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[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, TIM didn't need to try and manipulate my Shepard. I know I'm being given the happy show, and I don't care. It's pretty easy to see, considering I still end up seeing so many other Cerberus experiments.

And I still support them. The only issues I have are those of economy, practicality, and utility.

As for the base, I'd give it to TIM if not for the fact that it's Reaper tech that is very dangerous to use, and really not worth the risk, even if it could net such a high gain IMO. I certainly trust it with TIM far more than I trust the alliance or Council goons. I reject all that 'soul of our species' crap as BS. I simply treat the base as if it were the One Ring of Sauron. If I could safely use it, I would, but it's too much of a black box and too unpredictable. Depending on how you view it, this is justified or too cautious. Nothing against TIM, but I don't think he can control it. No one can.

And yet you have no qualms about Geth use of Reaper code to alter their thought processes at a fundamental level. I'm genuinely curious how you make the distinction. Is Reaper tech only dangerous if it isn't made intrinsically part of you?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, TIM didn't need to try and manipulate my Shepard. I know I'm being given the happy show, and I don't care. It's pretty easy to see, considering I still end up seeing so many other Cerberus experiments.

And I still support them. The only issues I have are those of economy, practicality, and utility.

As for the base, I'd give it to TIM if not for the fact that it's Reaper tech that is very dangerous to use, and really not worth the risk, even if it could net such a high gain IMO. I certainly trust it with TIM far more than I trust the alliance or Council goons. I reject all that 'soul of our species' crap as BS. I simply treat the base as if it were the One Ring of Sauron. If I could safely use it, I would, but it's too much of a black box and too unpredictable. Depending on how you view it, this is justified or too cautious. Nothing against TIM, but I don't think he can control it. No one can.

And yet you have no qualms about Geth use of Reaper code to alter their thought processes at a fundamental level. I'm genuinely curious how you make the distinction. Is Reaper tech only dangerous if it isn't made intrinsically part of you?

Oh believe me, I have reservations about it. This is something I really can't answer, but I'd say that something with a Reaper upgrade to a Geth might be different than indoctrination or Reaperization of an organic being. For that matter, how about EDI? How do I feel about having an AI that is based off of Reaper tech. My conclusion is that Reaper technology has different effects between organics and synthetics. It seems that Reapers can't forcibly hack synthetics (or if they can, that capability was never exercised for some reason). They can forcibly indoctrinate organics. Something is different there.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I am. You're the one getting pooper peeved because I'm not a SJW who follows your rules for 'kindness'.

I wouldn't have shown up in here at all if you didn't constantly brag about your allegedly superior mindset.

I'm not bragging about my superior mindset. I'm simply stating that it is a mindset, and one that has wisdom behind it. 

You're the one who gets all worked up because people aren't paragons like you.

Thus far, I've encountered no wisdom from said mindset.

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

[Xilizhra]

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

I'm the one who's anthropocentric? Aren't you trying to bring about human dominance?

But if you think there's wisdom there, please explain.

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Thus far, I've encountered no wisdom from said mindset.

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

Intolerant, absolutely. I can't think of anyone else on this site who has made multiple death threats against people who disagree with them.

Anthropocentric, though? Maybe Asari-centric.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

I'm the one who's anthropocentric? Aren't you trying to bring about human dominance?

That's not anthropocentrism. That's wanting to put humanity in an advantageous position, if benevolent. It's because I'm not anthropocentric that I want to put humans in that postion. 

But if you think there's wisdom there, please explain.

It's been explained to you in the past. You've ignored it because you didn't like it. And that's alright. Why don't you explain your wisdom?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Thus far, I've encountered no wisdom from said mindset.

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

Intolerant, absolutely. I can't think of anyone else on this site who has made multiple death threats against people who disagree with them.

Anthropocentric, though? Maybe Asari-centric.

It's the best word I can use because Mr. Webster doesn't have a word for Asari-centric. But yes this was the general gist of what I was saying.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I acknowledge I'm cold, practical, and detached and dispassionate. I consider it a virtue. Compassion is a strength at times, and at others, it is an undoing.

And by "practical," I assume you mean "get consistently worse results than full Paragons."

Nope, I get great outcomes. Perfect even.

Only by inventing an outcome in headcanon. Let's stick to what's in the game itself, shall we?

Define better. Going full Paragon is stupid even in game. 

Going full anyting is stupid in game as it should be.

The game does reward consistency on matters though.

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Thus far, I've encountered no wisdom from said mindset.

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

Intolerant, absolutely. I can't think of anyone else on this site who has made multiple death threats against people who disagree with them.

Anthropocentric, though? Maybe Asari-centric.

It's the best word I can use because Mr. Webster doesn't have a word for Asari-centric. But yes this was the general gist of what I was saying.

Let's go with Cephalocentric. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Thus far, I've encountered no wisdom from said mindset.

Well, that's a given. I'm not expecting you to see anything beyond your own vision and judgements. You have a habit of being very anthropocentric and intolerant.

Intolerant, absolutely. I can't think of anyone else on this site who has made multiple death threats against people who disagree with them.

