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[JCAP]

simfamSP wrote...

M25105 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Every game needs a bisexual elf. If I can't romance Iorveth in TW3, I will cancel my pre-order.

Geralt isn't gay and CD Projekt Red is an eastern European developer, where being seen as gay or called gay is considered an insult. Hell it's even considered an insult in western European countries too. So not gonna happen.

I'm European and

I'm from Portugal and

[JCAP]

I'm definitely buying Witcher 3, but I'm not pre-ordering (got burned with Rome II, it was the last time I pre-ordered something).

I'm going to wait for the release date and hear what the people say about it.

DA:I, I'm on the fence (a little inclined to buy). If it gets good reviews, I will buy it. If bad...... I'm going to think about it.

Modifié par JCAP, 11 novembre 2013 - 04:45 .

[Vort3xX]

I'm way more interested in The Witcher 3 and really don't care about DA:I atm no matter how it turns out in the end (within reason)  TW3 will be my first priority.

Modifié par Vort3xX, 11 novembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[General TSAR]

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

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[The Elder King]

I'm interested in both. I might get both on day-one too, if there's enough time between each release.

[Anzer]

Both games are dark-fantasy RPGs, so to an extent, they will compete with each other.
Personally, I'm looking forward to both games.

[someguy1231]

Plaintiff wrote...
I haven't tried any Witcher game, and I don't intend to ever play any Witcher game.

Then nothing you have to say about the Witcher games carries any authority and nobody has any reason to take it seriously. Word of mouth and first impressions can only go so far. You'd be suprised how many games I thought I knew I'd hate, only to have a complete 180 after actually playing them.

Plaintiff wrote...
It's up to CD Projekt Red to convince me that their product is special and deserves my attention, and so far, they haven't. Word of mouth isn't exactly doing it any favours either.

You must have very selective word of mouth then. Every RPG fan I know of loves the games, especially the second one. In fact, the game's hugely positive word of mouth was largely how it became a surprise hit in North America, despite being made by a little-known Polish developer and based on an obscure set of fantasy books.

Plaintiff wrote...
I wasn't remotely interested in the Dragon Age series either, until I learned that I could roleplay as a gay character. And I was perfectly content to pass on the first two Mass Effect games for that exact same reason. 

If the possibility of gay romance is your only criteria for whether an RPG interests you, then you have very odd tastes as a gamer.

Plaintiff wrote...
My money doesn't just go to games that give me 'gay romance', it goes to any game that offers me something interesting in terms of narrative or gameplay, or even just games that look fun. The Witcher doesn't do any of those things.

Again, how do you know that when you haven't actually played it?

Also, I have to take issue with your claim that you'll buy a game if it's "interesting in terms of narrative or gameplay", since you said earlier that you passed on ME1 and ME2 but bought ME3. Since ME1 and ME2 are almost unanimously considered superior story-wise to ME3, and since many stories in ME3 won't make sense if you haven't played the first two games, I find your claim hard to believe.

[Addai]

Budgets are tight, so yes, in my book they're competitors and Witcher 3 is the one I'll be willing to buy full price at this point. Especially if DAI is front-loaded with day-one DLC and that sort of crap.

[someguy1231]

As for competition, both games will inevitably be compared with each other simply because both are calling themselves RPGs. We already saw this for DA2 and TW2, so there's no reason to suspect it won't happen again for the third installments of both franchises. People here are just expressing wishful thinking if they think the two games won't compete with each other.

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

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I really don't get this, I never have. Being able to be gay is the only reason why he plays anything BioWare. What is the point in that? 

[someguy1231]

Oh, and one more thing. Everyone here complaining that the Witcher games don't let you play as a woman are completely missing the point. The games are based on a series of fantasy novels and short stories with Geralt as the main protagonist, so letting the player change his gender/race/etc was out of the question. I've never heard any Harry Potter fans complain that the games don't let them play as Harriet Potter.

For the record, CD Projekt's other upcoming game, Cyberpunk 2077, is an original IP and will have character customization, so you can' t accuse them of sexism.

Modifié par someguy1231, 11 novembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[General TSAR]

Good point someguy.

[happy_daiz]

someguy1231 wrote...

For the record, CD Projekt's other upcoming game, Cyberpunk 2077, is an original IP and will have character customization, so you can' t accuse them of sexism.

^ That is what I'm waiting for, tbh.

[Plaintiff]

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

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I really don't get this, I never have. Being able to be gay is the only reason why he plays anything BioWare. What is the point in that?

The point is I get to play a gay character. More than that, I get to play a gay hero.

Do you know how many gay characters there are in fiction, period? Because it's not a lot. And the few that exist consist mostly of one-dimnesional, offensively stereotypical sidekicks to straight women.

The only time a gay character gets to be a protagonist of anything, it's a boring drama where everybody weeps about how super-duper hard it is to be gay. Hell, gay male protagonists are getting off lightly if they haven't committed suicide or been murdered by the end of the story. And the characters are shallow and boring as hell because hack writers think that making a character gay means they don't need any other personality traits. And, of course, it's in the 'Queer' section of your local book or film store, because gay stories don't deserve to be told alongside those of our heterosexual superiors. It doesn't matter if the book/movie is a comedy or a tragedy or a horror or whatever. If it's about gay people, it goes on the 'Queer' shelf. Imagine if your local DVD store had a 'Black' section, and all the Will Smith and Eddie Murphy movies were in there.

