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[Argentoid]

tiazgriff wrote...

I don't believe in IT neither, but Remember Leviathan? Talked about the "intelligence" that created the first Reaper for his "solution" from that race, it was Harbringer. The rest, was the result of the cycles, 1 cycle 1 more reaper from the harvest and so on. So I guess Shep wasn't indoctrinated or anything, just dying, and speaking with that "intelligence". Speaking... Listening his bulls**t and actually I believe in that... the catalyst was Sheprad itself. Pretty rough isn't it

You got it all wrong buddy. The intelligence is the Catalyst... its just foreshadowed so they don't spoil the ending for you (for those who didn't finish the game actually).

The Catalyst might be manifesting in the same way the Leviathans did because... well... it i's a Leviathan creation. 

[tiazgriff]

Yeah, but with Shep not talking to him, nothing would have happened so Its a matter of perspective who is the real catalyst ) (bit offtopic now )

Modifié par tiazgriff, 12 novembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[lovesnow]

it was all a dream Anderson,Shepard,illusive man could all be alive and come back for revenge bioware has no imagination at all

[maaaad365]

tiazgriff wrote...

I think sooner or later Bioware will need to continue the current timeline. Maybe it will be two titles after ME3 but it will happen. And there I doubt that they will continue anything but the destroy ending. I explain;

Control: Reapers alive just went back to darkspace, constant threat. Even with everything that Shep's done.
Synthesis: No one would like to live along the humble Reapres with new DNAs. Noone forgives for what they have done, Especially unborn children. Constant threat again. New war incoming.

So that leaves Destroy, where Shep is alive. Would be interesting.

(and maaaad365 I doubt everyone in Cerberus are half-husks only the troopers)

They are all husks, they all have cybernetic implants and control chips. I thought that was obvious. I am talking about the fighting army of Cerberus. The other non-combatants , like lab researchers , could be non-indoctrinated.
But without their troops, Cerberus is just another research company, like Binary Helix.

Modifié par maaaad365, 13 novembre 2013 - 01:56 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, a research company with the means and expertise of indoctrination. And I've always wondered just how hard a Destroy wave would hit implant-users and people with cybernetics. Shepard is implied to survive- why not the Troopers? And just how hard would it be to repair the machines for more indoctrination?

Cerberus indoctrination is like cancer- as long as one lab remains, anyone indoctrinated in it can contribute to more people being indoctrinated, and so the Cerberus ranks could conceivably go from zero (an accidental indoctrination upon scavengers coming across a working facility) to numerous in very short order. It doesn't even need to be humans.


While I wouldn't want them to be a major focus or faction in any sequels, it would be an interesting piece for a story. What does a self-indoctrinating slave army, able to replenish its ranks through more enslavement, do when the masters and controlers have been lost? Do they just keep going on sheer momentum?

[maaaad365]

I agree with you that we don't know how exactly things will turn up in the distant future. The Cerberus cells could re-organize and rebuild their organization.

One thing that I am sure of is that all the husks , including Cerberus fighters , will not survive the destruction ending.We see the husks on Earth dying when the red wave hits them. We also learn in ME 1 , I think that Vigil says this, that when the Reapers left the galaxy at the ending of the Prothean cycle , all their operatives died or lost their ability to think for themselves becoming animals. What I am saying is that the husks are so dependant on their controllers that they cannot survive without Reaper control. The Illusive Man tried to control the troopers , phantoms, engineers etc. with his own version of indoctrination, but in fact it was the Reapers who controlled them. He himself was indoctrinated and didn't know it.

I too would like to see how things turn up in the future , and I am sure that we can see a lot of ex-Cerberus cells play a role in the grander scheme of things. But it won't be the same Cerberus we know in ME3, it will be something like ME1 Cerberus.

Modifié par maaaad365, 13 novembre 2013 - 07:11 .

[tiazgriff]

Cmon maaaad365 Not all husks! Miranda's father wasn't a husk, their researchers weren't husks, and I'm sure they were just as evil as everyone around them

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't really feel the Cerberus troopers can be called husks, though- they certainly don't meet many of the attributes associated with them, at least. They're not made from the dead, they retain sentience, and we even see elements of emotion and individuality in them, not just autonomy. None of that was ever demonstrated by husks.

It's not even that the Reapers controlled the Cerberus troopers- that they didn't was an entire point in Sanctuary. The Reapers controlled TIM, who implanted himself with Reaper tech well into the end-game, but Cerberus troopers weren't under a control-tether of any sort, like the Husks. They are autonomous implant-indoctrination, unlike the Reaper control signal that Cerberus was able to hack to control husks.

