It's not a matter of belief. The Veil is thin there and those who have attempted to live there died.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Superstitious nonsense. That they believe it's still haunted by her doesn't mean it is.
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
MisterJB wrote...
It's not a matter of belief. The Veil is thin there and those who have attempted to live there died.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Superstitious nonsense. That they believe it's still haunted by her doesn't mean it is.
The same thing happened with Soldier's Peak. No one could safely live there until the Veil was strengthened and that was all caused by a single mage.
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Just because that is the way that you personally feel, does not mean that others have to hold the same opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Personally, if I could blow things up with my mind, I would not think that people who couldn't are my equals.
eluvianix wrote...
Just because that is the way that you personally feel, does not mean that others have to hold the same opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Personally, if I could blow things up with my mind, I would not think that people who couldn't are my equals.
And again, while you seem to see only the horrors of history, there is also great good within a person's spirit.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Just because that is the way that you personally feel, does not mean that others have to hold the same opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Personally, if I could blow things up with my mind, I would not think that people who couldn't are my equals.
Eee do you know about such things as humans they are pretty terrible and that always will end that way you can scream that is not truth like luke skywalker:lol: but history proves otherwise.
Mr. Pro Templar.Br3ad wrote...
Xil is the exact opposite of a pro-Templar.Lord Raijin wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
At least pro-templars don't come up with sick ideas like raping demons then putting them inside others to rape them again.
This forum war has destroyed my trust in my fellow man.
Makers breath! Where did you read this pro-templars propaganda from?
eluvianix wrote...
And again, while you seem to see only the horrors of history, there is also great good within a person's spirit.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Just because that is the way that you personally feel, does not mean that others have to hold the same opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Personally, if I could blow things up with my mind, I would not think that people who couldn't are my equals.
Eee do you know about such things as humans they are pretty terrible and that always will end that way you can scream that is not truth like luke skywalker:lol: but history proves otherwise.
Considering those several Veil tears we could mend in the area, plus the freaking spectral dragon, I find that it probably was haunted. Those Veil tears probably let a whole bunch of stuff into the area, spirits and demons alike.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
It's not a matter of belief. The Veil is thin there and those who have attempted to live there died.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Superstitious nonsense. That they believe it's still haunted by her doesn't mean it is.
The same thing happened with Soldier's Peak. No one could safely live there until the Veil was strengthened and that was all caused by a single mage.
Except the village itself right outside the castle is thriving afterwards. Just because two people died doesn't discount the fact that 50 others are living there.
Also, epilogues. Hearsay. Rumors.
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
And again, while you seem to see only the horrors of history, there is also great good within a person's spirit.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Just because that is the way that you personally feel, does not mean that others have to hold the same opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Personally, if I could blow things up with my mind, I would not think that people who couldn't are my equals.
Eee do you know about such things as humans they are pretty terrible and that always will end that way you can scream that is not truth like luke skywalker:lol: but history proves otherwise.
Thats naive thinking if that was in case world would utopia but ok ok lets leave real world and see thedas and dragon age which is dark fantasy now look on thedas and now guess how great is life there.
eluvianix wrote...
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
And again, while you seem to see only the horrors of history, there is also great good within a person's spirit.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Just because that is the way that you personally feel, does not mean that others have to hold the same opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Why are you dodging the question?The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Let's be realistic here. If you were born with the pletora of magical abilities in both games; which would include firestorm, walking bomb, blood slave, demon summoning; would you really think of yourself as equal to those who weren't?
To me, no one is equal yet everyone is. Doesn't really matter whether you're a Mage or not. We're all unique, and thus not "equal" in any sense of the word. One man might be stronger or weaker then the next.
And, of course, matters of the soul apply here. That's always equal.
Too tired to elaborate on all this mumbo jumbo I'm spewing.
Personally, if I could blow things up with my mind, I would not think that people who couldn't are my equals.
Eee do you know about such things as humans they are pretty terrible and that always will end that way you can scream that is not truth like luke skywalker:lol: but history proves otherwise.
Thats naive thinking if that was in case world would utopia but ok ok lets leave real world and see thedas and dragon age which is dark fantasy now look on thedas and now guess how great is life there.
MisterJB wrote...
Speaking of the Blackmarsh; I have, on occasion, suggested that the Inquisition or the Templars should have the option of tricking demons into closing the tears in the Veil so as to avoid making concessions to the mages. However, this was received poorly by pro-mages.
