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[Nohvarr]

Here's the funny part, even though I do plan to pick up the Witcher 3, since it's not a party based RPG, since Geralts personal goal is to find a woman I have no interest/attachment/care in/to/for, since I can't design Geralts look from the ground up, and since the number of characters I actually liked in The Witcher 2 don't take an entire hand to count I am personally more interested in DA:I, Project Eternity, Torment: Tides of Numenera, Wasteland 2, and Final fantasy 15 (I know the last one shocked me as well). Heck if I'm totally honest with myself, I feel CD PRojekt Red's Cyberpunk 2077 game has a greater potential to be more enjoyable for me than The Witcher 3. However since I do enjoy hunting monster, I do enjoy the combat system, I do want to see how things shake out for the few three characters I like and want to give CD Project a hand (since we really do need more competent Western RPG developers) I'm willing to buy their Witcher game

[Blooddrunk1004]

Plaintiff wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

if thats all that matters to you then you are one very sad human being

The Witcher series has nothing else to recommend it. If I wanted a generic 'save the world' story, set in a generic pseudo-medieval setting, starring a generically stoic, broody man, I could just walk into the video game store blindfolded and pick up the first title I pluck from the bargain bin.

Dragon Age has something that sets it apart, and that thing is the ability to kiss other boys.

Your post makes me think that you never even tryed any Witcher game. I rather have a game where my decisions make difference than worry about which NPC i can screw up.
Witcher was never about saving the world and both games storys are far from being generic and have excellent writing.

[Ridwan]

ATiBotka wrote...

Every game needs a bisexual elf. If I can't romance Iorveth in TW3, I will cancel my pre-order.

Geralt isn't gay and CD Projekt Red is an eastern European developer, where being seen as gay or called gay is considered an insult. Hell it's even considered an insult in western European countries too. So not gonna happen.

[Nohvarr]

Witcher was never about saving the world and both games storys are far from being generic and have excellent writing.

They stated their reasons for not liking the game, it's their opinion, no need to get defensive.

[TurretSyndrome]

I see a lot of things that can be compared in both the games, so it's not hard to arrive at the conclusion that they will be rivals. Both are also going to be released in the same year.

[Ieldra]

Unfortunately, if it has boss fights like TW2 that will put me off TW3, which is a shame since I like the world and the characters. TW3 is currently on my "close observation" list, while things like Project Eternity would be on the "will play" list even if I wasn't a backer. DAI's on the "will play" list too, given no excessively bad news between now and its release.

On the question, I think DAI and TW3 are different enough to have their own player base, and I fully expect DAI to be more friendly to new players. I don't think TW3 will adversely affect DAI's sales.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 novembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[The Antagonist]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unfortunately, if it has boss fights like TW2 that will put me off TW3, which is a shame since I like the world and the characters. TW3 is currently on my "close observation" list, while things like Project Eternity would be on the "will play" list even if I wasn't a backer. DAI's on the "will play" list too, given no excessively bad news between now and its release.

use trainers bro

[Ryzaki]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

if thats all that matters to you then you are one very sad human being

The Witcher series has nothing else to recommend it. If I wanted a generic 'save the world' story, set in a generic pseudo-medieval setting, starring a generically stoic, broody man, I could just walk into the video game store blindfolded and pick up the first title I pluck from the bargain bin.

Dragon Age has something that sets it apart, and that thing is the ability to kiss other boys.

Your post makes me think that you never even tryed any Witcher game. I rather have a game where my decisions make difference than worry about which NPC i can screw up.
Witcher was never about saving the world and both games storys are far from being generic and have excellent writing.

And I rather have a generic story where I can make my character (with ovaries if I wish) and have a party that travels around with said female character and nice dialogue to go along with it.

I'd take generic with a character creator everyday over decisions making a difference but being only able to play white male heterosexual protagonist #9999

Everyone have different preferences.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 novembre 2013 - 09:41 .

[Plaintiff]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

if thats all that matters to you then you are one very sad human being

The Witcher series has nothing else to recommend it. If I wanted a generic 'save the world' story, set in a generic pseudo-medieval setting, starring a generically stoic, broody man, I could just walk into the video game store blindfolded and pick up the first title I pluck from the bargain bin.