[maaaad365]

The guys you fight in Multiplayer as Cerberus are the husks I am referring too. And they form the bulk of Cerberus. Miranda's father was clearly not a husk ! And about being evil I am not so sure since we saw what Cerberus did to their defectors ( the Jacob mission in ME3). Not everyone who joined Cerberus is evil, that includes Shepard. Cerberus has gone completly insane in ME3 due to Reaper indoctrination. They messed with things they couldn't control and gave the Reapers the chance to take over the organization.

[tiazgriff]

lovesnow wrote...

it was all a dream Anderson,Shepard,illusive man could all be alive and come back for revenge bioware has no imagination at all

Well thats what I like to hear Bit of misunderstanding there tho;

In my opinion at the end what you can call rock solid are the pre-rendered videos squeezed into the game from the run-to-the-beam scene.
Everything else is questionable; real, not real, indoctrination or a dream, simply a hallucination and so on...
Based on the above a couple of things are certain, let me sum:
Hackett saying: "Holy ****. He did it." We don't know if it's Shepard or Anderson, and since Destruction ending has a little reward for your choice a scene can be seen where Shepard gets up in London. A pre-rendered video. From all of this it's now on a fact, that Shepard didn't set foot on The Citadel. It must have been Anderson. That's an other question as I said, what happened with TIM and Anderson up there, really happened or not. We are not gonna know. Also the relays were severely damaged, not destroyed, and if we can believe in the Normandy crashing on that planet and as of the Extended cut DLC gets repaired and flies away I assume Crucible damage CAN be repaired on electronics.

So in sum: Anderson opened the Citadel Arms. Half-dead Shepard spoke with that cursed kid (in his mind or wherever, phisycal body stood there under some rubble) and started the new solution either choice he choose. Rest of the squad probably survived I usually believe in Bioware's picture by picture ending closure (like in Dragon Age).

Conclusion: We don't know whether TIM is alive or Dead. Anderson is dead. Shepard dead if didn't choose Destroy. We don't know if Cerberus didn't have an other base somewhere, and like Umbrella corporation, huge companies never die (and Cerberus is big time more massive then Umbrella)

So let me ask again as in my first post: WTHeck are gonna happen with the Reaper bodies

Modifié par tiazgriff, 13 novembre 2013 - 07:47 .

[maaaad365]

The reaper bodies will be scrapped for technology, most likely. Everyone will like a piece of that.

[TTTX]

Cerberus is pretty bad as secret somewhat so called successful terrorist group.

- They slap their logo on everything they own/make, they might as well hold up a giant sign saying "I'm part of secret terrorist come and kill me".

- Most of the projects they do most of the time backfires on them like 99% of the time at least the ones we come to know off.

Bioware didn't think it through when they decided to make Cerberus a bigger part of the ME universe or the writers and artist have no idea what an evil secret organisation.is other then being an plot device for ME2 and ME3.

Modifié par TTTX, 13 novembre 2013 - 08:10 .

[tiazgriff]

maaaad365 yeah I think so as well mhm mhm
TTTX True enough A secret organisation would be in the shadows not boxing everywhere

[McFlurry598]

Cerberus is an idea.

[Goneaviking]

General TSAR wrote...

RatThing wrote...

Cerberus is gone, yo! TIM is gone.

Wrong, Cerberus is an idea and ideas are bullet proof. 

Ideas die when they become obsolete, or are proven unworkable.

The situation that first created Cerberus no longer exists. The anxiety of being the galactic newcomers and outside of the established power structure and faced with a menacing collective of incomprehensible aliens. Post ME3, humanity is well entrenched in the upper echelons of the galactic society and they've recently been the beneficiaries of an unprecedented alliance of races that saved them from extinction.

Of course the human government will seek every edge they can get. But it won't be Cerberus doing it. TIM gutted the organisation in ME3 and ensured that it would be remembered with hatred and distrust not just by the alien races, but also by the human survivors.

Cerberus isn't merely dead. They're an embarassing memory for their one time supporters and a cautionary tale for future generations.

[Big I]

I fully expect Cerberus to rebuild due to one thing: the children from Sanctuary. In the raid on the Cerberus lab where they were studying Reaper info you come across two datapads that show a before and after of a Cerberus troopers' implantation, which they call "integration". On Horizon you come across a datapad that lists rates of "integration" for Sanctuary refugees, and it says 85% of children are integrated. One can only assume those children are still out there, loyal to Cerberus.

