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[Cobalt2113]

 Just a simple game here. Pick who you think would be able to intimidate who among the crew (or others if you like).

I think it'll be more fun if we avoid the obvious ones. For instance Javik could probably intimidate most people. Conversely just about anyone could intimidate Tali.

So I'll go first and say... Ashley could intimidate Miranda.

[Argentoid]

Space Hamster could intimidate Shifty Looking Cow

[IllusiveManJr]

Argentoid wrote...

Space Hamster could intimidate Shifty Looking Cow

[SwobyJ]

Miranda could intimidate Jack. (ME2) Jack's soooo defensive.

[DeinonSlayer]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Conversely just about anyone could intimidate Tali.

I seem to recall the first person who tried getting a grenade up the ass for their trouble...

I think Zaeed and Javik would be an even match for intimidation, right at the top of the heap, but I don't think there's anything live or dead that could damage Samara's calm.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:59 .

[Xilizhra]

I think Zaeed and Javik would be an even match for intimidation, right at the top of the heap, but I don't think there's anything live or dead that could damage Samara's calm.

Morinth did.

Anyway, this seems like the proxy dickwaving contest to end all proxy dickwaving contests.

[Zazzerka]

Javik couldn't intimidate his way out of a wet paper bag.

"In my cycle, we did that horrible thing that you just mentioned."

Really, Javik.

[Kataphrut94]

Renegade Shepard would be the most intimidate-y, followed by Paragon Shepard. Wrex would be up there too.

Who's more intimidating- Garrus or Thane?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

SwobyJ wrote...

Miranda could intimidate Jack. (ME2) Jack's soooo defensive.

Miranda is the one who flinches in their "catfight" scene.

I legitimately don't think anyone can intimidate Jack. Damn girl doesn't bat an eye at anything, and will fight anyone.

Jack isn't even phased by threats from Samara, whose biotics are on par with hers and has more combat experience.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Miranda could intimidate Jack. (ME2) Jack's soooo defensive.

Miranda is the one who flinches in their "catfight" scene.

 

Not seeing a flinch from Miranda. I'm rather seeing Miranda act more professional and not let her rampant emotions get unchecked, unlike Jack.

I legitimately don't think anyone can intimidate Jack. Damn girl doesn't bat an eye at anything, and will fight anyone.

Yep. And that's gonna suck for her when she tries that on Shepard, who will deck her in the face. If not put one in her head.

Jack isn't even phased by threats from Samara, whose biotics are on par with hers and has more combat experience.

That to me just shows that she's an idiot.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I believe Miranda would utterly tear Ashley apart in a verbal argument on iciness alone. And if the confrontation got physical, I believe Miranda would put Ashley down with ease.

It would be unnerving for most of the crew. Joker even mentions in ME2 about not wanting to ****** Miranda off.

Ashley is too hot-headed and lets her emotions and prejudices guide her thinking. It's really not hard to beat her in a debate.

[NeonFlux117]

Saren.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Miranda could intimidate Jack. (ME2) Jack's soooo defensive.

Miranda is the one who flinches in their "catfight" scene.

 

Not seeing a flinch from Miranda. I'm rather seeing Miranda act more professional and not let her rampant emotions get unchecked, unlike Jack.

Watch it again. It comes at Jack's "Screw you" & finger in the face.

I legitimately don't think anyone can intimidate Jack. Damn girl doesn't bat an eye at anything, and will fight anyone.

Yep. And that's gonna suck for her when she tries that on Shepard, who will deck her in the face. If not put one in her head.

Jack doesn't pick fights, she simply defends herself from those who threaten her. Shepard would probably best her in a fight, but she wouldn't be the one to start it (she knows she'd lose), and would not go down without fighting back tooth-and-nail.

Respect.

Jack isn't even phased by threats from Samara, whose biotics are on par with hers and has more combat experience.

That to me just shows that she's an idiot.