So, here is a different suggestion. In the Blackmarsh, Justice was able to give the completely non-magical weapons of the party the ability to close tears in the Veil. Therefore, I wish for there to be an option to deal with Spirits in order to close the tears in the Veil rather than being at the mercy of an antagonistic faction such as the mages.
Will the same people who defended the Seers of Rivain be against this suggestion?
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MisterJB wrote...
Speaking of the Blackmarsh; I have, on occasion, suggested that the Inquisition or the Templars should have the option of tricking demons into closing the tears in the Veil so as to avoid making concessions to the mages. However, this was received poorly by pro-mages.
So, here is a different suggestion. In the Blackmarsh, Justice was able to give the completely non-magical weapons of the party the ability to close tears in the Veil. Therefore, I wish for there to be an option to deal with Spirits in order to close the tears in the Veil rather than being at the mercy of an antagonistic faction such as the mages.
Will the same people who defended the Seers of Rivain be against this suggestion?
Another thing about reality, power corrupts. It's actually very naive to think that if given magic, that people will remain at the same moral standing, and this the one that they show to the world. Very few people are actually "good."eluvianix wrote...
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.
I am not saying that having magic would not corrupt some. I am just making the argument that it unfair to say that having magic would corrupt the majority of mages. Also, the bolded/underlined is a matter of your own personal opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Another thing about reality, power corrupts. It's actually very naive to think that if given magic, that people will remain at the same moral standing, and this the one that they show to the world. Very few people are actually "good."eluvianix wrote...
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
There are bound to be spirits like Justice or Compassion who would help the people of Thedas for no other reason than because that is the virtue they embody. It sure beats asking the mages for help and receive a list of the demands they want mets before they close a single tear.eluvianix wrote...
I would not be. My one issue however is this: would the Spirits even really care that the Veil is torn? Would they even help us? We have only had real contact with one spirit, Justice. Spirits and their motivations still remain much of a mystery to us. Even Faith, Wynne's spirit, and probably one of the most powerful we have seen, remains alien to human understanding.
Edit: We could also end up having a spirit masquerade as a demon, and that raises many more problems as well.
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I just have a few really simple questions to people who are against the Circle.
Do you feel it is really responsible to allow mages to roam free and do exactly as they please? If yes, why?
No it's really not. Most people are in fact very self-centered and concerned. This is a matter of ratios, not opinions.eluvianix wrote...
I am not saying that having magic would not corrupt some. I am just making the argument that it unfair to say that having magic would corrupt the majority of mages. Also, the bolded/underlined is a matter of your own personal opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Another thing about reality, power corrupts. It's actually very naive to think that if given magic, that people will remain at the same moral standing, and this the one that they show to the world. Very few people are actually "good."eluvianix wrote...
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.
eluvianix wrote...
I am not saying that having magic would not corrupt some. I am just making the argument that it unfair to say that having magic would corrupt the majority of mages. Also, the bolded/underlined is a matter of your own personal opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Another thing about reality, power corrupts. It's actually very naive to think that if given magic, that people will remain at the same moral standing, and this the one that they show to the world. Very few people are actually "good."eluvianix wrote...
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.
Considering we have witnessed only one mage closing a tear, Avernus, I am not too sure the mages even could do it to be honest. Especially that gigantic one in the sky. It took a centuries old maleficar to use blood magic to close just the smaller one in Soldier's Peak.MisterJB wrote...
There are bound to be spirits like Justice or Compassion who would help the people of Thedas for no other reason than because that is the virtue they embody. It sure beats asking the mages for help and receive a list of the demands they want mets before they close a single tear.eluvianix wrote...
I would not be. My one issue however is this: would the Spirits even really care that the Veil is torn? Would they even help us? We have only had real contact with one spirit, Justice. Spirits and their motivations still remain much of a mystery to us. Even Faith, Wynne's spirit, and probably one of the most powerful we have seen, remains alien to human understanding.
Edit: We could also end up having a spirit masquerade as a demon, and that raises many more problems as well.
Tevinter also does not have Templars that can negate magic either.<_<TheKomandorShepard wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
I am not saying that having magic would not corrupt some. I am just making the argument that it unfair to say that having magic would corrupt the majority of mages. Also, the bolded/underlined is a matter of your own personal opinion.Br3ad wrote...
Another thing about reality, power corrupts. It's actually very naive to think that if given magic, that people will remain at the same moral standing, and this the one that they show to the world. Very few people are actually "good."eluvianix wrote...
It is hardly naive to say that there is both good and bad within everyone. It is not utopia, it is simply reality. And just because Thedas is a "dark fantasy" setting does not mean that is gloom, doom, and death 24/7.
See tevinter...<_<
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