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[celestial_emperor]

Why would anyone in the Video game/electronic industry want to appear looking like themselves in a Bioware game ever again?

The prospects would seem to be pretty miserable!
Jessica Chobot essentially retired from electronic media temporarily (apparently she's back to doing work on Nerdist as of November 2013) because of the sustained vitrolic assault from fans who decided that it was her fault that they didn't like Diana Allers. (Is it really her fault that the Chobot character was written like that? She didn't write it herself)
Felicia Day's character, Tallis, is routinely lambasted by fans of Dragon Age here on this forum (as well as plenty of attacks on Felica Day herself) because people don't like how she threatened their Hawke, shoehorned herself into the plot. (I feel that's a little unfair because they were trying to get Redemption fans into coming over to Dragon Age II, and that story didn't necessarilly lead to Dragon Age 2, that story was started independently of Bioware and then they tried to mash it together, with mixed success)

My question is, oh forum watching fans, can you give any reason why a woman who's interesting in appearing in the video game industry would want their visage in Inquisition or any future Bioware game?

Modifié par celestial_emperor, 11 novembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Shawn Marrster]

money

[The Xand]

Shawn Marrster wrote...

money

They could probably hire Jennifer Connely at least after what she was paid to do in Requiem For a Dream.

I can't see why actresses/actors wouldn't want to appear. I mean just look how awesome Simon Templeman was. I'd loooove to see Karen Gillan in a Dragon Age game one day, she's a way better redhead than Felicia Day and has a sexier accent.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I don't think any NPC should appear as themselves in an RPG, male or female, unless it's as a small cameo.

Felicia Day as Tallis was slightly different though. She could have been a voice for a character who didn't resemble the real life person, but that became practically impossible after Redemption where Tallis' physical appearance was established. That meant MotA Tallis pretty much had to resemble Redemption Tallis, who of course looks like Day because that's how real life acting tends to work.

It was made somewhat worse by all the marketing pushing Day as Tallis in the DLC, something that's done for no other voice actor.

Suspension of Disbelief is a big thing in games, especially RPGs. It's hard enough for a lot of people to hear a known voice without pairing it to a known face.

[Hugebull]

Yvonne Strahovski were amazing...

Modifié par Hugebull, 11 novembre 2013 - 02:26 .

[The Xand]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I don't think any NPC should appear as themselves in an RPG, male or female, unless it's as a small cameo.

Felicia Day as Tallis was slightly different though. She could have been a voice for a character who didn't resemble the real life person, but that became practically impossible after Redemption where Tallis' physical appearance was established. That meant MotA Tallis pretty much had to resemble Redemption Tallis, who of course looks like Day because that's how real life acting tends to work.

It was made somewhat worse by all the marketing pushing Day as Tallis in the DLC, something that's done for no other voice actor.

Suspension of Disbelief is a big thing in games, especially RPGs. It's hard enough for a lot of people to hear a known voice without pairing it to a known face.

Doesn't hurt that she's not at all hard on the eyes.

They worked Simon Templeman's looks into Loghain as well so she wasn't the first actor to have that done.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Xand wrote...

Doesn't hurt that she's not at all hard on the eyes.

Doesn't hurt what?

So you only want attractive actresses?

They worked Simon Templeman's looks into Loghain as well so she wasn't the first actor to have that done.

That hardly makes it a wise practise.

[Knight of Dane]

I must say that my dislike isn't when there's an actress appearing in a game but when it's advertised like hell. Really breaks my immersion.

[The Xand]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Xand wrote...

Doesn't hurt that she's not at all hard on the eyes.

Doesn't hurt what?

So you only want attractive actresses?

They worked Simon Templeman's looks into Loghain as well so she wasn't the first actor to have that done.

That hardly makes it a wise practise.

If you're going to hire attractive actresses who've founded their careers on being cute, like Felicia Day, you might as well work her best aspects into the game. Waste of money elsewise. Which is probably why they did work in her "quirky" personality and looks. And advertised it. Sex sells, as the old adage goes, and Felicia Day's career proves.

I don't much care what an actress looks like personally so long as they at least sound the part. Flemeth for example has an amazing voice, and whether they cast her as her voice actress actually looks irl or as some sexy vixen or withered old crone it wouldn't have made any real difference.

Teyrn Loghain looking as his actor does was a good move and proves that it's a practice not entirely related to a person's looks. He has the bestest voice in the history of ever too.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 02:40 .

