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[MisterJB]

Inprea wrote...
How does using lyrium help in contact a spirit?

The Circle uses lyrium to send a mage into the Fade for the Harrowing. Therefore, we'll just do the same and send either the Inquisitor or agents into the Fade to extablish contact. The Fade's nature is to give people what they wish so, it will help the party find a spirit.

Faith acted through a mage though. I believe you're relying on a pretty big maybe there.

Faith acted, that is the most important. Generally speaking, spirits may have little interest in interfering with mortals but Spirit Healers, Spirit Warriors and Seers all exist.

As for justice being single minded. That was in DA2. In Dragon Age awakening Justice takes time to speak with the elf girl about her need to repay humans for the injustices she did and to pursue the dark spawn. I may be mistaken but as I recall justice before being influenced by Anders was fairly well rounded in his pursuits. I believe he even mentioned the posessed warden's widow and how he needs to return the corpse to her.

According to Ander's short story, Justice approached him to fight what he perceived as an injustice; the Circle; yes, it's possible Anders' single mindness affected it and made Vengeance blind against injustices that did not involve mages
But it's also possible spirits, much like humans, can become passionate defenders of a cause to the exclusion of everything else. Which might lead to them focusing on closing the tears while the Inquisition deal with mortal politics.

[Inprea]

MisterJB wrote...

Inprea wrote...
How does using lyrium help in contact a spirit?

The Circle uses lyrium to send a mage into the Fade for the Harrowing. Therefore, we'll just do the same and send either the Inquisitor or agents into the Fade to extablish contact. The Fade's nature is to give people what they wish so, it will help the party find a spirit.

Faith acted through a mage though. I believe you're relying on a pretty big maybe there.

Faith acted, that is the most important. Generally speaking, spirits may have little interest in interfering with mortals but Spirit Healers, Spirit Warriors and Seers all exist.

As for justice being single minded. That was in DA2. In Dragon Age awakening Justice takes time to speak with the elf girl about her need to repay humans for the injustices she did and to pursue the dark spawn. I may be mistaken but as I recall justice before being influenced by Anders was fairly well rounded in his pursuits. I believe he even mentioned the posessed warden's widow and how he needs to return the corpse to her.

According to Ander's short story, Justice approached him to fight what he perceived as an injustice; the Circle; yes, it's possible Anders' single mindness affected it and made Vengeance blind against injustices that did not involve mages
But it's also possible spirits, much like humans, can become passionate defenders of a cause to the exclusion of everything else. Which might lead to them focusing on closing the tears while the Inquisition deal with mortal politics.

You said it yourself. Send a mage into the fade. All the classes you listed were mages as well and you're trying to get away from relying upon a mage.

Does Justice approaching Anders show that Justice is single minded or does it show that the circles are that big of an injustice according to the spirit? I didn't know that about the story though. I enjoy the dragon age games a great deal but I'm not a big enough fan to purchase the books.

[victorbarry]

"I guess in my experiences I mentally differentiate healing from necromancy."
lol to that xD

[Hellion Rex]

Inprea wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Inprea wrote...
How does using lyrium help in contact a spirit?

The Circle uses lyrium to send a mage into the Fade for the Harrowing. Therefore, we'll just do the same and send either the Inquisitor or agents into the Fade to extablish contact. The Fade's nature is to give people what they wish so, it will help the party find a spirit.

Faith acted through a mage though. I believe you're relying on a pretty big maybe there.

Faith acted, that is the most important. Generally speaking, spirits may have little interest in interfering with mortals but Spirit Healers, Spirit Warriors and Seers all exist.

As for justice being single minded. That was in DA2. In Dragon Age awakening Justice takes time to speak with the elf girl about her need to repay humans for the injustices she did and to pursue the dark spawn. I may be mistaken but as I recall justice before being influenced by Anders was fairly well rounded in his pursuits. I believe he even mentioned the posessed warden's widow and how he needs to return the corpse to her.