Modifié par LookingGlass93, 13 novembre 2013 - 07:12 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

" Cerberus is an idea, which is not so easily destroyed" remember?

Has it occurred to you that fictional characters in video games, especially fictional characters written to be fanatical terrorist nutjobs, could be wrong?

He's not a fanatical terrorist nutjob.

He's an idealist with a vision that I admire and support, and his determination to reach that vision is admirable. 

The universe needs more people like TIM.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I know Cerberus will return in my Shepard's future.

He'll be the one to bring them back with Miranda.

[pelojian]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

On Horizon you come across a datapad that lists rates of "integration" for Sanctuary refugees, and it says 85% of children are integrated. One can only assume those children are still out there, loyal to Cerberus.

There is another datapad on horizion which states those unsuitable for intergration are re-assigned as test subjects (i think genetics tests?) and notes the fatality rate is 100%. so i doubt there are any intergration unsuitable kiddos around.

[Goneaviking]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

" Cerberus is an idea, which is not so easily destroyed" remember?

Has it occurred to you that fictional characters in video games, especially fictional characters written to be fanatical terrorist nutjobs, could be wrong?

He's not a fanatical terrorist nutjob.

He's an idealist with a vision that I admire and support, and his determination to reach that vision is admirable. 

The universe needs more people like TIM.

He was an obsolete demagogue peddling an outmoded ideology that he pursued with amazingly lax standards and a predictably low rate of success.

Admire him all you want, I only wish all the other race warriors had his level of competence.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Goneaviking wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

" Cerberus is an idea, which is not so easily destroyed" remember?

Has it occurred to you that fictional characters in video games, especially fictional characters written to be fanatical terrorist nutjobs, could be wrong?

He's not a fanatical terrorist nutjob.

He's an idealist with a vision that I admire and support, and his determination to reach that vision is admirable. 

The universe needs more people like TIM.

He was an obsolete demagogue peddling an outmoded ideology that he pursued with amazingly lax standards and a predictably low rate of success.

Admire him all you want, I only wish all the other race warriors had his level of competence.

No, I'd rather say his ideology is relevant, justified, and completely noble and noteworthy. I'm a subscriber of it myself.

As for his 'low rate of success', I'll leave you with a link to my thoughts on the matter.

Humanity will move forward with his ideology, and the technology of the Reapers that we've destroyed  will secure for us a strong place in the stars, one where humans can make their own future and setting in the stars. We will incorporate our collectivism with other races but we will establish our own footing in the galaxy as well. That's what will happen in the future of my Shepard. Humanity deserves better representation than what the stalwart alliance has ever given it.

[Dean_the_Young]

The sad thing is, though it never gets called out as such, every Council species more or less vindicates the Cerberus ideology that the aliens would be fair-weather allies at best, and not to be trusted at worst. Between mega-nuke doomsday devices, Salarian bioweapon programs, and Asari technology hoarding while the rest of the galaxy burns until they themselves were threatened, the idea that the Council was largely a group of self-serving, self-interested people who wouldn't stick their neck out for others was... completely correct.

Heck, the Council's entire response to Earth is pretty much exactly the prediction Ashley made in her Bear and Dog analogy. The only reason Shepard was able to get the coalition to come to Earth was because the Citadel, and thus the Crucible Gambit, depended on it.

[Display Name Owner]

Not just Cerberus, I imagine just about every faction in the MEverse will be out to exploit the Reapers' technologies in some way or another, although there might be some out there crying out the same gobbledygook (I don't get many chances to use that word) that Shepard was saying when blowing up the Collector Base. But for the most part, I reckon there would be a mad scramble between the species and organisations trying to set themselves up for the greatest advantage in the rebuilt galaxy.

But for the love of god, don't let it be Cerberus yet again. No, no, please no. It shouldn't happen, because they were wiped out at the end of ME3, but still... I have bad thoughts of them being revived, what with TIM's "Cerberus is an ideal" chatter. I don't even mind the idea of some other group doing the same things, just as long as it's not Humanity-based and their existence and the stuff they do is at least plausible.

[illusive.man]

God bless Humanity
God bless Cerberus
Cerberus is the idea of human supremacy
Cerberus would most likely make a come back after the events of ME3 but under a different name
Wouldn't the remnants of Cerberus try to take advantage of the chaos left after the reapers

[illusive.man]

I want Cerberus to return in ME4
I have heard rumours they will be one of the enemy factions