Anthropocentric, though? Maybe Asari-centric.

It's the best word I can use because Mr. Webster doesn't have a word for Asari-centric. But yes this was the general gist of what I was saying.

Let's go with Cephalocentric. 

That works. 

[dreamgazer]

Hey guys, what's going on in this th---

[Xilizhra]

Intolerant, absolutely. I can't think of anyone else on this site who has made multiple death threats against people who disagree with them.

Even I haven't done so. I only said that death might happen in one situation, performed by people on one side to people on the other and not having to do with me or the other person specifically, having to do with touchy and potentially violent IRL politics, once, and didn't even say so on BSN.

Anthropocentric, though? Maybe Asari-centric.

I admire their culture, but won't favor them over other species just for being asari. For instance, I back Nyreen over Aria all the way in Omega.

It's been explained to you in the past. You've ignored it because you didn't like it. And that's alright. Why don't you explain your wisdom?

I seek to do the most amount of good for the most amount of people. Nothing more or less.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Hey guys, what's going on in this th---

Not to derail, but this episode was on about a week ago.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, I like that one.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been explained to you in the past. You've ignored it because you didn't like it. And that's alright. Why don't you explain your wisdom?

I seek to do the most amount of good for the most amount of people. Nothing more or less.

So do I. I just do it in a different manner than you. I have a different idea of what constitutes good than you.

As I've mentioned multiple times, I take a more David Hume approach to John Stuart Mill Utilitarianism, even branching into Nietzsche with strong influences of Machiavelli. 

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been explained to you in the past. You've ignored it because you didn't like it. And that's alright. Why don't you explain your wisdom?

I seek to do the most amount of good for the most amount of people. Nothing more or less.

So do I. I just do it in a different manner than you. I have a different idea of what constitutes good than you.

As I've mentioned multiple times, I take a more David Hume approach to John Stuart Mill Utilitarianism, even branching into Nietzsche with strong influences of Machiavelli. 

Wasn't Machiavelli writing a satire?

Also, I don't think your human dominance or Cerberus rebirth plans are good for anyone outside your master race.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been explained to you in the past. You've ignored it because you didn't like it. And that's alright. Why don't you explain your wisdom?

I seek to do the most amount of good for the most amount of people. Nothing more or less.

So do I. I just do it in a different manner than you. I have a different idea of what constitutes good than you.

As I've mentioned multiple times, I take a more David Hume approach to John Stuart Mill Utilitarianism, even branching into Nietzsche with strong influences of Machiavelli. 

Wasn't Machiavelli writing a satire?

Il Principe? Yes.

Discourses on Livy? No. 

Livy was essentially a longer and much subtler and rational argument for the concepts introduced in Il Principe.

Also, I don't think your human dominance or Cerberus rebirth plans are good for anyone outside your master race.

I don't think your plans for Asari supremacy are either. Or keeping the Reapers alive. 

[dreamgazer]

Are ... you two trying to intimidate each other?

[Xilizhra]

I don't think your plans for Asari supremacy are either. Or keeping the Reapers alive.

I have no plans for asari supremacy. And the Reapers will do more good than harm.

[eyezonlyii]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been explained to you in the past. You've ignored it because you didn't like it. And that's alright. Why don't you explain your wisdom?

I seek to do the most amount of good for the most amount of people. Nothing more or less.

So do I. I just do it in a different manner than you. I have a different idea of what constitutes good than you.

As I've mentioned multiple times, I take a more David Hume approach to John Stuart Mill Utilitarianism, even branching into Nietzsche with strong influences of Machiavelli. 

Wasn't Machiavelli writing a satire?

Also, I don't think your human dominance or Cerberus rebirth plans are good for anyone outside your master race.

Well to be fair, the Salaian master race brought about the Krogan Rebellion, and the Asari master race very nearly helped hand the galaxy to the Reapers. And before you start in on how it was "only the Matriarchs" remember it was "only the STG" that did the genophage work, In fact of the council species, it's only the Turians that haven't caused a major failure on the galactic scale. Humanity unfortunately has to take the L for the whole Cerberus in ME3 thing...

[eyezonlyii]

dreamgazer wrote...

Are ... you two trying to intimidate each other?

Massively used INTIMIDATE!
...it wasn't very effective

Xil used CONFUSE RAY!!! 
...it's attack missed!

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think your plans for Asari supremacy are either. Or keeping the Reapers alive.

I have no plans for asari supremacy. And the Reapers will do more good than harm.

And I have no plans for human supremacy. A strong, advantageous position yes, but I'm not going to start putting people in death camps.... Xil.

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think your plans for Asari supremacy are either. Or keeping the Reapers alive.

I have no plans for asari supremacy. And the Reapers will do more good than harm.

And I have no plans for human supremacy. A strong, advantageous position yes, but I'm not going to start putting people in death camps.... Xil.

And I will not elevate any one species over any other.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

All animals are equal. Some are just more equal than others, right?

[Seboist]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

but I'm not going to start putting people in death camps.... Xil.

In my playthrough I removed any need for that.