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[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Redemption was a terrible series. I refuse to acknowledge that crap as real canon.

Not disagreeing on how it was horrible, but it IS canon. There are some parts of the DA canon I consider garbage, but I still have to accept them.

Like for instance some of the comics that acted as a prequel to DAO, or how the Stolen Throne was written.

Dang. I literally just bought the book yesterday. Is it that bad?

Stolen Throne is not a bad book. In fact I'm almost half way into it. I was heavily persuaded by some people here on this very same thread to read Asunder, and that I did, and I've abandoned the book until I finish reading Asunder (I'm currently on  chapter as we speak).

Yeah, I will personally vouch to say that I loved Asunder, especially the way they portray the mage and templar conflict.

[TEWR]

Well poo. Looks like I just wasted my money.smilie

As I said, you should read it and form your own opinion. Know that I'm a very finicky person who appreciates complexity, war, and political intrigue so that probably factors into why I didn't like it. I know some people that liked it or even loved it.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:10 .

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Redemption was a terrible series. I refuse to acknowledge that crap as real canon.

Not disagreeing on how it was horrible, but it IS canon. There are some parts of the DA canon I consider garbage, but I still have to accept them.

Like for instance some of the comics that acted as a prequel to DAO, or how the Stolen Throne was written.

Dang. I literally just bought the book yesterday. Is it that bad?

It's not good IMO -- though your opinion should be your own, so don't let what I'm about to say color your judgment too much.

I found it to be scarce on action, with no decent understanding of war, and Loghain is written in such a way that I want to throttle him because he comes off as moronic regarding politics more then he did in DAO. In DAO, he was bad but had at least some grasp of it. In the book, his ideas of what makes a king are atrocious.

Maric is a buffoon, and not a very lovable one, in how he acts. Some of what he does I can excuse or justify or at least not condemn against him solely, but still...

The Stolen Throne is essentially shallow on the plot of the rebellion and heavy on unresolved sexual tension and angst and lunacy. Which while I have no problem with angst, should not come at the expense of the story.

There are good moments, though. But I definitely wasn't a fan of the book after reading it, and recent discussions I've had on it have pointed out other flaws with it.

Well poo. Looks like I just wasted my money.

Sorry to hear that.

I'm sure you'll prefer the Calling, however. It gives a very real possibility that Alistair was lied to about his parentage, unless you've already read it.

It also gives Loghain a perfectly logical reason to distrust all the Wardens.

[TEWR]

Yes, the Calling was a book I enjoyed immensely.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Redemption was a terrible series. I refuse to acknowledge that crap as real canon.

Not disagreeing on how it was horrible, but it IS canon. There are some parts of the DA canon I consider garbage, but I still have to accept them.

Like for instance some of the comics that acted as a prequel to DAO, or how the Stolen Throne was written.

Dang. I literally just bought the book yesterday. Is it that bad?

It's not good IMO -- though your opinion should be your own, so don't let what I'm about to say color your judgment too much.

I found it to be scarce on action, with no decent understanding of war, and Loghain is written in such a way that I want to throttle him because he comes off as moronic regarding politics more then he did in DAO. In DAO, he was bad but had at least some grasp of it. In the book, his ideas of what makes a king are atrocious.

Maric is a buffoon, and not a very lovable one, in how he acts. Some of what he does I can excuse or justify or at least not condemn against him solely, but still...

The Stolen Throne is essentially shallow on the plot of the rebellion and heavy on unresolved sexual tension and angst and lunacy. Which while I have no problem with angst, should not come at the expense of the story.

There are good moments, though. But I definitely wasn't a fan of the book after reading it, and recent discussions I've had on it have pointed out other flaws with it.

Well poo. Looks like I just wasted my money.

Sorry to hear that.

I'm sure you'll prefer the Calling, however. It gives a very real possibility that Alistair was lied to about his parentage, unless you've already read it.

It also gives Loghain a perfectly logical reason to distrust all the Wardens.

I have not read the Calling unfortunately. It is on my list of books to read on Christmas break. Did you prefer the Calling to Asunder?

