaded as the desire demon so hauntingly beautiful, both in the physical sense and just being passively enchanting in a magical sense, that neither gender can resist their honeyed words without a show of willpower. Besides that, most of the desire demons we've encountered weren't even offering the carnal stuff to the victims we find them with.

Still, that design is really awesome, and actually fits quite well with the DA concept.

Modifié par Schneidend, 10 novembre 2013 - 08:00 .

[katerinafm]

I've seen a lot of great fanwork for male desire demons. If it's possible, I can't say why not

[Mikoto8472]

Yeah I'd like seeing a male desire demon.

[Hellion Rex]

JulianWellpit wrote...

As many might have observed, the lustful Desire Demon from DA are very similar with the concept of the succubus from other fatasy settings and real life beliefs and legends.

What intrigues me is the lack of its male conter part, the incubus. While many of us don't have...aham...any problem with the Desires Demon visual concept there are still people that might have other preferences and those preferences are present in the DA setting as well, in the player characters and other characters. It's very curious that there is no version of the Desire Demon that covers those preferences, considering the variations in which desire might come to different people, be it in DA or real life. 

Due to a cronic case of laziness, I won't start to explain the concept behind the real life legends, so if you are interested here's the info regarding the succubus and the incubus.

So I was thinking they could introduce a new skin for the Desire Demon, more exactly something like this (but without the ridiculous sized blades ) :





Here is a poll I've made where you can express you desire regarding such an implementation.



So what do you think ? Could they introduce a male version that has the same attacks patterns or a little different pattern ( for variation ) in DA:I or future projects ? Is it to late to even consider a possible implementation of such a thing in DA:I ? And even more important...should they do it ?

Discuss

[Hellion Rex]

I would love to have a male desire demon. The female version does nothing to inspire lust or desire in me at all. You rarely see incubi in any games so I would love to see Bioware implement them.

[Icy Magebane]

I remember seeing this conversation here a long time ago... at some point David Gaider came in and said he would consider doing it just to spite those who didn't want it to happen. Not a direct quote, but he said something to that effect... He was probably kidding though... If they were going to do it, it wouldn't be out of spite.

I don't think it's a bad idea... I wouldn't mind a bit more variety in the demons we see. (Also, that incubus looks BA... and I know this borders on heresy  here, but the JRPG fan in me says keep the arm blades)

Edit... typo...

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 10 novembre 2013 - 08:29 .

[Hellion Rex]

Icy Magebane wrote...

I remember seeing this conversation here a long time ago... at some point David Gaider came in and said he would consider doing it just to spite those who didn't want it to happen. Not a direct quite, but he said something to that effect... He was probably kidding though... If they were going to do it, it wouldn't be out of spite.

I don't think it's a bad idea... I wouldn't mind a bit more variety in the demons we see. (Also, that incubus looks BA)

I just hope to see at least a few new demon types like Despair and some others. And maybe the desire demon gets a whole new revamped look.

[Laughing_Man]

Sure, why not.

[MakutaDax]

I would love to see them implement a male-formed Desire Demon. The incubi have always gotten the short end of the stick versus succubi and that sucks. As for demographics and payoff, I don't really see that as an issue. If you take half of the already planned Desire Demons and give them a male form, basically a slightly altered version of the female skin, then all you're doing is offering players an increased visual variety. There's nothing wrong with that and to say that all Desire Demons should be female because of "hey, boobies!" is really an argument not worth arguing over.

[TribolMan]

Personally I think all demons should have an alternate appearence and the one the OP posted looks really cool, exept for the giant blades

[The Xand]

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost and in a way that's kind of our way of empowering women.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

Modifié par The Xand, 10 novembre 2013 - 10:35 .

[Hellion Rex]

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

Yup.

Pretty hot.

[The Xand]

eluvianix wrote...

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

Yup.

Pretty hot.

I can't stop staring at them. Keep expecting them to do something.

[Hellion Rex]

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

And that might be a stereotype/cultural that we need to break. Why is it ok that for men it is another "notch on the bedpost" but actual rape if it were a woman?

[Hellion Rex]

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

Yup.

Pretty hot.

I can't stop staring at them. Keep expecting them to do something.

They are rather mesmerizing.

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

And that might be a stereotype/cultural that we need to break. Why is it ok that for men it is another "notch on the bedpost" but actual rape if it were a woman?

In another point of view, imagine the implications if Morrigan were male and the only way to save her and Alistair's life was to sleep with him even if she wasn't interested in him.

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

And that might be a stereotype/cultural that we need to break. Why is it ok that for men it is another "notch on the bedpost" but actual rape if it were a woman?

In another point of view, imagine the implications if Morrigan were male and the only way to save her and Alistair's life was to sleep with him even if she wasn't interested in him.

That is another good point. I am just trying to phrase what I am saying in such a way as to not to sound ignorant or offensive to anyone.

[EmperorSahlertz]

MakutaDax wrote...

I would love to see them implement a male-formed Desire Demon. The incubi have always gotten the short end of the stick versus succubi and that sucks. As for demographics and payoff, I don't really see that as an issue. If you take half of the already planned Desire Demons and give them a male form, basically a slightly altered version of the female skin, then all you're doing is offering players an increased visual variety. There's nothing wrong with that and to say that all Desire Demons should be female because of "hey, boobies!" is really an argument not worth arguing over.

