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[AlexanderCousland]

If the character is not customizable It becomes hard for me to complete the game because I cant get fully immersed in the experience. Unless we a Talking really awsome gameplay like Dues Ex or The Witcher.

[The Xand]

MasterScribe wrote...

Mecha Elf wrote...

Ive never been interested in some dude that is already pre made/not mine.

I actually felt something very similar in regards to Hawke. 

Hey! Bad boy. Bad. Hawke was cool.

[Fredward]

Br3ad wrote...
Dragon Age isn't a dating sim nor is it a place to push your real life issues into a media that literally no one else care's about because everyone has their own unique story. Second, if you play games to live out your normal life, go live your normal life. You aren't making a statement. You aren't representing your minority. You aren't convincing anyone to do anything. You are sitting at home, in front of a TV, wasting time when you can be out in the real world doing these things were people actually look. Third, Dragon Age doesn't represent homosexuals. Where this reasoning came from, I don't know, but I recommend a return to sender and that you file a complaint. Fourth, status quo? What does RPing a gay character in a video game have to do with anything? Will this encourage people to force more gay protagonist because, completely disregarding the rest of their fanbase for the marginally few who only play their games to be gay? Really?

Lots of people care about it, you just don't happen to be one of them. And me buying a game that happens to represent minorities fairly instead of the usual cut & paste mainstream hero-manly man (YARRR LOOK AT MY TESTOSTERONE!) does have real life consequences. Bioware sells millions. By participating in that purchase you're helping to normalize the idea of gay characters participating in mainstream media, whether you want to or not. Picture, if you will, media like this (that represents something other than the dominant identity) being so prevalent in the 1930's. No? Now why do you suppose that is? Representation is important. Visibility is important. Yes I could put on my rainbow tights and go participate in a rally and that would certainly help with visibility, less with the idea of creating an identity that is different but equal and as normal as the dominant one. Me wearing a rainbow badge is not the same as me casually mentioning my bisexual man-**** Hawke to my friends without them batting an eyelash (weeeellll some of them anyway, babysteps.) I realize most people don't buy games specfically to be gay (I don't even do that) but the option exists. That's progress right there, my myopic friend.

This isn't about sublimation or me vicariously living via means of a pixelated ****-scene. It's not a sweeping political gesture or a rousing speech, it's participating in cultural change. Which, while a lot less heroic, is where change actually happens. Now you can deride the idea, and I expect you to continue to do so, because for some bizarre reason that is entirely beyond me those in the mainstream find the idea of a different identity sharing their spotlight absolutely intolerable. But it doesn't really matter. Because it's happening anyway.

[Fiery Phoenix]

HiroVoid wrote...

Not really. It's main competitor's going to be whichever games are releasing right around its release date. Contrary to popular belief, people don't play another game in the same genre and go 'Yep! This is the only game I'm playing now!'. More often than not, it means people will look for similar games in the same genre.

TW3 is releasing around the same time, though. Neither title has a specific release date as of yet, but both are aiming for the same general release window.

[Br3admax]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Dragon Age isn't a dating sim nor is it a place to push your real life issues into a media that literally no one else care's about because everyone has their own unique story. Second, if you play games to live out your normal life, go live your normal life. You aren't making a statement. You aren't representing your minority. You aren't convincing anyone to do anything. You are sitting at home, in front of a TV, wasting time when you can be out in the real world doing these things were people actually look. Third, Dragon Age doesn't represent homosexuals. Where this reasoning came from, I don't know, but I recommend a return to sender and that you file a complaint. Fourth, status quo? What does RPing a gay character in a video game have to do with anything? Will this encourage people to force more gay protagonist because, completely disregarding the rest of their fanbase for the marginally few who only play their games to be gay? Really?

Lots of people care about it, you just don't happen to be one of them. And me buying a game that happens to represent minorities fairly instead of the usual cut & paste mainstream hero-manly man (YARRR LOOK AT MY TESTOSTERONE!) does have real life consequences. Bioware sells millions. By participating in that purchase you're helping to normalize the idea of gay characters participating in mainstream media, whether you want to or not. Picture, if you will, media like this (that represents something other than the dominant identity) being so prevalent in the 1930's. No? Now why do you suppose that is? Representation is important. Visibility is important. Yes I could put on my rainbow tights and go participate in a rally and that would certainly help with visibility, less with the idea of creating an identity that is different but equal and as normal as the dominant one. Me wearing a rainbow badge is not the same as me casually mentioning my bisexual man-**** Hawke to my friends without them batting an eyelash (weeeellll some of them anyway, babysteps.) I realize most people don't buy games specfically to be gay (I don't even do that) but the option exists. That's progress right there, my myopic friend.

This isn't about sublimation or me vicariously living via means of a pixelated ****-scene. It's not a sweeping political gesture or a rousing speech, it's participating in cultural change. Which, while a lot less heroic, is where change actually happens. Now you can deride the idea, and I expect you to continue to do so, because for some bizarre reason that is entirely beyond me those in the mainstream find the idea of a different identity sharing their spotlight absolutely intolerable. But it doesn't really matter. Because it's happening anyway.

I've never said that you shouldn't have the option to be gay. But if you pick a game just because it has the option, and for no other reason, you're defeating the purpose the game was designed for. Why would I argue against people expressing their sexuality? 