Dragon Age has something that sets it apart, and that thing is the ability to kiss other boys.

Your post makes me think that you never even tryed any Witcher game. I rather have a game where my decisions make difference than worry about which NPC i can screw up.
Witcher was never about saving the world and both games storys are far from being generic and have excellent writing.

Lots of games have excellent writing. I don't care if my decisions make a difference, I play lots of games with entirely linear stories.

I haven't tried any Witcher game, and I don't intend to ever play any Witcher game. It's up to CD Projekt Red to convince me that their product is special and deserves my attention, and so far, they haven't. Word of mouth isn't exactly doing it any favours either.

I wasn't remotely interested in the Dragon Age series either, until I learned that I could roleplay as a gay character. And I was perfectly content to pass on the first two Mass Effect games for that exact same reason. 

My money doesn't just go to games that give me 'gay romance', it goes to any game that offers me something interesting in terms of narrative or gameplay, or even just games that look fun. The Witcher doesn't do any of those things.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 11 novembre 2013 - 09:43 .

[HSomCokeSniper]

Octavian the Emperor wrote...

I'm gonna enjoy both.

[Ieldra]

codenamesource wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unfortunately, if it has boss fights like TW2 that will put me off TW3, which is a shame since I like the world and the characters. TW3 is currently on my "close observation" list, while things like Project Eternity would be on the "will play" list even if I wasn't a backer. DAI's on the "will play" list too, given no excessively bad news between now and its release.

use trainers bro

Unfortunately, that doesn't help a lot if my main problem is dealing with prescribed sequences of moves I can't appear to get right whatever the difficulty before my (already very limited) patience with that kind of fight has run out.

[Kidd]

I don't see them as competitors, they're pretty different games. Not having played The Witcher yet, it seems more like an action game with a branching narrative than an RPG. Mind you, that's fine, I love lots of action games and especially in the third person camera perspective.

Also, I don't believe the amount of people out to buy video games yet unable to afford picking up both TW3 and DAI is a very substantial part of the market, so if one is interested in both one will likely pick up both.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Not really.

There will be comparisons since both are Medieval Fantasy RPGs but in the end, Witcher is about Geralt. DA:I is about the Inquisition. Two completely different things.

So yes they both will be competitors in how the present their RPG, story, the world, the graphics and the mechanics. But other than that, nope.

[Augustei]

Nohvarr wrote...

Witcher was never about saving the world and both games storys are far from being generic and have excellent writing.

They stated their reasons for not liking the game, it's their opinion, no need to get defensive.

He stated his reason for disagreeing with their opinion, no need to get defensive.

[ATiBotka]

M25105 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Every game needs a bisexual elf. If I can't romance Iorveth in TW3, I will cancel my pre-order.

Geralt isn't gay and CD Projekt Red is an eastern European developer, where being seen as gay or called gay is considered an insult. Hell it's even considered an insult in western European countries too. So not gonna happen.

In that case, pre-order cancelled.

[fchopin]

TW3 had no competition until Bioware decided to extend DAI for another year.
Now we should have two good role playing games in 2014.

[Ridwan]

ATiBotka wrote...

M25105 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Every game needs a bisexual elf. If I can't romance Iorveth in TW3, I will cancel my pre-order.

Geralt isn't gay and CD Projekt Red is an eastern European developer, where being seen as gay or called gay is considered an insult. Hell it's even considered an insult in western European countries too. So not gonna happen.

In that case, pre-order cancelled.

Pre-ordering is stupid any way. But if you refuse to buy a game from a developer that has a different cultural mindset than yours were being seeing gay isn't super duper awesome (like this forum makes it out to be) then that's your loss. Do I like the whole gay stuff in ME 3 and DA:Origins and DA2? Nope, but I still bought it and played it and had a good time.

[ATiBotka]

M25105 wrote...

Pre-ordering is stupid any way. But if you refuse to buy a game from a developer that has a different cultural mindset than yours were being seeing gay isn't super duper awesome (like this forum makes it out to be) then that's your loss. Do I like the whole gay stuff in ME 3 and DA:Origins and DA2? Nope, but I still bought it and played it and had a good time.