That's okay. It's not as if Samara was going to follow up on her idle threats anyway.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 11 novembre 2013 - 08:39 .

[Kataphrut94]

I'd say in terms of intimidation, it would go Jack -> Miranda -> Ashley. Of the three of them, Jack is the only one whose done anything to earn her reputation, plus she's the only one of the three willing to give crap to Commander Shepard.

Though if we're only looking at the chicks, I'd put Samara and EDI above all three of them on account of being figuratively and literally emotionless. You can't intimidate someone who doesn't care, and it's easy to be intimidated by someone who can either snap your neck over a piece of litter or drain your oxygen while you sleep.

[Hjklop]

Would Grunt even be intimidated by anything, he seems to treat fighting as some kind of fun sport, so I can't see him being threatened by anyone in the traditional sense.

[NeonFlux117]

Miranda would whoop the sh!t outta Jack. But Aria would pwn them all. Hard.

And Samara would probably tear them apart too. She's been a justicar..... For like 300 years.

But Miri's incredibly skill set and biotics would own Jack. In 1 on 1, Thane, Wrex or Grunt- Maybe Javik on a good day, would be the only ones to beat Miri. I'd say maybe Garrus, if he had range and a good line of sight. But CQC, yeah it's over-however Garrus is really good in hand to hand combat, he has reach..... . Zaeed would survive just because he's zaeed, lol.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 11 novembre 2013 - 08:51 .

[Kataphrut94]

Are we that sure Miranda could beat Jack in a fight? Jack's a hardened psycho biotic built to be a murderer from childhood while Miranda herself is a sheltered daddy's girl with some good covert management skills. Maybe she's better at strategy, but if you're just putting two people in a room and getting them to scuffle, my money's on the one that guys in solitary confinement are afraid of.

The more I think about it, the more I realise that most of the Mass Effect squadmates would be hard to intimidate; they'd have to be made of stern stuff given the amount of crap Shepard puts them through. Out of every single one of them, the only one who seemed to come away from what they did saying "that was scary and horrible, no way I'm doing that again" was Kasumi.

[Sundance31us]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Saren.

He's too easily distracted by blue bosoms (ref. tiffy fit he had which didn't intimidate Benezia in the least).

[Ryzaki]

As much as I like Miranda pretty sure she'd be intimidated by Jack.

But that's a sign of a sane man considering Jack's a unstable biotic who pretty much hates Miranda's guts. Shep's just better/more dangerous (if renedouche).

Renedouche could intimidate just about everyone.

Wrex and Jack could intimidate most of the crew.

[NeonFlux117]

Sundance31us wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Saren.

He's too easily distracted by blue bosoms (ref. tiffy fit he had which didn't intimidate Benezia in the least).

Saren was awesome. Especially before the events in ME1, after he went all herpaderp and gave himself some "upgrades" and got indonctrinated he was full scrub. But Saren, for the most part of his life, was a BAMF. 

[RatThing]

I can't really see Miranda intimidate anyone. Whenever she tries to act bossy all she gets is back talk from the other one.
Clearly the most intimidating person in MEU is Aria. If she's giving orders or trashes someone, people do not talk back. They jump. She even manages to keep the Krogan at leash who once ruled Omega.

[SwobyJ]

RatThing wrote...

I can't really see Miranda intimidate anyone. Whenever she tries to act bossy all she gets is back talk from the other one.
Clearly the most intimidating person in MEU is Aria. If she's giving orders or trashes someone, people do not talk back. They jump. She even manages to keep the Krogan at leash who once ruled Omega.

For my Jack example it's more that Miranda makes Jack feel weak in certain ways. Obviously Jack (ME2) isn't about to take any c*** from Miranda, but from the dialogue I found it pretty clear that she regarded Miranda as not just a general, but a very personal threat.

A specific type of intimidation.

[RatThing]

SwobyJ wrote...

RatThing wrote...

