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[The Xand]

So girls want to look sexy and boys want to look tough. Oh noes. (In response to Plaintiff's post on the previous page, cba quoting so many pics)

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:43 .

[Laughing_Man]

Hmm... Yeah, I feel bad for Jessica Chobot, me thinks she appeared in the wrong game at the wrong time.

I don't remember posting any rants against the Allers character from ME3.
I mean, this character was not particularly interesting, and I didn't really see the point in adding her instead of more meaningful content, but those problems felt very minor at the time considering...

As for Tallis, I didn't even buy MoTA, I only watched someone's playthrough, but I also have to agree that despite the fact that I like Felicia Day well enough, *her character* was irritating.
Does that make me anti-feminist? I guess that it would depend on what you call feminizm.

[sandalisthemaker]

JEEZUS CHRISTMAS PLAINTIFF. NICE FINDS.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:44 .

[The Hierophant]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Yeah they need to hold an intervention for him, but who knows what inanimate object he'll attack next.

I think he'd get along well with a certain Seeker we know.

That's literally a destructive relationship.

I don't even want to imagine what an argument between them will look like. 

[wolfhowwl]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Hmm... Yeah, I feel bad for Jessica Chobot, me thinks she appeared in the wrong game at the wrong time.

I don't remember posting any rants against the Allers character from ME3.
I mean, this character was not particularly interesting, and I didn't really see the point in adding her instead of more meaningful content, but those problems felt very minor at the time considering...

As for Tallis, I didn't even buy MoTA, I only watched someone's playthrough, but I also have to agree that despite the fact that I like Felicia Day well enough, *her character* was irritating.
Does that make me anti-feminist? I guess that it would depend on what you call feminizm.

No. That would make you someone with good taste.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:51 .

[The Xand]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

JEEZUS CHRISTMAS PLAITIFF. NICE FINDS.

Shush, you.

[iOnlySignIn]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Yes, assuming it's for the wrong reasons. But I've heard men unleash hell numerous times on women who don't fit certain standards of attractiveness... for instance, on this very site, Jennifer Hepler.

And yet we've also heard plenty of valid criticism, like "a game without the game part is not a game," against her statements.

Indeed.

The major reason most players (including myself) find her objectionable is because she said she hates video games. It has nothing whatsoever with how she looks or does not look.

Amazing how easy it is to play the sexist card and indiscriminately silence all critics.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Xand wrote...
So girls want to look sexy. Oh noes. (In response to Plaintiff's post on the previous page, cba quoting so many pics)

TL;DR. Plaintiff is upset the guys on video game boxes aren't dressed like the guys on dimestore romance novels.

[AlexanderCousland]

celestial_emperor wrote...



So you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible, judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men) throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:50 .

[The Xand]

FreshIstay wrote...

celestial_emperor wrote...



So you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible, judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men) throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

Isn't that last bit not kind of sexist? I agree though. Women are esp devious.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:52 .

[thats1evildude]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The major reason most players (including myself) find her objectionable is because she said she hates video games. It has nothing whatsoever with how she looks or does not look.

And you're a fool for thinking so, because she never said anything of the kind.

But I'll not dredge up that debate again.

[Star fury]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The major reason most players (including myself) find her objectionable is because she said she hates video games. It has nothing whatsoever with how she looks or does not look.

Amazing how easy it is to play the sexist card and indiscriminately silence all critics.

People had problem with Hepler's writing, dislike of combat in videogames, shoving gay characters everywhere. 

[sandalisthemaker]

FreshIstay wrote...

celestial_emperor wrote...



So you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible, judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men) throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

CUNNING??11?
LMAO

[Plaintiff]

FreshIstay wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

*peeks head in*

Isn't it funny how every female protagonist looking good is sexist, but every male protagonist looking good isn't?

Yeah, no. Many male protagonists would in fact be considered "ugly" by our modern, Western standard of beauty, which, even for men, advocates slim, toned physiques with no body hair.

That's like saying Danny Trejo and Johnny Depp must be regarded as equally attractive because they both star in movies.

No...The real funny part is that Men usually dont take time out to complain about how We, as a whole, are being presented. We don't care how Male protagonists are portrayed, we aren't worried that a Male protagonist might say, do, or wear something that disrespect's Manhood as an entire gender....Why dont we...well...because that's silly.

Men don't complain about how Western media depicts masculinity.

But the minute anyone on this forum so much as mentions JRPGs, you'll see male (and some female) posters flock to criticise these titles for depicting "whiny, overly-emotional, tween girly-boys who dress like chicks" as their protagonists.

The way Japanese media constructs masculinity makes members of the Western audience angry and uncomfortable, because it runs counter to what they've been taught about how men should look and behave.

[HiroVoid]

The Xand wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

celestial_emperor wrote...



So you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible, judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men) throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

Isn't that last bit not kind of sexist?

In a way, it is a bit.  Women being cunning and seductive is a common stereotype in fictional works especially in RPGs where being a female gives you the choice to be this, but less often gives males the chance to use wiles.

[The Xand]

Star fury wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The major reason most players (including myself) find her objectionable is because she said she hates video games. It has nothing whatsoever with how she looks or does not look.

Amazing how easy it is to play the sexist card and indiscriminately silence all critics.

People had problem with Hepler's writing, dislike of combat in videogames, shoving gay characters everywhere. 

Surprising number of girls are into gay guy sex. I say surprising because I always used to assume all girls were bisexual and liked heteresexual/lesbian porn, if they even watched it at all and didn't just read erotic stories. Naive times. Good times.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:54 .

[BackdoorPaco]

The Xand wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

celestial_emperor wrote...



So you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible, judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men) throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

Isn't that last bit not kind of sexist?