[The Xand]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I must say that my dislike isn't when there's an actress appearing in a game but when it's advertised like hell. Really breaks my immersion.

 

Agreed. 

Though I have to say that I find it in poor taste of the designers and the company to insert real life celebrity faces into a fantasy roleplaying game. There should be some level of integrity. Alas, when companies want to use your gaming experience in order "advertise like hell" they really do not care about integrity. 

Lyriumade. For the mage that's always on the go.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 02:50 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Xand wrote...

If you're going to hire attractive actresses who've founded their careers on being cute, like Felicia Day, you might as well work her best aspects into the game. Waste of money elsewise. Which is probably why they did work in her "quirky" personality and looks. And advertised it. Sex sells, as the old adage goes, and Felicia Day's career proves.

...do you have any idea how insulting it is, both to Felicia Day and to Bioware, to insinuate that they hired her as a voice actor because she has physical sexual appeal? And that it wouldn't be worth hiring her at all unless her NPC resembled her?

Any idea at all?

I don't much care what an actress looks like personally so long as they at least sound the part. Flemeth for example has an amazing voice, and whether they cast her as her voice actress actually looks irl or as some sexy vixen or withered old crone it wouldn't have made any real difference.

But it's a waste of money if the chick is hot and got where she is via hotness but doesn't look hot in the game.

Gotcha.

Teyrn Loghain looking as his actor does was a good move and proves that it's a practice not entirely related to a person's looks.

I have no idea what you were trying to say there.

[TK514]

My dislike for Allers had nothing to do with how the character was written. If I were to stick with just implementation, which is but a small part of my objection to Chobot's inclusion in ME3, it would be because her character was unnecessary, the model was terribly realized with the engine, and her performance as a voice actress was atrocious.

And Chobot was definitely responsible for that last one.

As for Talis, my problems with her have everything to do with the writers, and nothing to do with her implementation. I thought Day's voice acting was fine, and the model was passable, given the art style limitations of DA2.

And as someone mentioned above, Yvonne Strahovski was fantastic as Miranda, so clearly it's not the practice itself that is offensive.

[The Xand]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

...do you have any idea how insulting it is, both to Felicia Day and to Bioware, to insinuate that they hired her as a voice actor because she has physical sexual appeal? And that it wouldn't be worth hiring her at all unless her NPC resembled her?

Any idea at all?

Settle, petal. I'm sorry that common sense offended you so, but that's exactly what Felicia Day's whole spiel is. Cute nerdy chick. Her inclusion into Dragon Age was just a clever ploy to get her legions of drooling fanboys interested in Dragon Age 2. They would have been very disappointed if her character didn't at least look like her.

Here's a screenie I just took of her top search results on Google.



You can extrapolate what her fans are like from that alone.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

But it's a waste of money if the chick is hot and got where she is via hotness but doesn't look hot in the game.

Gotcha.

So by your argument it's just as bad if a voice actress was an uggo but they made her attractive in-game? Hurm.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I have no idea what you were trying to say there.

Allow me to spell it out for you, poppet; you don't need to be a good looking actor to have your likeness integrated into the game.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 03:08 .

[HiroVoid]

TK514 wrote...
And Chobot was definitely responsible for that last one.

That's always detable.  Voice editors or whatever they're called who are in the booth with them are partially responsible for telling them how a performance is supposed to be done and call when it's good enough if I remember correctly, so there's always responsiblity there.

[bclagge]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

...do you have any idea how insulting it is, both to Felicia Day and to Bioware, to insinuate that they hired her as a voice actor because she has physical sexual appeal? And that it wouldn't be worth hiring her at all unless her NPC resembled her?

Any idea at all?

Do you find it more insulting that he would insinuate that, or that it's true?  Do you think it's a coincidence that all the female characters BW has rendered true to life are physically attractive?  Welcome to western culture in the 21st century.

Speaking of insulting, your use of straw man arguments is insulting, and I'm not even the one being argued to.

[Schneidend]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

That hardly makes it a wise practise.

Hardly makes it an unwise practice, either.

[Hippiethecat124]

I like Felicia Day, I really do. She seems like a nice and intelligent girl, and I admire the Redemption project.
HOWEVER.... Even though I realize that Tallis's looks and voice were based on Day, I found the facial model they used for her a little disconcerting, just because she obviously didn't look like any of the other elves in DAII. Other than that, I liked her character, thought she was reasonably interesting, and the overall story was all right. It was mostly just the obsessive marketing and the out-of-place style they had for her face that irked me.
Also, the actors/actresses that do the voice acting don't have to have photorealistic character models to her their moneys. Claudia Black who voices Morrigan and the lady (I can't remember the actress's name, but she plays Gwen Cooper on Torchwood) who voiced Merrill didn't have self-insertation, but their voices are recognizable, and they still get their paycheck at the end of the day.