[The Xand]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Dragon Age isn't a dating sim nor is it a place to push your real life issues into a media that literally no one else care's about because everyone has their own unique story. Second, if you play games to live out your normal life, go live your normal life. You aren't making a statement. You aren't representing your minority. You aren't convincing anyone to do anything. You are sitting at home, in front of a TV, wasting time when you can be out in the real world doing these things were people actually look. Third, Dragon Age doesn't represent homosexuals. Where this reasoning came from, I don't know, but I recommend a return to sender and that you file a complaint. Fourth, status quo? What does RPing a gay character in a video game have to do with anything? Will this encourage people to force more gay protagonist because, completely disregarding the rest of their fanbase for the marginally few who only play their games to be gay? Really?

Lots of people care about it, you just don't happen to be one of them. And me buying a game that happens to represent minorities fairly instead of the usual cut & paste mainstream hero-manly man (YARRR LOOK AT MY TESTOSTERONE!) does have real life consequences. Bioware sells millions. By participating in that purchase you're helping to normalize the idea of gay characters participating in mainstream media, whether you want to or not. Picture, if you will, media like this (that represents something other than the dominant identity) being so prevalent in the 1930's. No? Now why do you suppose that is? Representation is important. Visibility is important. Yes I could put on my rainbow tights and go participate in a rally and that would certainly help with visibility, less with the idea of creating an identity that is different but equal and as normal as the dominant one. Me wearing a rainbow badge is not the same as me casually mentioning my bisexual man-**** Hawke to my friends without them batting an eyelash (weeeellll some of them anyway, babysteps.) I realize most people don't buy games specfically to be gay (I don't even do that) but the option exists. That's progress right there, my myopic friend.

This isn't about sublimation or me vicariously living via means of a pixelated ****-scene. It's not a sweeping political gesture or a rousing speech, it's participating in cultural change. Which, while a lot less heroic, is where change actually happens. Now you can deride the idea, and I expect you to continue to do so, because for some bizarre reason that is entirely beyond me those in the mainstream find the idea of a different identity sharing their spotlight absolutely intolerable. But it doesn't really matter. Because it's happening anyway.

Foopydoo does have a very strong point when he talks about fair representation in media. Even by just including the gay romances it offers a potential window into that perspective for anyone curious enough to play a gay character, as well as obviously offering appealing romance options to gays themselves. I'm a straight guy, but if I wanted to play through Dragon Age in a fairly radically different way other than being straight up murderously evil then playing someone of a totally different sexuality could prove entertaining. Even if it's just for the lesbian scenes it's still a change of perspective.

Can't say I agree about "living out your normal life" either. My life was pretty sucky for a long while, and after I'd slashed my wrists my mum bought me Dragon Age to cheer me up. Won't say it changed my life, but it cheered me up no end because it offered a fascinating new world to take my mind off of my real world troubles.

[Fiery Phoenix]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

TW3 is releasing around the same time, though. Neither title has a specific release date as of yet, but both are aiming for the same general release window.

I was under the impression that The Witcher 3 was releasing in the spring or summer.

Amazon has a placeholder release date of December 31, 2014, which typically indicates a fall release window (starting around September-ish).

[Ailith Tycane]

MasterScribe wrote...

Mecha Elf wrote...

Ive never been interested in some dude that is already pre made/not mine.

I actually felt something very similar in regards to Hawke. 

I felt the same way about Hawke, but not Shepard...I wonder why that is.

[Xerxes52]

Personally I think this whole "Witcher vs Elder Scrolls vs Dragon Age" argument is akin to the "Battlefield vs Call of Duty vs Halo" fight that rages frequently.

They're all different enough from each other that they shouldn't really be in competition. Each one has a very different style in terms of story, gameplay mechanics, and audio/visuals.

[TurretSyndrome]

I hope this time around, NPCs don't just stand around in Inquisition. Just by looking at the screenshots of Witcher 3, you can see that the developers put a lot of effort into creating a world which has a rich and active environment, not just vast open spaces.

This is what I was wondering while watching the demo of Inquisition. Unless you're in combat, it's always so quiet. People don't work or anything, they just stand there and have these discuss animations or something.

The outside world needs to be dangerous, demons spawning, wild creatures. possessed and unpossessed. The cities and fortresses must be filled with people who talk to each other a lot, are constantly moving about etc.

I don't want to wander in an empty open space, I want it to be dangerous or active to keep my interest. From what I see so far, it seems Witcher 3 is the one that's putting effort into such things.

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 12 novembre 2013 - 08:16 .

[Nightdragon8]

honestly every game is going to be a competitor to DA:I... even the Indie games are a threat to games like this.

[Nohvarr]

Silfren wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless Geralt of Rivia is suddenly down with the man-love, then there's no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry Geralt have only one love Yennefer.

This wonderfully expresses one of my major problems with the Witcher games. Geralt likes these people, I do not. Geralt has  history with these people and I do not. I played all through the Witcher 2 hoping to find a connection that would make me care about the world and it's plight, this discussion has made me realize that I have no such connection, so thank you for that. Looking back on it, the only reason I was going to play TW3, was the monster hunting, and open world nature of the game and since I honestly don't know if that will be enough for me, I will wait for a price drop before picking up TW3.

I mean next year I have Torment: Tides of Numenera, Project Eternity an DA:I coming out so I am good for RPGs.

Read the books.

This. 

Tried, didn't like those either. So that left me hoping to build a connection with the characters that were not in the books, which didn't work out well at all.

[Allan Schumacher]

Going to close this beasty down since it's not really related to DAI.

I'm sure there's a Venn diagram and some people will only buy one or the other, while some will probably play both. I'll probably only buy The Witcher 3 for hopefully obvious reasons


As a general note, please don't overthink why people pick up games that they do. Some have their reasons for preferring one game over the other, and that is valid and in no way invalidates why you will be making different decisions.


It's cool for people to pick up different games for whatever reason they want for whatever reason tickles their fancy because hey, that's the way that it is for them.


Cheers.