According to Ander's short story, Justice approached him to fight what he perceived as an injustice; the Circle; yes, it's possible Anders' single mindness affected it and made Vengeance blind against injustices that did not involve mages
But it's also possible spirits, much like humans, can become passionate defenders of a cause to the exclusion of everything else. Which might lead to them focusing on closing the tears while the Inquisition deal with mortal politics.

You said it yourself. Send a mage into the fade. All the classes you listed were mages as well and you're trying to get away from relying upon a mage.

Does Justice approaching Anders show that Justice is single minded or does it show that the circles are that big of an injustice according to the spirit? I didn't know that about the story though. I enjoy the dragon age games a great deal but I'm not a big enough fan to purchase the books.

Anders's short story was initially posted here on the BSN and the DA2 webite, IIRC.
In all honesty though, you might wish to read Asunder. It is pretty well written and ties into the next games very well.

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...
I believe Mr.Gaider himself compared mages to nuclear bombs. This is because they wield similar destructive capabilities. It doesn't matter why they were created; we regulate nukes exactly because, should an accident happen, the consequences would be devastating.
The same applies to mages. Except mages are even more dangerous because, unlike with nukes, they have emotions that can lead them to explode. And then people die.

I'm sure he said that, But what did he use to compare the templars/chantry?? Flowers? The Chantry and the templars/Seekers are no better than Hitler. Collecting every single mage in Thedas and throwing them inside of the tower like squished sardines inside of a can waiting to be eaten.

Do you truly, honestly believe that the only reason any mage anywhere would ever use its powers would be in self defense? Do you truly can't imagine situations where mages would use their powers for their benefits at the expense of others; mages who would see themselves as superior to non-mages; mages who would fall to temptations; mages who would be possessed?

And this despite the great number of mages who have done just that? Opressed or hurt others for reasons entirely unrelated to the templars?

That is what is presented to me in the games. Do you honestly want me to walkthrough you from the begining to the end of both games? I will if you want me to. Perhabs when I have enough time I'll do it so I can open your eyes. You can however do the same in a pro-templar point of view.  Perhabs we both can learn from each other from the opposite party.

Your analyalstic view of mages seeing themsevles as superior to non-mages are your OPINION and your opinion only. It is not fact at all. Not once have I seen a mage that wanted to take over Thedas. All I've seen were mages who are fed up with the way the Chantry is running their lives... to imprison them for being who they are. If the Chantry truly wants to help the mages then they should stop seeing them as prisoners and view them as students of the arcane arts.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:15 .

[General TSAR]

Lord Raijin wrote...
I'm sure he said that, But what did he use to compare the templars/chantry?? Flowers? The Chantry and the templars/Seekers are no better than Hitler. 

Good work deploying Reductio ad Hitlerum. <_<

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
I believe Mr.Gaider himself compared mages to nuclear bombs. This is because they wield similar destructive capabilities. It doesn't matter why they were created; we regulate nukes exactly because, should an accident happen, the consequences would be devastating.
The same applies to mages. Except mages are even more dangerous because, unlike with nukes, they have emotions that can lead them to explode. And then people die.

I'm sure he said that, But what did he use to compare the templars/chantry?? Flowers? The Chantry and the templars/Seekers are no better than Hitler. Collecting every single mage in Thedas and throwing them inside of the tower like squished sardines inside of a can waiting to be eaten.

It was only a matter of time before you started using this bs

[Plaintiff]

General TSAR wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
I'm sure he said that, But what did he use to compare the templars/chantry?? Flowers? The Chantry and the templars/Seekers are no better than Hitler. 

Good work deploying Reductio ad Hitlerum. <_<

Because separating families, imprisoning people based on their natural-born traits and placing them under the care of abusive, bigoted individuals is not at all similar to what Hitler was getting up to.

[EmperorSahlertz]

And so the Hitler card was played, and there was much rejoicing.