[MrMrPendragon]

Well not all fans are hateful. Just the immature ones.Maybe those actresses could keep that in mind.
I, for one, didn't mind Diana Allers. I didn't consider her as a major supporting character, but I also didn't consider her a bother. Same goes for Tallis.

[The Xand]

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

Well not all fans are hateful. Just the immature ones.Maybe those actresses could keep that in mind.
I, for one, didn't mind Diana Allers. I didn't consider her as a major supporting character, but I also didn't consider her a bother. Same goes for Tallis.

Couldn't you lamp her one in the face?

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 03:25 .

[CuriousArtemis]

celestial_emperor wrote...

My question is, oh forum watching fans, can you give any reason why a woman who's interesting in appearing in the video game industry would want their visage in Inquisition or any future Bioware game?

If a female actor is prepared for the challenge, then I don't see why she wouldn't do it. Especially if she's excited about the project. Actors are artists after all. They get excited about art and what to participate via their chosen craft.

People, especially people on the internet, are vicious towards women who are in the spotlight (actors, musicians, etc.). A pretty woman is called a you-know-what and is accused of only getting by on her looks. A less attractive woman is called fat, ugly, or stupid. 

Then people make themselves feel better about their own vitriolic responses by claiming that "sex sells" and "that's just how it is" and "you should learn to face reality."

In other news...

There are legitmate reasons to dislike Tallis, and to dislike Felicia Day's execution of the roll or even involvement in the franchise. These reasons can be voiced without insulting Day... but they so rarely are. In fact there's so much hate being spewed towards her that I choose not to voice my only dislike of the character anymore. Luckily, Felicia Day seems like a VERY tough and cool girl, and hopefully is either unaware of the hate or is smartly letting it roll of her back.

[The Xand]

My passive aggressive sense is tingling.

[TK514]

HiroVoid wrote...

TK514 wrote...
And Chobot was definitely responsible for that last one.

That's always detable.  Voice editors or whatever they're called who are in the booth with them are partially responsible for telling them how a performance is supposed to be done and call when it's good enough if I remember correctly, so there's always responsiblity there.

The director.  And I agree, they are there to get the best performance they can from the actor.  Which does not excuse her from delivering a decent performance for them to work with.

[HiroVoid]

celestial_emperor wrote...

There are legitmate reasons to dislike Tallis, and to dislike Felicia Day's execution of the roll or even involvement in the franchise. These reasons can be voiced without insulting Day... but they so rarely are. In fact there's so much hate being spewed towards her that I choose not to voice my only dislike of the character anymore. Luckily, Felicia Day seems like a VERY tough and cool girl, and hopefully is either unaware of the hate or is smartly letting it roll of her back.

As crappy as the insults go, I have seen on this forum anway, much more dislike for Tallis because of not being able to side against the qunari, possible hypocricy in the character, being unable to call her out on these issues, etc. far more than I've seen people saying Tallis was bad because of Felicia Day.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 11 novembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

celestial_emperor wrote...

I've been recieving a lot of hate mail from being an unflinching Tallis supporter, and for the unpopular position that I only bought Dragon Age II to play Tallis.

That's fine and you can get hatorade all over that, but this topic is about a bigger question.

Why would anyone in the Video game/electronic industry want to appear looking like themselves in a Bioware game ever again?

The prospects would seem to be pretty miserable!
Jessica Chobot essentially retired from electronic media because of the nearly endless vitrolic assault from fans who decided that it was her fault that they didn't like Diana Allers. (Is it really her fault that the Chobot character was written like that? She didn't write it herself)
Felicia Day's character, Tallis, is routinely lambasted by fans of Dragon Age here on this forum because people don't like how she threatened their Hawke, shoehorned herself into the plot. (I feel that's a little unfair because they were trying to get Redemption fans into coming over to Dragon Age II, and that story didn't necessarilly lead to Dragon Age 2, that story was started independently of Bioware and then they tried to mash it together, with mixed success)

My question is, oh forum watching fans, can you give any reason why a woman who's interesting in appearing in the video game industry would want their visage in Inquisition or any future Bioware game?

For some people to blame an actor for the writing is utterly stupid.