Dragon Age is one of a scant few media products where a gay character can a) be an action hero and have a personality. And bonus, I don't have to go to a 'Queer' section to get a copy and feel like I have a neon sign flashing the word "****GOT!" over my head.

I don't expect you to understand the value of that, because you aren't in the position of being constantly told that your place in life is either to help straight people with their relationship problems, or to be bullied to the point of killing yourself. Or that your stories are unimportant and need to be kept separate from everyone else's.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:03 .

[9TailsFox]

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry Geralt have only one love Yennefer.

[9TailsFox]

someguy1231 wrote...

Oh, and one more thing. Everyone here complaining that the Witcher games don't let you play as a woman are completely missing the point. The games are based on a series of fantasy novels and short stories with Geralt as the main protagonist, so letting the player change his gender/race/etc was out of the question. I've never heard any Harry Potter fans complain that the games don't let them play as Harriet Potter.

For the record, CD Projekt's other upcoming game, Cyberpunk 2077, is an original IP and will have character customization, so you can' t accuse them of sexism.

And I thought I am only one who know this. But where is always rule 63.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

Budgets are tight, so yes, in my book they're competitors and Witcher 3 is the one I'll be willing to buy full price at this point. Especially if DAI is front-loaded with day-one DLC and that sort of crap.

Yup. Same here. I think some of what I've seen of DAI looks nice so far but going off of recent track records and publisher reputation, I'm much more inclined to toss money to CDPR's way than I am BioWare/EA. Especially if they're releasing at all close together, I probably would only buy one at launch, just cause I only have so much time to play games.

[Eragon-]

So hard to grasp someone can play a game for reasons other than your own.

Modifié par Eragon-, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[Paul E Dangerously]

While I approve of CDPR in a technical sense, the content leaves something to be desired.  Geralt does absolutely nothing for me as a lead for a lot of reasons. Yes, I know it's accurate to the novels.

That's kind of why I'm waiting to see how Cyberpunk does.

Modifié par Sopa de Gato, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:06 .

[Inprea]

someguy1231 wrote...

Oh, and one more thing. Everyone here complaining that the Witcher games don't let you play as a woman are completely missing the point. The games are based on a series of fantasy novels and short stories with Geralt as the main protagonist, so letting the player change his gender/race/etc was out of the question. I've never heard any Harry Potter fans complain that the games don't let them play as Harriet Potter.

For the record, CD Projekt's other upcoming game, Cyberpunk 2077, is an original IP and will have character customization, so you can' t accuse them of sexism.

Actually you're the one missing the point because you're making assumptions. I didn't say they were sexist and I don't believe anyone else here did. Just because we're not interested in yet another male protagonist doesn't mean we believe the game developers are sexist.

I just don't care about male protagonist. Their trials, tribulations and conquest just don't interest me the way a woman's does.

[Eleinehmm]

Well, it's not like people have to love Witcher or anything. I have read (and disliked) the novels long before the games came out. Just let us go, we are not missing the point, or anything, we just don't like it, pure and simple.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:19 .

[Plaintiff]

someguy1231 wrote...
Also, I have to take issue with your claim that you'll buy a game if it's "interesting in terms of narrative or gameplay", since you said earlier that you passed on ME1 and ME2 but bought ME3. Since ME1 and ME2 are almost unanimously considered superior story-wise to ME3, and since many stories in ME3 won't make sense if you haven't played the first two games, I find your claim hard to believe.

I didn't buy ME3 separately. I bought the ME trilogy bundle when it came out for PS3. The entire series is really quite generic in terms of setting and story, right down to the species of 'sexy' all-female aliens who conveniently have no qualms against emigrating from their home planet en masse to become strippers.

I play plenty of games that don't feature gay characters, or even any kind of romance at all. I own and/or have played the entire Assassin's Creed series, Red Dead Redemption, L.A. Noire, several Final Fantasy games, The Bureau, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dragon's Dogma, Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, a few 'LEGO' games, The Last of Us, Darksiders II (got that for free), Saints Row IV, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas, Dishonored, some games from the Tales series.

And that's just a non-exhaustive list from the last couple of years. There's a ****-ton more that I can't recall off the top of my head. Some of those games were rubbish, but I bought them because they presented themselves well. The Witcher does not, and I have yet to meet a fan of the series who was able to make a compelling case for it.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:23 .

[Makkah876]

The Witcher is a great game from a technical standpoint, but I didn't find the characters to be very interesting. Great characters is the main reason I find BioWare games so compelling, and they have the Witcher beat quite handily in that department.

[gangly369]

I'll of course be preordering DA:I as I love the setting and the characters that Bioware creates, in particular the companion characters. The Witcher is something I will pick up eventually, but certainly not on day one; the characters in the series are far too one-note for me (the exception being Iorveth from TW2, who had his character fleshed out quite nicely in Act 2 and 3), and I have little to no attachment to Geralt as the lead. Add to that how I've begun to notice the misogynistic elements in the story and yeah, it just isn't a priority for me anymore to get this game.

And the combat was pretty horrid in both the first and second games, so they need to improve significantly on that front as well.

[Eleinehmm]

Makkah876 wrote...

The Witcher is a great game from a technical standpoint, but I didn't find the characters to be very interesting. Great characters is the main reason I find BioWare games so compelling, and they have the Witcher beat quite handily in that department.

Yes, pretty much it. I can play games about people I don't care about, same with the books. Why should I continue reading if I don't care if the main characters  achieve what they want to or not ?

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 11 novembre 2013 - 06:22 .