Oh, I agree entirely. The use of a phylactery is paramount at this point in time. The future might negate the need for their use, but they are definitely needed right now.hhh89 wrote...
@eluvianix: I don't think is that common either, in truth. But I don't think mabari might substitute that well phylacteries, as well.
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Indeed. Though I wonder what will happen to the Phylacteries in the circles, and which faction will have them.eluvianix wrote...
Oh, I agree entirely. The use of a phylactery is paramount at this point in time. The future might negate the need for their use, but they are definitely needed right now.hhh89 wrote...
@eluvianix: I don't think is that common either, in truth. But I don't think mabari might substitute that well phylacteries, as well.
If the use of phylacteries were ever given to the mages to regulate, probably the Loyalists, at least in the beginning. Just like if there were to be mages inducted into the Templars. The Loyalists would be the best place to start.hhh89 wrote...
Indeed. Though I wonder what will happen to the Phylacteries in the circles, and which faction will have them.eluvianix wrote...
Oh, I agree entirely. The use of a phylactery is paramount at this point in time. The future might negate the need for their use, but they are definitely needed right now.hhh89 wrote...
@eluvianix: I don't think is that common either, in truth. But I don't think mabari might substitute that well phylacteries, as well.
Indeed. The Apprentice ones are held in the Tower, the enchanters are somewhere else in the country. In Ferelden, they were within the Grand Cleric's purview in Denerim, in an undisclosed location. However, those belonging to First Enchanters are kept in the White Spire, in Val Royeaux.BlueMagitek wrote...
It was mentioned in DA:O that only Apprentice Phylacteries are stored at the Circle, so they're probably in the hands of the Templar or the Chantry.
hhh89 wrote...
@Lord Raijin: I didn't say that non-mages are innocent poddlers, or that they can't be dangerous.
The abilities of a single (skilled) mage are still greater and more dangerous than a single Crow. We have to agree to disagree on the topic of mages being or not more dangerous than non-mages.
As for mabari, they don't allow the same utility of Phylacteries. A mabari can lose a mage. A phylactery doesn't lose the mage.
Mages and non mages are equally prone to violence. The problem is that mages have the capacity to do a lot more harm when they are in the mood to blow sh*t up.Lord Raijin wrote...
hhh89 wrote...
@Lord Raijin: I didn't say that non-mages are innocent poddlers, or that they can't be dangerous.
The abilities of a single (skilled) mage are still greater and more dangerous than a single Crow. We have to agree to disagree on the topic of mages being or not more dangerous than non-mages.
As for mabari, they don't allow the same utility of Phylacteries. A mabari can lose a mage. A phylactery doesn't lose the mage.
Base on what was presented to me in the game clearly indicates that mundanes are more prone to violent acts than the mages. Look at Fort Drakon. I don't think I need to submit evidence of death and torture caused by the non-mages to explain my point. This is the reason why I refuse to coddle the non-mages. They're not as innocent as people think they are.
As a dog trainer dogs can be vital when it comes to searching for suspects who fled the area. It is why police departments heavily depends on these animals track down their criminals. Their sense of smell is 100x stronger than ours, especially blood hounds. The key element is that the suspects produces a scene that is very much like a prey animal who is running for it's life. That scent attracts the predator (the K9 ) to the prey (Suspect), and therefour tracks it down.
The Mabari could easily replace phylactery procedures. All you need is a piece of clothing or anything that belongs to the mage, and allow them to smell it to get their scent.
eluvianix wrote...
Mages and non mages are equally prone to violence. The problem is that mages have the capacity to do a lot more harm when they are in the mood to blow sh*t up.Lord Raijin wrote...
Base on what was presented to me in the game clearly indicates that mundanes are more prone to violent acts than the mages. Look at Fort Drakon. I don't think I need to submit evidence of death and torture caused by the non-mages to explain my point. This is the reason why I refuse to coddle the non-mages. They're not as innocent as people think they are.
eluvianix wrote...
Mages and non mages are equally prone to violence. The problem is that mages have the capacity to do a lot more harm when they are in the mood to blow sh*t up.
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Mages and non mages are equally prone to violence. The problem is that mages have the capacity to do a lot more harm when they are in the mood to blow sh*t up.
At least we can come into an arrangement that both parties are prone to violence. Certainly mages do have the capacity to do harm like blowing **** up, but a highly skilled archer like Sebastian could easily drive an arrow to the mages head thus killing him instantly.
mindblast him to commit suicide, © boil his blood. (God, I wish I could have any of these to him in the game).
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Mages and non mages are equally prone to violence. The problem is that mages have the capacity to do a lot more harm when they are in the mood to blow sh*t up.
At least we can come into an arrangement that both parties are prone to violence. Certainly mages do have the capacity to do harm like blowing **** up, but a highly skilled archer like Sebastian could easily drive an arrow to the mages head thus killing him instantly.
Yes, and the K9 will also build a boat and pursue the suspect across the ocean.................Lord Raijin wrote...
hhh89 wrote...
@Lord Raijin: I didn't say that non-mages are innocent poddlers, or that they can't be dangerous.