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Redemption was a terrible series. I refuse to acknowledge that crap as real canon.

Not disagreeing on how it was horrible, but it IS canon. There are some parts of the DA canon I consider garbage, but I still have to accept them.

Like for instance some of the comics that acted as a prequel to DAO, or how the Stolen Throne was written.

Dang. I literally just bought the book yesterday. Is it that bad?

Stolen Throne is not a bad book. In fact I'm almost half way into it. I was heavily persuaded by some people here on this very same thread to read Asunder, and that I did, and I've abandoned the book until I finish reading Asunder (I'm currently on  chapter as we speak).

Yeah, I will personally vouch to say that I loved Asunder, especially the way they portray the mage and templar conflict.

It is no wonder that you liked since book is entirely about kicking templars ignoring that mages are dangerous to entire world what is funny that they kicked templars as far they could and they still have better reputation.

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Yes, the Calling was a book I enjoyed immensely.

How was it in comparison to Asunder? Because I loved Asunder.

[Hellion Rex]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

It is no wonder that you liked since book is entirely about kicking templars ignoring that mages are dangerous to entire world what is funny that they kicked templars as far they could and they still have better reputation.

Meh. I like watching mages get the upper hand in a system where it is difficult to feel like they are more than just a danger.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...
Yeah, I will personally vouch to say that I loved Asunder, especially the way they portray the mage and templar conflict.

The Divine was once on my ok list now back on my special list after what she did with Pharamond either on chapter 16 or 17... between it.


Go Libertarians (for now)!

[The Elder King]

@Thekomandorshepard: actually, from what I heard, Asunder shows well the danger of mages/magic. One of Gaider's tumblr post about mages and templars was a response to a person that asked why the book portrayed well this aspect and the games didn't.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Yeah, I will personally vouch to say that I loved Asunder, especially the way they portray the mage and templar conflict.

The Divine was once on my ok list now back on my special list after what she did with Pharamond either on chapter 16 or 17... between it.


Go Libertarians (for now)!

Keep on trucking. I will say that I was not a fan of that decision, but I feel Justinia somewhat makes up for it in the end.

Modifié par eluvianix, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:21 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@Thekomandorshepard: actually, from what I heard, Asunder shows well the danger of mages/magic. One of Gaider's tumblr post about mages and templars was a response to a person that asked why the book portrayed well this aspect and the games didn't.

It was indeed interesting, particularly because we have a templar perspective and point of view as well as that of a mage. And I liked the contrast between Wynne and Adrian.

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

It is no wonder that you liked since book is entirely about kicking templars ignoring that mages are dangerous to entire world what is funny that they kicked templars as far they could and they still have better reputation.

Meh. I like watching mages get the upper hand in a system where it is difficult to feel like they are more than just a danger.

Are they something more than danger? That same can be said about nuclear bomb and now mages are great part of destruction of the world as they always been so upper hand is a way exaggerated due that they are about lost.



 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Yeah, I will personally vouch to say that I loved Asunder, especially the way they portray the mage and templar conflict.

The Divine was once on my ok list now back on my special list after what she did with Pharamond either on chapter 16 or 17... between it.


Go Libertarians (for now)!

Keep on trucking. I will say that I was not a fan of that decision (try not to put too many spoilers on here for those that haven't read), but I feel Justinia somewhat makes up for it in the end.

She can't make up for what she did. It was both unethically and inhumane wrong. In fact it proved just poor of a leader she is to the Chanty. Of course I'm not going to explain why due to spoiler alert

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:22 .

[Hellion Rex]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

It is no wonder that you liked since book is entirely about kicking templars ignoring that mages are dangerous to entire world what is funny that they kicked templars as far they could and they still have better reputation.

Meh. I like watching mages get the upper hand in a system where it is difficult to feel like they are more than just a danger.

Are they something more than danger? That same can be said about nuclear bomb and now mages are great part of destruction of the world as they always been so upper hand is a way exaggerated due that they are about lost.

I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Yeah, I will personally vouch to say that I loved Asunder, especially the way they portray the mage and templar conflict.