Gays are superior. Damn that eastern-european mentality.

[Nohvarr]

ATiBotka wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Geralt isn't gay and CD Projekt Red is an eastern European developer, where being seen as gay or called gay is considered an insult. Hell it's even considered an insult in western European countries too. So not gonna happen.

In that case, pre-order cancelled.

Ah the sweet sound of 'Pre-order Cancelled', how I missed it.

seriously though this actually illustrates another problem I have with the Witcher series. Geralts characters and personality is pretty well established. Sure they use amnesia to account for any differences the PC takes from the original but I still can't help feeling as if I'm just trying to pretend to be Geralt instead of forging my own character and path. I find this especially jarring when the game mentions Yennifer and acts as if finding her should be the most important thing to me. Since I had to look her up I can safely say that goal falls flat with me.

edit:

But if you refuse to buy a game from a developer that has a different cultural mindset than yours [...] then that's your loss.

Is it really a loss though? I mean if a developer makes a game a person will not enjoy, then by not purchasing said game they are in fact saving money that can be spent on something they will enjoy.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 11 novembre 2013 - 10:38 .

[Ridwan]

ATiBotka wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Pre-ordering is stupid any way. But if you refuse to buy a game from a developer that has a different cultural mindset than yours were being seeing gay isn't super duper awesome (like this forum makes it out to be) then that's your loss. Do I like the whole gay stuff in ME 3 and DA:Origins and DA2? Nope, but I still bought it and played it and had a good time.

Gays are superior. Damn that eastern-european mentality.

lol, no.

[Deebo305]

In the massive sea of other games due out Fall 2014 uhhh....maybe

[The Elder King]

@M25105: but you're perfectly fine with lesbians, right? Since you don't have problem with femshep having sex with female characters.
Regardless, Bioware isn't expressing the mindset that begin gay is super awesome. They're expressing the mindset that being gay isn't different than being hetero. As CDPR isn't expressing an anti-gay mindset. 

Modifié par hhh89, 11 novembre 2013 - 10:48 .

[Ridwan]

hhh89 wrote...

@M25105: but you're perfectly fine with lesbians, right? Since you don't have problem with femshep having sex with female characters.
Regardless, Bioware isn't expressing the mindset that begin gay is super awesome. They're expressing the mindset that being gay isn't different than being hetero.

I didn't play femshep.

[Dutchess]

For me, personally, they are indeed competitors. Witcher 2 put DA2 to shame in every aspect, from writing to graphics and art style. In addition, CDProjekt's attitude towards gamers and their product is a lot more sympathetic than Bioware's. They have already stated that Witcher 3 will not have any form of DRM, whereas DA3 will most likely require Origins to be played, and who knows what form of invasive DRM EA has developed this time. So far, CDPR has not milked their games with day-one DLC, or comic books that destroy characters, or a book consisting of lots of codex entries and some artwork, etc. Instead, everybody who had purchased the game got the enhanced edition update for free, which added quests and extra content. That book with background information and concept art? Free with the enhanced edition. Soundtrack cd? Free with enhanced edition. Brief comic about one of Geralt's monster quests? Oh, look, free with the EE.

So, yeah, both companies are businesses, and when I compare these businesses, their products and their services, Bioware is put in the shame corner. So I am planning to preorder Witcher 3, or buy it at release - something I very rarely do - and for DAI I will wait until the price has dropped, because they got to use my DA2 preorder to say that DA2 did "well", and I found out about Witcher's greatness too late to support CDPR when they released the game.

/end of rant

Edit: and can't the homosexual debate be left out of a discussion for once? It seems to come up in nearly every thread I read. It's great that Bioware includes the option, Geralt is a pre-defined character based on novels of mr Sapkowski, and CDPR is not being homophobic when they simply stick to that pre-defined character.

Modifié par renjility, 11 novembre 2013 - 10:51 .

[Fallstar]

Ha!

What's next, threads about religion, then sexuality? That'd make this board a paradise for wannabe trolls.

Owait.