Sexism is only sexist when it benefits males.
Kinda like how racial remarks are only racist when the dominant race says them. Or something.

[AlexanderCousland]

Thank You!


If a Male was posing the same Exact Way....would you view it as sexual?

Im waiting.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:56 .

[The Hierophant]

Plaintiff wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

*peeks head in*

Isn't it funny how every female protagonist looking good is sexist, but every male protagonist looking good isn't?

Yeah, no. Many male protagonists would in fact be considered "ugly" by our modern, Western standard of beauty, which, even for men, advocates slim, toned physiques with no body hair.

That's like saying Danny Trejo and Johnny Depp must be regarded as equally attractive because they both star in movies.

No...The real funny part is that Men usually dont take time out to complain about how We, as a whole, are being presented. We don't care how Male protagonists are portrayed, we aren't worried that a Male protagonist might say, do, or wear something that disrespect's Manhood as an entire gender....Why dont we...well...because that's silly.

Men don't complain about how Western media depicts masculinity.

But the minute anyone on this forum so much as mentions JRPGs, you'll see male (and some female) posters flock to criticise these titles for depicting "whiny, overly-emotional, tween girly-boys who dress like chicks" as their protagonists.

The way Japanese media constructs masculinity makes members of the Western audience angry and uncomfortable, because it runs counter to what they've been taught about how men should look and behave.

Lulz. I wonder if that also had an impact on the nation's low birthrates. 

[Fredward]

^^ I'm not seeing it as sexual now though.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:58 .

[The Xand]

HiroVoid wrote...

The Xand wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

celestial_emperor wrote...



So
you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible,
judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether
being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are
so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another
gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has
been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men)
throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't
creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the
case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and
considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly
creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and
still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started
this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to
have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male
representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same
light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning
in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

Isn't that last bit not kind of sexist?

In
a way, it is a bit.  Women being cunning and seductive is a common
stereotype in fictional works especially in RPGs where being a female
gives you the choice to be this, but less often gives males the chance
to use wiles.

To be fair women are generally quite a bit smaller than guys. I'm not even that strong a guy and I could easily smack around your average women. My own gf is only 5 foot, to my 5 foot 7. Eh, that's not to say I ever would do that ofc because violence is reprehensible.

Also I'm totally not sexist because one of my fave characters in League of Legends is Kayle, even if she is a woman and too breasty and blonde to look like me. I'm actually most offended that she's left handed.  Have to pretend it's some sort of mirror world, or she just uses her sword in her left hand because she likes lamping people with her right.

[Plaintiff]

The Xand wrote...

So girls want to look sexy and boys want to look tough. Oh noes. (In response to Plaintiff's post on the previous page, cba quoting so many pics)

What women want hasn't got anything to do with how they're depicted in videogames. These female characters have mostly been constructed by men, and they conform to what media assumes men want in their women. Virtually no consideration is given to what a woman wuld like to see in her female protagonists.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Xand wrote...

To be fair women are generally quite a bit smaller than guys. I'm not even that strong a guy and I could easily smack around your average women. My own gf is only 5 foot, to my 5 foot 7. Eh, that's not to say I ever would do that ofc because violence is reprehensible.

Also I'm totally not sexist because one of my fave characters in League of Legends is Kayle, even if she is a woman and too breasty and blonde to look like me. I'm actually most offended that she's left handed.  Have to pretend it's some sort of mirror world, or she just uses her sword in her left hand because she likes lamping people with her right.

6/10

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 11 novembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[The Xand]

Plaintiff wrote...

The Xand wrote...

So girls want to look sexy and boys want to look tough. Oh noes. (In response to Plaintiff's post on the previous page, cba quoting so many pics)

What women want hasn't got anything to do with how they're depicted in videogames. These female characters have mostly been constructed by men, and they conform to what media assumes men want in their women. Virtually no consideration is given to what a woman wuld like to see in her female protagonists.

That's probably because it's mainly men that play games. Yes, that's right. I went there.

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Xand wrote...

To
be fair women are generally quite a bit smaller than guys. I'm not even
that strong a guy and I could easily smack around your average women.
My own gf is only 5 foot, to my 5 foot 7. Eh, that's not to say I ever
would do that ofc because violence is reprehensible.

Also I'm
totally not sexist because one of my fave characters in League of
Legends is Kayle, even if she is a woman and too breasty and blonde to
look like me. I'm actually most offended that she's left handed.  Have
to pretend it's some sort of mirror world, or she just uses her sword in
her left hand because she likes lamping people with her right.

6/10

c(_)/10

Modifié par The Xand, 11 novembre 2013 - 07:01 .

[AlexanderCousland]

HiroVoid wrote...

The Xand wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

celestial_emperor wrote...



So you don't appreciate being represented as wealthier, more visible, judged by your actions above all other aspects of your being, whether being gendered, racial or  ethnic background, etc. Don't forget! You are so incredibly revelant to every story that no two members of another gender ever have a conversation that isn't about you?

This has been the dominant representation of men (mostly by and for men) throughout most of civilization. The fact that in 2013, we aren't creative enough to have an equal amount of stories where that isn't the case is rather depressing.

It's really problematic, and considering we are on this forum because Bioware does employ incredibly creative people who can and generally do tell really amazing stories and still have women who have pretty lousy experiences is why I started this thread in the first place.

You certainly seem to have an abundance of knowledge and appreciation for male representation. It reads like you don't view females in the quite same light, or am I incorrect?  I think Female's are awsome and are cunning in ways Men can never dream of knowing.

Isn't that last bit not kind of sexist?

In a way, it is a bit.  Women being cunning and seductive is a common stereotype in fictional works especially in RPGs where being a female gives you the choice to be this, but less often gives males the chance to use wiles.

Calling a woman cunning is sexist?
I think cunning is a necessary tool for either gender.