I can't really see Miranda intimidate anyone. Whenever she tries to act bossy all she gets is back talk from the other one.
Clearly the most intimidating person in MEU is Aria. If she's giving orders or trashes someone, people do not talk back. They jump. She even manages to keep the Krogan at leash who once ruled Omega.

For my Jack example it's more that Miranda makes Jack feel weak in certain ways. Obviously Jack (ME2) isn't about to take any c*** from Miranda, but from the dialogue I found it pretty clear that she regarded Miranda as not just a general, but a very personal threat.

A specific type of intimidation.

I didn't see it. Clearly there is a lot of hatred between them but I'd say it's because Mranda is Cerberus. It's more about what she stands for than what she really is or does.

Modifié par RatThing, 11 novembre 2013 - 10:34 .

[SwobyJ]

RatThing wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

RatThing wrote...

I can't really see Miranda intimidate anyone. Whenever she tries to act bossy all she gets is back talk from the other one.
Clearly the most intimidating person in MEU is Aria. If she's giving orders or trashes someone, people do not talk back. They jump. She even manages to keep the Krogan at leash who once ruled Omega.

For my Jack example it's more that Miranda makes Jack feel weak in certain ways. Obviously Jack (ME2) isn't about to take any c*** from Miranda, but from the dialogue I found it pretty clear that she regarded Miranda as not just a general, but a very personal threat.

A specific type of intimidation.

I didn't see it. Clearly there is a lot of hatred between them but I'd say it's because Mranda is Cerberus. It's more about what she stands for than what she really is or does.

It really comes from:

1)Knowing people who act like Jack (sans the biotics and colorful history)
2)The overall gist of her Cerberus story

Intimidation isn't always as cleancut as "Oh yes, I'll do what you say, don't hurt me!" Sometimes the person going "Screw you! **** off!" is actually the one most concerned about what you're doing and who you are, but doesn't want to admit it.

That's really Jack's thing. Anti-social because she let herself get too close to too many people and got burned too many times. The "Cheerleader" tag onto Miranda almost said it all to me.


EDIT: I'm not saying she's physically or socially intimidated, but psychologically. From the first day they met.
Miranda, on the other hand, is intimidated by the Illusive Man's presence of control - who in the subtext really took over in her mind from her father. She is loyal to him as a result, but Shepard can break her out of that (well he does by default, unless she dies on Suicide Mission, but still).

Modifié par SwobyJ, 11 novembre 2013 - 10:50 .

[RatThing]

SwobyJ wrote...


It really comes from:

1)Knowing people who act like Jack (sans the biotics and colorful history)
2)The overall gist of her Cerberus story

Intimidation isn't always as cleancut as "Oh yes, I'll do what you say, don't hurt me!" Sometimes the person going "Screw you! **** off!" is actually the one most concerned about what you're doing and who you are, but doesn't want to admit it.

That's really Jack's thing. Anti-social because she let herself get too close to too many people and got burned too many times. The "Cheerleader" tag onto Miranda almost said it all to me.


EDIT: I'm not saying she's physically or socially intimidated, but psychologically. From the first day they met.
Miranda, on the other hand, is intimidated by the Illusive Man's presence of control - who in the subtext really took over in her mind from her father. She is loyal to him as a result, but Shepard can break her out of that (well he does by default, unless she dies on Suicide Mission, but still).

So it's more about Jack's behaviour than Mirandas because I can't think of any scene where Miranda does or says something that could have had that effect on Jack. I know what you mean and I can imagine that Mirandas character setup and backstory supposed to make her some psychologically manipulative mastermind, a person who could read people like books and play them like violins. That would have been in fact interesting, it's just that there are no scenes or dialogues to strengthen this image. Take the confrontation with Jack for example. Would such a person really need papa Shepard to come along and settle the dispute? Or be all cranky if Shepard sides with Jack? I'd expect such a person would look at the emotional wreckage that Jack is and know exactly how to manipulate her to at least leave her alone. It didn't happen.

Modifié par RatThing, 11 novembre 2013 - 11:47 .