You don't "just" add something like that. You'd have to create an entirely new sprite/model/texture/animations for something that isn't going to show up all that often (supposedly).
Of course if Desire Demons are going to be the new Hurlock, and attack us in waves containing multiple Desire Demons, then it would certainly pay off to diversify their appearance. However, if we take DA:O as an example. We meet how many Desire Demons in that game? 7? 8? Not that many. If half of them were to be of male appearance, you would have to do twice the amount of work, for half the payoff. 4 Desire Demon of female appearance, and 4 of male appearance. That is extremely little value for the amount of time spend on concepting the ideas and actually creating the models (again presuming that Desire Demons are not going to be either A: Numerous expendable enemies or B: Major antagonists).
If the Desire Demons are going to maintain the same role of "minor mini-bosses mainly added for encounter difficulty bumbs", then going overboard in their design is highly unprofitable.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 10 novembre 2013 - 10:45 .

[The Xand]

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Xand wrote...

I don't think incubi are ever really included because it's a little offputting to most men having women being seduced by demons. It's basically magical date rape. Fine for guys though because hey, even magical rape is just another notch on the bedpost.

Also did that incubus have nipple tassels?

And that might be a stereotype/cultural that we need to break. Why is it ok that for men it is another "notch on the bedpost" but actual rape if it were a woman?

In another point of view, imagine the implications if Morrigan were male and the only way to save her and Alistair's life was to sleep with him even if she wasn't interested in him.

That is another good point. I am just trying to phrase what I am saying in such a way as to not to sound ignorant or offensive to anyone.

It's a shame it wasn't Flemeth that got to do the seducing. Power is sexy.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MakutaDax wrote...

I would love to see them implement a male-formed Desire Demon. The incubi have always gotten the short end of the stick versus succubi and that sucks. As for demographics and payoff, I don't really see that as an issue. If you take half of the already planned Desire Demons and give them a male form, basically a slightly altered version of the female skin, then all you're doing is offering players an increased visual variety. There's nothing wrong with that and to say that all Desire Demons should be female because of "hey, boobies!" is really an argument not worth arguing over.

You don't "just" add something like that. You'd have to create an entirely new sprite/model/texture/animations for something that isn't going to show up all that often (supposedly).
Of course if Desire Demons are going to be the new Hurlock, and attack us in waves containing multiple Desire Demons, then it would certainly pay off to diversify their appearance. However, if we take DA:O as an example. We meet how many Desire Demons in that game? 7? 8? Not that many. If half of them were to be of male appearance, you would have to do twice the amount of work, for half the payoff. 4 Desire Demon of female appearance, and 4 of male appearance. That is extremely little value for the amount of time spend on concepting the ideas and actually creating the models (again presuming that Desire Demons are not going to be either A: Numerous expendable enemies or B: Major antagonists).
If the Desire Demons are going to maintain the same role of "minor mini-bosses mainly added for encounter difficulty bumbs", then going overboard in their design is highly unprofitable.

How is only "half the payoff" if the models were split half male and half female? Considering that Bioware has not yet implemented that yet, we do not know that there might be a better payoff for changing it up a little bit.

[The Xand]

You know, even if I was a male demon I'd be pretty tempted to swing it as a woman for a bit. The squishy bits of women are endlessly fascinating.

[Hellion Rex]

The Xand wrote...

You know, even if I was a male demon I'd be pretty tempted to swing it as a woman for a bit. The squishy bits of women are endlessly fascinating.

Lets not go there, pretty please.

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MakutaDax wrote...

I would love to see them implement a male-formed Desire Demon. The incubi have always gotten the short end of the stick versus succubi and that sucks. As for demographics and payoff, I don't really see that as an issue. If you take half of the already planned Desire Demons and give them a male form, basically a slightly altered version of the female skin, then all you're doing is offering players an increased visual variety. There's nothing wrong with that and to say that all Desire Demons should be female because of "hey, boobies!" is really an argument not worth arguing over.

You don't "just" add something like that. You'd have to create an entirely new sprite/model/texture/animations for something that isn't going to show up all that often (supposedly).
Of course if Desire Demons are going to be the new Hurlock, and attack us in waves containing multiple Desire Demons, then it would certainly pay off to diversify their appearance. However, if we take DA:O as an example. We meet how many Desire Demons in that game? 7? 8? Not that many. If half of them were to be of male appearance, you would have to do twice the amount of work, for half the payoff. 4 Desire Demon of female appearance, and 4 of male appearance. That is extremely little value for the amount of time spend on concepting the ideas and actually creating the models (again presuming that Desire Demons are not going to be either A: Numerous expendable enemies or B: Major antagonists).
If the Desire Demons are going to maintain the same role of "minor mini-bosses mainly added for encounter difficulty bumbs", then going overboard in their design is highly unprofitable.

How is only "half the payoff" if the models were split half male and half female? Considering that Bioware has not yet implemented that yet, we do not know that there might be a better payoff for changing it up a little bit.

It's more if it's worth the effort since Bioware always has to deal(and have claimed) that once you deal with more resources, is it worth putting more time on one thing over the other.  Such as, 'Is it worth the time to implement sheaths for swords, etc.?'.  Is it worth the time to implement bow strings?  Is it worth the time to implement female dwarves?  I think What Emperor is saying is that it might be worth the payoff if we have them appear more often than they did in previous entries, but doing an entirely new concept for a creature we'll see two times in the games might not be worth the resources and time to put into it.