The abilities of a single (skilled) mage are still greater and more dangerous than a single Crow. We have to agree to disagree on the topic of mages being or not more dangerous than non-mages.
As for mabari, they don't allow the same utility of Phylacteries. A mabari can lose a mage. A phylactery doesn't lose the mage.
Base on what was presented to me in the game clearly indicates that mundanes are more prone to violent acts than the mages. Look at Fort Drakon. I don't think I need to submit evidence of death and torture caused by the non-mages to explain my point. This is the reason why I refuse to coddle the non-mages. They're not as innocent as people think they are.
As a dog trainer dogs can be vital when it comes to searching for suspects who fled the area. It is why police departments heavily depends on these animals track down their criminals. Their sense of smell is 100x stronger than ours, especially blood hounds. The key element is that the suspects produces a scene that is very much like a prey animal who is running for it's life. That scent attracts the predator (the K9 ) to the prey (Suspect), and therefour tracks it down.
The Mabari could easily replace phylactery procedures. All you need is a piece of clothing or anything that belongs to the mage, and allow them to smell it to get their scent.
eluvianix wrote...
If a mage doesn't snap his finger and make Sebastian (A) explode on command, (
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yes, and the K9 will also build a boat and pursue the suspect across the ocean.................
Lord Raijin wrote...
Aren't you suppose to be an enchanter in order to join a fraternity?
You're Inquisitor by survivng the original Veil tearing, I think. Nothing more.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Aren't you suppose to be an enchanter in order to join a fraternity?
Yes, you do. But if we are Circle mage, we will probably be of a high level already to be given the rank of Inquisitor.
If the Veil tear did happen at a peace conference, like the leaked survey suggested, I would assume that it would be mostly enchanter or first enchanter present, at least. So I am betting that we are at least of enchanter rank.Br3ad wrote...
You're Inquisitor by survivng the original Veil tearing, I think. Nothing more.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Aren't you suppose to be an enchanter in order to join a fraternity?
Yes, you do. But if we are Circle mage, we will probably be of a high level already to be given the rank of Inquisitor.
hhh89 wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
hhh89 wrote...
Thanks for the explanation. I really don't see the arm with this use of blood. Finn probably doesn't know blood magic. If this is all the knowledge Finn has about blood used in magic, he's not a blood mage.
Oh, Finn is probably the furthest thing from a blood mage.
Yeah, I remember reading the wikia about him when WH came out. I agree with your opinion.
eluvianix wrote...
If the Veil tear did happen at a peace conference, like the leaked survey suggested, I would assume that it would be mostly enchanter or first enchanter present, at least. So I am betting that we are at least of enchanter rank.Br3ad wrote...
You're Inquisitor by survivng the original Veil tearing, I think. Nothing more.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Aren't you suppose to be an enchanter in order to join a fraternity?
Yes, you do. But if we are Circle mage, we will probably be of a high level already to be given the rank of Inquisitor.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Perhabs but the man with a sword could very well easily dodge the flame throwing guy weapon until the fuel vanishes. I can see the flamethrower win if he has the man cornered with nowhere to hide.
Finn disputes that though, saying that what he does technically isn't blood magic, but that someone less discerning might label it as such anyway.dragonflight288 wrote...
Oh I don't deny that Finn is the furthest from being a blood mage as you can possibly be. He's a scholar more than anything, and he faints at the sight of his own blood. But the point I was making, and the Warden can make it as well, that what Finn does using her blood as a component in the spell despite it not powering a thing, makes it qualify as blood magic according to the Chantry's interpretation.
For what point and purpose? So far blood magic has proven effective at one thing, and one thing only, and that is the imprisonment of ancient Darkspawn. Otherwise blood magic has not proven capable of anything that conventional magic can't do.dragonflight288 wrote...
I was simply pointint out that there's far more to blood magic than mind control and summoning demons, and I think those parts of blood magic don't need to be banned, but any practitioner needs to be licensed accordingly (no one under the rank of Senior Enchanter may qualify) and the mage in turn must also agree to be open to much more thourough investigations and observations because of how inherently dangerous blood magic can be, and how easy it makes it for the mage to find shortcuts since they no longer need lyrium for their complicated rituals.
Possibly sensing demons in someone's blood (though this might just require knowledge of demons). Tracking lost people if you have their blood. Very long-term preservation of damaged tissue. Probably more applications.For what point and purpose? So far blood magic has proven effective at one thing, and one thing only, and that is the imprisonment of ancient Darkspawn. Otherwise blood magic has not proven capable of anything that conventional magic can't do.
1. We can call bull**** on that, since if what Merrill does actually works, then why would no one else know about it? Not even Tevinters who are big on demon association knows about this.Xilizhra wrote...
Possibly sensing demons in someone's blood (though this might just require knowledge of demons). Tracking lost people if you have their blood. Very long-term preservation of damaged tissue. Probably more applications.For what point and purpose? So far blood magic has proven effective at one thing, and one thing only, and that is the imprisonment of ancient Darkspawn. Otherwise blood magic has not proven capable of anything that conventional magic can't do.
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