[Lord Raijin]

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
I believe Mr.Gaider himself compared mages to nuclear bombs. This is because they wield similar destructive capabilities. It doesn't matter why they were created; we regulate nukes exactly because, should an accident happen, the consequences would be devastating.
The same applies to mages. Except mages are even more dangerous because, unlike with nukes, they have emotions that can lead them to explode. And then people die.

I'm sure he said that, But what did he use to compare the templars/chantry?? Flowers? The Chantry and the templars/Seekers are no better than Hitler. Collecting every single mage in Thedas and throwing them inside of the tower like squished sardines inside of a can waiting to be eaten.

It was only a matter of time before you started using this bs

The truth is quite disturbing isn't it?

The Circle is very much like a concentration camps of the Chantry.

[General TSAR]

Plaintiff wrote...



Because separating families, imprisoning people based on their natural-born traits and
placing them under the care of abusive, bigoted individuals is not at all similar to what Hitler was getting up to.

Oh look another genius comparing the Templars to the SS.

The circles act as quarantine for walking weapons of mass destruction, not genocide factories based on some idea of racial superiority.

Way to go champ. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:30 .

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
I believe Mr.Gaider himself compared mages to nuclear bombs. This is because they wield similar destructive capabilities. It doesn't matter why they were created; we regulate nukes exactly because, should an accident happen, the consequences would be devastating.
The same applies to mages. Except mages are even more dangerous because, unlike with nukes, they have emotions that can lead them to explode. And then people die.

I'm sure he said that, But what did he use to compare the templars/chantry?? Flowers? The Chantry and the templars/Seekers are no better than Hitler. Collecting every single mage in Thedas and throwing them inside of the tower like squished sardines inside of a can waiting to be eaten.

It was only a matter of time before you started using this bs

The truth is quite disturbing isn't it?

The Circle is very much like a concentration camps of the Chantry.

Except it's not

[General TSAR]

Lord Raijin wrote...

The Circle is very much like a concentration camps of the Chantry.

<_< 

[Steelcan]

Ah lovely,

Godwin's that don't apply and some lovely selective memory

[spirosz]

I support your mom's circle.

[Plaintiff]

General TSAR wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...



Because separating families, imprisoning people based on their natural-born traits and
placing them under the care of abusive, bigoted individuals is not at all similar to what Hitler was getting up to.

Oh look another genius comparing the Templars to the SS.

The circles act as quarantine for walking weapons of mass destruction, not genocide factories based on some idea of racial superiority.

Way to go champ. 

The Circles act as a prison for a minority group that has been deemed "dangerous" in the subjective opinion of a clearly biased authority. They're are even subject to arbitrary purges. The parallels are so obvious it's like being slapped in the face.

Just because you personally happen to agree with this particular prejudice doesn't change the reality of what it is.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:34 .

[spirosz]

Plaintiff wrote...

The parallels are so obvious it's like being slapped in the face.

Just because you personally happen to agree with this particular prejudice doesn't change the reality of what it is.

No, they really aren't, also I would suggest not trying to bring those up, please.  

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

Ah lovely,

Godwin's that don't apply and some lovely selective memory

Not to mention how offensive that is

[General TSAR]

The Circles act as a prison for a minority group that has been deemed "dangerous" in the subjective opinion of a clearly biased authority.

Look up leper colonies.

And the minority are walking WMDs that can go TSAR BOMBA against the general populace.

The Circles are even subject to arbitrary purges

Once control is lost and the lives of innocent mundanes are threatened.

Just because you personally happen to agree with this particular prejudice doesn't change my subjective view.

Fixed to reflect reality.

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:40 .

[Mr.House]

Always good to see people who don't know history spout very offensive bs.

[Cainhurst Crow]

*sigh* here we go again.

I'll make the call.

[AresKeith]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

*sigh* here we go again.

I'll make the call.

Already did

[General TSAR]

Also call in a planetcracker-class munition.

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:41 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

*sigh* here we go again.

I'll make the call.

Who you gonna call?

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:42 .