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#126
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David7204 wrote...

Utterly awful idea. That much weight should never be given to apparently benign interrupts.


We already have that in-game so your point is moot.

And this idea surrounds a DLC that checks whether or not you watched a video to unlock a bonus conversation.


HYR 2.0 wrote...

easiest fix is to replace with Shiala in ME1, recruiting an actual commando to fight as opposed to an archeologist.


That is just silly.



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Modifié par HYR 2.0, 13 novembre 2013 - 08:43 .


#127
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wolfhowwl wrote...

Oh my God. I read Julia's blogs and found this.

David7204 wrote...

Well, I guess I'm yet again going to be the black sheep and say this is garbage.

It's garbage. This insinuation of 'BioWare sucks at plots but it doesn't matter as long as I get my happy ending' is garbage.

Frankly, it irritates me that happy endings have to be defended by crap arguments like this. The sheer hypocrisy of complaining about 'ass pulls' and then whining about Thane dying. The sheer absurdity of making ridiculous proclamations of why Shepard's survival was kept ambiguous when far more reasonable explanations exist. The sheer incompetence of making accusations of bad writing, Mary Sues, 'comic book heroes'...this continual stream of insults that Mass Effect is a below average story by below average writers.

I'm going to judge this post with the same criteria I would judge content in the game by.

You despite Walters. But you ought you to hate yourself just as much. You deserve it. You suck. You suck at what you're doing. This post is rubbish, and I would fire you in an instant if you were in a paid position making content like this. In your hypocrisy and incompetence, you've dragged down what Mass Effect stands for every bit as much as the endings. The endings will always be far louder than a lowly blog post on a forum, but the messages are comparable.

'Happy endings are for stupid people. Mass Effect and stories like it are silly little stories full of quirky characters - when you want REAL stories with actual plots go enjoy blah blah blah - stupid silly stories like Mass Effect don't need them.'

The truth is this - Shepard is loved and respected and cherished because of his or her heroism in fighting the Reapers. Yes, heroism. Heroism that could never exist without such a conflict but ultimately could exist without the supporting characters. The truth is that plots matter a great deal. The truth is that while Mass Effect certainly has it's share of problems, it's overwhelmingly a very well written story. The truth is that any ideas that any story of significant length that deals with any but the most mundane content doesn't have significant problems of it's own are delusional fantasies.

I'm ashamed to have you speak on behalf of me. On behalf of Shepard.


Epic, simply epic.



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Modifié par HYR 2.0, 13 novembre 2013 - 08:46 .


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wolfhowwl wrote...

I would have liked it if the Drell were a new species from the Terminus Systems instead of servants of the Hanar that we somehow never heard about in ME1.


Or that 2/3rds of them weren't a daddy issues combo and another a fluff DLC/comic character.

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Oh my God. I read Julia's blogs and found this.

David7204 wrote...

Well, I guess I'm yet again going to be the black sheep and say this is garbage.

It's garbage. This insinuation of 'BioWare sucks at plots but it doesn't matter as long as I get my happy ending' is garbage.

Frankly, it irritates me that happy endings have to be defended by crap arguments like this. The sheer hypocrisy of complaining about 'ass pulls' and then whining about Thane dying. The sheer absurdity of making ridiculous proclamations of why Shepard's survival was kept ambiguous when far more reasonable explanations exist. The sheer incompetence of making accusations of bad writing, Mary Sues, 'comic book heroes'...this continual stream of insults that Mass Effect is a below average story by below average writers.

I'm going to judge this post with the same criteria I would judge content in the game by.

You despite Walters. But you ought you to hate yourself just as much. You deserve it. You suck. You suck at what you're doing. This post is rubbish, and I would fire you in an instant if you were in a paid position making content like this. In your hypocrisy and incompetence, you've dragged down what Mass Effect stands for every bit as much as the endings. The endings will always be far louder than a lowly blog post on a forum, but the messages are comparable.

'Happy endings are for stupid people. Mass Effect and stories like it are silly little stories full of quirky characters - when you want REAL stories with actual plots go enjoy blah blah blah - stupid silly stories like Mass Effect don't need them.'

The truth is this - Shepard is loved and respected and cherished because of his or her heroism in fighting the Reapers. Yes, heroism. Heroism that could never exist without such a conflict but ultimately could exist without the supporting characters. The truth is that plots matter a great deal. The truth is that while Mass Effect certainly has it's share of problems, it's overwhelmingly a very well written story. The truth is that any ideas that any story of significant length that deals with any but the most mundane content doesn't have significant problems of it's own are delusional fantasies.

I'm ashamed to have you speak on behalf of me. On behalf of Shepard.


Epic, simply epic.



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 ^^^ ... and after three cycles, both .gifs do it in unison, too -- LMAO!!

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David's asperger fueled rant is hilarious.

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Good lord, this kid is concentrated autism.

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Kazanth wrote...

I don't know what I'd do with Thane... scrap him I guess? I'd change so much about him that he wouldn't even be recognizable and it's not like removing him would be a great loss. The only "role" he really fills is being the third male LI in ME2, and honestly, I don't think he even does that well. Nothing gets me more turned on than a talking frog with a severe case of Carth Syndrome :?