The Divine was once on my ok list now back on my special list after what she did with Pharamond either on chapter 16 or 17... between it.


Go Libertarians (for now)!

Keep on trucking. I will say that I was not a fan of that decision (try not to put too many spoilers on here for those that haven't read), but I feel Justinia somewhat makes up for it in the end.

She can't make up for what she did. It was both unethically and inhumane wrong. In fact it proved just poor of a leader she is to the Chanty. Of course I'm not going to explain why due to spoiler alert

Keep reading. You will understand what I am talking about when you finish.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

It was indeed interesting, particularly because we have a templar perspective and point of view as well as that of a mage. And I liked the contrast between Wynne and Adrian.

I'd imagine so. I think I'm going to buy it eventually to form my own opinion about the characters, since there are different views about them. I'll probably buy it together with the Calling and the Masked Empire when it'll come out.

@TheKomandorshepard: mages aren't just dangerous thing. They are people. Regardless of the side you support, it's just wrong to consider them nothing more than dangerous.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.

And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

It is no wonder that you liked since book is entirely about kicking templars ignoring that mages are dangerous to entire world what is funny that they kicked templars as far they could and they still have better reputation.

Meh. I like watching mages get the upper hand in a system where it is difficult to feel like they are more than just a danger.

Are they something more than danger? That same can be said about nuclear bomb and now mages are great part of destruction of the world as they always been so upper hand is a way exaggerated due that they are about lost.

I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.

So what thedas is dark place and that was from the beginning of the first game everyone is screwd outside nobles so that mages cry is pathetic they aren't normal humans and thats what doom them is ther emotions feelings etc they brought that on themselves as well that they are mages.And nope everyone else in thead won't go into rampage when go for bread destroying city.  

hhh89 wrote...

@Thekomandorshepard: actually, from what I
heard, Asunder shows well the danger of mages/magic. One of Gaider's
tumblr post about mages and templars was a response to a person that
asked why the book portrayed well this aspect and the games didn't.

To be honest book is about how templars are sadist and fanatics well i
don't care because they are but they ignored totally that mages are
dangerous only moment is with attempt assassination mages are shown as
"good guys" and templar "bad guys" excluding Adrian.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:31 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

It was indeed interesting, particularly because we have a templar perspective and point of view as well as that of a mage. And I liked the contrast between Wynne and Adrian.

I'd imagine so. I think I'm going to buy it eventually to form my own opinion about the characters, since there are different views about them. I'll probably buy it together with the Calling and the Masked Empire when it'll come out.

Oh I am sorry, I didn't mean to spoil you. Yes, you should definitely read the novel, I think most people here enjoyed it immensely. You should indeed make your own opinion of the characters .

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.

And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.

I entirely agree. However, in light of that, when dealing with mages, you have to step very carefully, because they are still people, even with all of that power.

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.

And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.

I entirely agree. However, in light of that, when dealing with mages, you have to step very carefully, because they are still people, even with all of that power.

peoples die for much smaller things or even without reason deal with it is normal treat them as bomb that you need disarm

[The Elder King]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

To be honest book is about how templars are sadist and fanatics well i don't care because they are but they ignored totally that they are dangerous only moment is with attempt assassination mages are shown as "good guys" and templar "bad guys" excluding Adrian.
 

I can't judge their role because I didn't read it. I know only about Lambert and Evangeline, and the opinion of those two (as the rest of the cast) is different based on the person's side. I'll judge both side's role in the book after I read it. My post was just a references of people that read the book and believe that the latter portrayed the danger of mages better than the games.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Meh, I found Asunder to be worthwhile, but it certainly wasn't neutral in its depiction of the conflict. Only people who are already knowledgable about the pre-existing lore, will find any sort of sympathy for the Templars in Asunder. A newcomer to the lore will always sympathize with the mages after reading Asunder. After all, when ALL the protagonists in a story take one side, you tend to gravitate towards the same side.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.

And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.

I entirely agree. However, in light of that, when dealing with mages, you have to step very carefully, because they are still people, even with all of that power.

Part of the disconnect also comes from mages seeing people as inferior.