And why is that? Why, in all societies, all cultures, with a vast array of different 'norms,' is it always considered 'wrong' to murder fellow citizens? You said there is no 'whole humanity'? Well the 'whole humanity' has 'norms' against this. Every culture in existence. Every society in existence. Why is that?KainD wrote...
Because the majority wants to live? I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Modifié par David7204, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:30 .
leaguer of one wrote...
1. Because moral gray mean their moral good and bad ways to see an action. Say personal enjoyment is just being a sociopath. The has to be some grounds of empathy in the action.
leaguer of one wrote...
No, Sith can be seen as evil not sociopath. The sith have reason beyond just personal enjoyment. The drow already see themselves as evil. They already place themselve there. Your missing that consept. A sociopath has no moral ground out side of selfishness. They don't even consider morals. The drow at least do. The sith see there action as good with the nature of the galexy.
David7204 wrote...
And why is that? Why, in all societies, all cultures, with a vast array of different 'norms,' is it always considered 'wrong' to murder fellow citizens? You said there is no 'whole humanity'? Well the 'whole humanity' has 'norms' against this. Every culture in existence. Every society in existence. Why is that?
Modifié par David7204, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:34 .
The issue here is that the person does not empathies what others feel. It's hard to have a morality with out being able to have empathy.KainD wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
1. Because moral gray mean their moral good and bad ways to see an action. Say personal enjoyment is just being a sociopath. The has to be some grounds of empathy in the action.
Yes empathy - I can totally understand how a person might enjoy the suffering of others.
It's not. It's called being a sociopath. It's a lack of morals.KainD wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
No, Sith can be seen as evil not sociopath. The sith have reason beyond just personal enjoyment. The drow already see themselves as evil. They already place themselve there. Your missing that consept. A sociopath has no moral ground out side of selfishness. They don't even consider morals. The drow at least do. The sith see there action as good with the nature of the galexy.
Being selfish is a morality in and of it's self.
Killing for wealth and killing to survive are not the same thing.KainD wrote...
David7204 wrote...
And why is that? Why, in all societies, all cultures, with a vast array of different 'norms,' is it always considered 'wrong' to murder fellow citizens? You said there is no 'whole humanity'? Well the 'whole humanity' has 'norms' against this. Every culture in existence. Every society in existence. Why is that?
The fact that everybody wants to live doesn't make killing wrong. A lion wants to live, but goes and slaughters a gazelle.
People through out all history have killed each other for wealth and better life, and killed to survive.
leaguer of one wrote...
The issue here is that the person does not empathies what others feel. It's hard to have a morality with out being able to have empathy.
David7204 wrote...
Did I say anything about everyone wanting to live? No. I never mentioned that. I said that all societies, all cultures, consider murder wrong. Every one. So tell me why that is. You just admitted it's not because everyone wants to live. So why is it?
leaguer of one wrote...
It's not. It's called being a sociopath. It's a lack of morals.
Modifié par KainD, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:39 .
Icy Magebane wrote...
Killing for wealth and killing to survive are not the same thing.
KainD wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Did I say anything about everyone wanting to live? No. I never mentioned that. I said that all societies, all cultures, consider murder wrong. Every one. So tell me why that is. You just admitted it's not because everyone wants to live. So why is it?
It is because most people want security, and try to make their existence as safe as possible. Next question...
Because that person I'm told to understand in not trying to understand others. The importance is not my morality, it's that indivisuals. If that person does not have empathy or is capable of understanding others then that person clearly has no morals. They are a sociopath.KainD wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
The issue here is that the person does not empathies what others feel. It's hard to have a morality with out being able to have empathy.
Why can't you undesrstand the concept of UNDERSTANDING what others feel but simply not giving a damn?
No it's not. People can easily kill others for wealth and not even need that wealth to servive. In most case they are just doing to to make sure they can still live comfertly.KainD wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
Killing for wealth and killing to survive are not the same thing.
No, it's exactly the same.
David7204 wrote...
No. You just said that wasn't it. You just said, word for word, that people wanting to survive doesn't make killing wrong. So that obviously can't be the reason, can it? So what's the reason?
leaguer of one wrote...
If that person does not have empathy or is capable of understanding others then that person clearly has no morals.
We went over this. The standarsd of behavior is set by a group. A group inheritly has right and wrong things to do set by the indivisual of said group.KainD wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
It's not. It's called being a sociopath. It's a lack of morals.
What are morals then? It's the standards of behavior - and everyone has them.
Modifié par David7204, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:45 .
Not If they are tormeting others for fun.KainD wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
If that person does not have empathy or is capable of understanding others then that person clearly has no morals.
The person IS capable of UNDERSTANDING others, but that doesn't stop him/her from torturing them for fun anyway. What now?
leaguer of one wrote...
No it's not. People can easily kill others for wealth and not even need that wealth to servive. In most case they are just doing to to make sure they can still live comfertly.
leaguer of one wrote...
We went over this. The standarsd of behavior is set by a group. A group inheritly has right and wrong things to do set by the indivisual of said group.
David7204 wrote...
You tell me 'People don't consider killing wrong.'
And yet juries, when given the complete and total power to punish or release a murder with no fear of penalties or retribution, still find murderers guilty. Could you explain that for me?
AresKeith wrote...
This thread has turned into three people arguing lol
Modifié par KainD, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:51 .
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