Thane's voice actor is miles better than Rafael Sbarge tbh.

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

 ^^^ ... and after three cycles, both .gifs do it in unison, too -- LMAO!!


LOL I got a kick out of that.

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Seboist wrote...

David's asperger fueled rant is hilarious.


Julia always gets under his skin and it is wonderful. =]

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billy the squid wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Oh my God. I read Julia's blogs and found this.

David7204 wrote...

Well, I guess I'm yet again going to be the black sheep and say this is garbage.

It's garbage. This insinuation of 'BioWare sucks at plots but it doesn't matter as long as I get my happy ending' is garbage.

Frankly, it irritates me that happy endings have to be defended by crap arguments like this. The sheer hypocrisy of complaining about 'ass pulls' and then whining about Thane dying. The sheer absurdity of making ridiculous proclamations of why Shepard's survival was kept ambiguous when far more reasonable explanations exist. The sheer incompetence of making accusations of bad writing, Mary Sues, 'comic book heroes'...this continual stream of insults that Mass Effect is a below average story by below average writers.

I'm going to judge this post with the same criteria I would judge content in the game by.

You despite Walters. But you ought you to hate yourself just as much. You deserve it. You suck. You suck at what you're doing. This post is rubbish, and I would fire you in an instant if you were in a paid position making content like this. In your hypocrisy and incompetence, you've dragged down what Mass Effect stands for every bit as much as the endings. The endings will always be far louder than a lowly blog post on a forum, but the messages are comparable.

'Happy endings are for stupid people. Mass Effect and stories like it are silly little stories full of quirky characters - when you want REAL stories with actual plots go enjoy blah blah blah - stupid silly stories like Mass Effect don't need them.'

The truth is this - Shepard is loved and respected and cherished because of his or her heroism in fighting the Reapers. Yes, heroism. Heroism that could never exist without such a conflict but ultimately could exist without the supporting characters. The truth is that plots matter a great deal. The truth is that while Mass Effect certainly has it's share of problems, it's overwhelmingly a very well written story. The truth is that any ideas that any story of significant length that deals with any but the most mundane content doesn't have significant problems of it's own are delusional fantasies.

I'm ashamed to have you speak on behalf of me. On behalf of Shepard.


Epic, simply epic.



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You're doing it wrong.

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Hmm...have them not suck as human beings.

I mean really, NOBODY stays around to support Shepard, or at least contacts Shep prior to the Reaper invasion? Okay...they were busy...

Liara's on Mars, but doesn't bother calling...hmmm...too busy being uncharacteristically like a gangster I guess...

Jacob's busy cheating on FemShep b/c he hasn't seen her in 6 months...sounds logical. The man's a boring tool...

Set up Kai Leng and James Vega in Mass Effect 2, both as honorable and capable badasses. Otherwise, they aren't worthy additions. You can't compare these newbies to an established canon that's had over 5 years to live in the fans' minds.

Don't have Cortez and Traynor be the token LGBT throw-ins who have the romantic development of animals in heat (outside of romance, they are fine as throwaways).

Kal Reegar...just have him in ME3...that is it...just have him in it. Like Emily Wong...you don't kill interesting character pieces in freaking e-mails and meta-game tweets. At least to a video news feed to add heart, give their characters some scene to chew.

Javik...make him less of a jerk. I dunno how, but maybe have a loyalty mission tied to taking down the Reapers. Just something besides this genocidal bigot whom I'd eject out the airlock at first opportunity.

All this makes me sound bitter at BW. I'm not, as I'd hardly be this amped up for material that didn't absolutely deserve it. It's just fanboyism. Some people hate Aeris...not because she's a bad character, but because they prefer that Cloud end up with Tifa.

I dislike James Vega or Jacob Taylor...not because they're bad people, but because they'll never be as cool as Garrus and any of the interesting/meaty characters. Thus, seeing them alongside the more dynamic characters is an eyesore.

From a gameplay standpoint, Vega was an amazing addition. Did I ever use him? No. Why should I care about him? What makes him worthy of standing alongside titans that have proven themselves in either previous game?

Moreover, why should he be given a spot when others weren't? I'd much rather any of the suicide squad over Vega. It's like the NBA Dream Team debates over players who should have made the cut, but never did.

Make the staler characters more interesting, make them dynamic, give them grit and drama to define them, make them capable but show them as flawed. Most importantly, make them sympathetic by striking the proper balance of all these factors.

Hell, Mordin had more of an emotional effect in ME3 with 2 scenes than half the rest of the cast put together. Why? because of all the hard work that went into establishing him in ME2.

Why are Garrus/Tali/Wrex so awesome? Because of all the character development in that "boring" buildup hour or so on the Citadel in ME1.

Conversely, everything that Kaidan/Ashley did in ME1 was completely undermined by what happened in ME2. Their behavior, and lack of catharsis, in ME3 pretty much left me with nothing but hatred for them (Ash more so than Kaidan).

If I ever play the trilogy again, that ho is burning on Virmire, even with male Shepards.

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MassivelyEffective0730

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All I have to say is that Julia, you broke David's brain. Excellent work. It's so.... satisfying when you can do it!

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BioWareMod03

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This thread has taken a bad turn, closing it now :)