eluvianix wrote...
Oh I am sorry, I didn't mean to spoil you. Yes, you should definitely read the novel, I think most people here enjoyed it immensely. You should indeed make your own opinion of the characters .
hhh89 wrote...
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
To be honest book is about how templars are sadist and fanatics well i don't care because they are but they ignored totally that they are dangerous only moment is with attempt assassination mages are shown as "good guys" and templar "bad guys" excluding Adrian.
I can't judge their role because I didn't read it. I know only about Lambert and Evangeline, and the opinion of those two (as the rest of the cast) is different based on the person's side. I'll judge both side's role in the book after I read it. My post was just a references of people that read the book and believe that the latter portrayed the danger of mages better than the games.
eluvianix wrote...
Keep reading. You will understand what I am talking about when you finish.
This book has triggered my OCD in a bad way. I gave myself 2 chapters a day to make the book last longer, but apparently I've been reading between 3 to 4 chapters a day. I don't partcularly like this idea either.
I guess I am not a newcomer, because I do indeed sympathize somewhat with Lambert, even though I do not agree with the way that he goes about things. Both sides are sympathetic, even though I do indeed side with the mages on this matter.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Meh, I found Asunder to be worthwhile, but it certainly wasn't neutral in its depiction of the conflict. Only people who are already knowledgable about the pre-existing lore, will find any sort of sympathy for the Templars in Asunder. A newcomer to the lore will always sympathize with the mages after reading Asunder. After all, when ALL the protagonists in a story take one side, you tend to gravitate towards the same side.
MisterJB wrote...
And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.
MisterJB wrote...
Part of the disconnect also comes from mages seeing people as inferior.
Modifié par hhh89, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:50 .
Some, not all. Just as the same can be said from my earlier assumption: "people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more." On both sides we have extremists who can embody the worst of either side.MisterJB wrote...
Part of the disconnect also comes from mages seeing people as inferior.eluvianix wrote...
I entirely agree. However, in light of that, when dealing with mages, you have to step very carefully, because they are still people, even with all of that power.MisterJB wrote...
And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.
MisterJB wrote...
Part of the disconnect also comes from mages seeing people as inferior.
Lord Raijin wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
And all of those emotions makes them extra dangerous. At least a nuclear bomb is not at a risk of exploding after a stressful day.eluvianix wrote...
I believe part of the disconnect in this conflict comes from people seeing mages as a danger, nothing more. At the same time though, the mages are people - people that have been granted amazing powers, but are also have emotions, feelings, hope, and dreams, just like everyone else in Thedas.
But nuclear bombs are created and engineered by mundanes to cause mass death of the innocene. So whats your point in using this as an example to blast the mages? If the mages were treated as people, as they should, they wouldn't have a reason to use their magic to defend themselves against their jailers.
eluvianix wrote...
How was it in comparison to Asunder? Because I loved Asunder.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Yes, the Calling was a book I enjoyed immensely.
Meh, I found Asunder to be worthwhile, but it certainly wasn't neutral
in its depiction of the conflict. Only people who are already
knowledgable about the pre-existing lore, will find any sort of sympathy
for the Templars in Asunder. A newcomer to the lore will always
sympathize with the mages after reading Asunder. After all, when ALL the
protagonists in a story take one side, you tend to gravitate towards
the same side.
Lord Raijin wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Part of the disconnect also comes from mages seeing people as inferior.
And templars and the Chantry view mages as the cancer of thedas, the cursed ones that needs a babysitter guarding them 24/7.
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
How was it in comparison to Asunder? Because I loved Asunder.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Yes, the Calling was a book I enjoyed immensely.
Asunder is IMO better, but the Calling comes a close second.Meh, I found Asunder to be worthwhile, but it certainly wasn't neutral
in its depiction of the conflict. Only people who are already
knowledgable about the pre-existing lore, will find any sort of sympathy
for the Templars in Asunder. A newcomer to the lore will always
sympathize with the mages after reading Asunder. After all, when ALL the
protagonists in a story take one side, you tend to gravitate towards
the same side.
True. This is especially true of DAO, where all of the companions believe Anora betrayed the Warden at the Denerim estate when the Warden betrayed her first. Most people, because the companions are all against Anora, actually have come to believe she did do that when she didn't.
And Asunder made me wanna follow Lambert, if he's leading some Templars, for one DAI run.
Modifié par eluvianix, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:52 .
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
True. This is especially true of DAO, where all of the companions believe Anora betrayed the Warden at the Denerim estate when the Warden betrayed her first. Most people, because the companions are all against Anora, actually have come to believe she did do that when she didn't.
And Asunder made me wanna follow Lambert, if he's leading some Templars, for one DAI run.
eluvianix wrote...
Not all of them do. Meredith is the one who gave the "cancer" line about magic, and I hardly believe that she can represent accurately the Templar order.
ScarMK wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Not all of them do. Meredith is the one who gave the "cancer" line about magic, and I hardly believe that she can represent accurately the Templar order.
Do remember to whom you're speaking to. Raijin is to the pro mages as KomodorShepard is to the pro templars.
eluvianix wrote...
Hey now:PI am pro mage too. Let us be civil here.
Dave of Canada wrote...
I see mages as people, that's what makes them so dangerous.
Modifié par ScarMK, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:57 .
ScarMK wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Not all of them do. Meredith is the one who gave the "cancer" line about magic, and I hardly believe that she can represent accurately the Templar order.
Do remember to whom you're speaking to. Raijin is to the pro mages as KomodorShepard is to the pro templars.
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 21 novembre 2013 - 03:57 .
ScarMK wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Hey now:PI am pro mage too. Let us be civil here.
I didn't mean anything by it to you. Just saying those two are the rather extremist sides of each faction. Not sure how much reason they will listen to.
Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I find it hard to conceive the idea that the great majority of mages wouldn't fancy themselves superior to non-mages given the way humans are.hhh89 wrote...
I don't think the majority of mages in southern Thedas believe that they're superior though.
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Dude mages are walking unstable bombs take templars and will explode because of plenty excuses and as is said protecting mages because templars isn't helping pro-mages because peoples who will want kick you always will exist...
MisterJB wrote...
Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I find it hard to conceive the idea that the great majority of mages wouldn't fancy themselves superior to non-mages given the way humans are.hhh89 wrote...
I don't think the majority of mages in southern Thedas believe that they're superior though.
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
True. This is especially true of DAO, where all of the companions believe Anora betrayed the Warden at the Denerim estate when the Warden betrayed her first. Most people, because the companions are all against Anora, actually have come to believe she did do that when she didn't.
And Asunder made me wanna follow Lambert, if he's leading some Templars, for one DAI run.
Lol i don't know how screwd up logic some peoples follow but she betrayed twice warden was helping her and she kicked him for own convenience twice
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