HiroVoid wrote...
As far as red templars go, they'll need to be destroyed and their source of lyrium wiped out if their state of mind in the demo says anything. I don't think I've actually seen anyone(maybe the occasional troll post?) defend the red templars from what we've seen.
Lord Raijin wrote...
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
agree and thats first sane argument but mages brought that on themselvesand how exactly did the mages brought it all upon themselves? That that just insane.
eluvianix wrote...
Meredith was bats*** crazy, and hardly represents the Order in my mind. The Lord Seeker had his motivations, due to his time in Tevinter, and I can sympathize, even though I do not agree with how he treats Andrastian mages.
Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 novembre 2013 - 09:42 .
HiroVoid wrote...
Well, I guess that's Morrigan-logic anyway.
HiroVoid wrote...
Well, I guess that's Morrigan-logic anyway.
Icy Magebane wrote...
Segregation fosters resentment. Mages must be allowed to integrate into the population or they will continue to be demonized, and the cycle of resentment and rebellion starts anew. If the basic templar abilities were commonly understood and practiced by town guards, we wouldn't need to keep them isolated. Add in a few elite guards who specialize in this training, a few basic requirements for mages (compulsory training, phylacteries, etc), and society can move past this conflict entirely.
First two points. Morrigan basically says the first point word for word if you bring her to the circle in the first game. As for the second point, she values power very highly and in general tends to be a very social darwinist person.eluvianix wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Well, I guess that's Morrigan-logic anyway.
Huh?
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Meredith was bats*** crazy, and hardly represents the Order in my mind. The Lord Seeker had his motivations, due to his time in Tevinter, and I can sympathize, even though I do not agree with how he treats Andrastian mages.
As a Knight-Commander she is suppose to be the representation of the Order. That is her job to do so. She failed and so did Elthina. Both failed and now they're dead. Lambert is just another power hungry thug with great power. Just because he had a rough in Tevinter doesn't give him the right transfer it to the White Spire. The fact that he disrespect his boss, the Divine, tells me a lot about this man as a charatecter.
Oh gotcha. Thought you were responding to my post.HiroVoid wrote...
First two points. Morrigan basically says the first point word for word if you bring her to the circle in the first game. As for the second point, she values power very highly and in general tends to be a very social darwinist person.eluvianix wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Well, I guess that's Morrigan-logic anyway.
Huh?
Big problem if we're talking about wide-spread use of templar abilities with guards. Templar abilities require lyrium which is a resource that I don't believe can be distributed that greatly.victorbarry wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
Segregation fosters resentment. Mages must be allowed to integrate into the population or they will continue to be demonized, and the cycle of resentment and rebellion starts anew. If the basic templar abilities were commonly understood and practiced by town guards, we wouldn't need to keep them isolated. Add in a few elite guards who specialize in this training, a few basic requirements for mages (compulsory training, phylacteries, etc), and society can move past this conflict entirely.
this! totally agree, n i didnt think about training a few civilians , thats brilliant.
True. Laidlaw's stated that DAII was supposed to be about extremists. Gregaior's portrayal in DA:O would probably be a better example.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Meredith was bats*** crazy, and hardly represents the Order in my mind. The Lord Seeker had his motivations, due to his time in Tevinter, and I can sympathize, even though I do not agree with how he treats Andrastian mages.
As a Knight-Commander she is suppose to be the representation of the Order. That is her job to do so. She failed and so did Elthina. Both failed and now they're dead. Lambert is just another power hungry thug with great power. Just because he had a rough in Tevinter doesn't give him the right transfer it to the White Spire. The fact that he disrespect his boss, the Divine, tells me a lot about this man as a charatecter.
Thing is, when I think of the Order, I do not see Meredith a representative of what the Order stands for, title be danged, choices be danged.
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well they accepted life in circle and templars power over them so they get what they accepted thats is way if you let others rule your life you can expect that others will screw you.
second they are weak and that world is ruled by might makes right
thrid they wanted be gods they screwd and well was screwd and they pay for that now.
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.HiroVoid wrote...
True. Laidlaw's stated that DAII was supposed to be about extremists. Gregaior's portrayal in DA:O would probably be a better example.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Meredith was bats*** crazy, and hardly represents the Order in my mind. The Lord Seeker had his motivations, due to his time in Tevinter, and I can sympathize, even though I do not agree with how he treats Andrastian mages.
As a Knight-Commander she is suppose to be the representation of the Order. That is her job to do so. She failed and so did Elthina. Both failed and now they're dead. Lambert is just another power hungry thug with great power. Just because he had a rough in Tevinter doesn't give him the right transfer it to the White Spire. The fact that he disrespect his boss, the Divine, tells me a lot about this man as a charatecter.
Thing is, when I think of the Order, I do not see Meredith a representative of what the Order stands for, title be danged, choices be danged.
Meh. Guess we'll see. At least Cullen can say he's seen the worst of both factions in the Circle. Just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about Gregaior in Dragon Age: Origins?eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.HiroVoid wrote...
True. Laidlaw's stated that DAII was supposed to be about extremists. Gregaior's portrayal in DA:O would probably be a better example.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Meredith was bats*** crazy, and hardly represents the Order in my mind. The Lord Seeker had his motivations, due to his time in Tevinter, and I can sympathize, even though I do not agree with how he treats Andrastian mages.
As a Knight-Commander she is suppose to be the representation of the Order. That is her job to do so. She failed and so did Elthina. Both failed and now they're dead. Lambert is just another power hungry thug with great power. Just because he had a rough in Tevinter doesn't give him the right transfer it to the White Spire. The fact that he disrespect his boss, the Divine, tells me a lot about this man as a charatecter.
Thing is, when I think of the Order, I do not see Meredith a representative of what the Order stands for, title be danged, choices be danged.
eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.
Lord Raijin wrote...
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well they accepted life in circle and templars power over them so they get what they accepted thats is way if you let others rule your life you can expect that others will screw you.
second they are weak and that world is ruled by might makes right
thrid they wanted be gods they screwd and well was screwd and they pay for that now.
You tend to accept the world in the way that it is presented to you. Some mages were born and rised by the Chantry while others were plucked away from their homes to never return. That is the life of a Circle mage. In Asunder Mages are far from accepting life in the Circle under Chantry control, and letting templars powers control them.
Today the mages do not want to become gods. They're fighting for their lives to be free. To live the life like anyone else.
And in asunder they had to fight because they were forced by adrian only exception were libertarians who when right are basically best way to tevinter due to being buch of di*** 
Ah. I thought Cullen said mages aren't like other people; not that mages aren't people.Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.
Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.
As I always start with a mage, I first encountered Greagoir in the opening of the Circle Origin, and I did not particularly enjoy his attitude. His first words to me were "Your magic is a gift, but it's also a curse." Those words hardly endeared me to the Templar Order in the beginning, regardless of the veracity of his words. Especially since I have also been told that in real life, I was honestly livid when he uttered those words.HiroVoid wrote...
Meh. Guess we'll see. At least Cullen can say he's seen the worst of both factions in the Circle. Just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about Gregaior in Dragon Age: Origins?eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.HiroVoid wrote...
True. Laidlaw's stated that DAII was supposed to be about extremists. Gregaior's portrayal in DA:O would probably be a better example.eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Meredith was bats*** crazy, and hardly represents the Order in my mind. The Lord Seeker had his motivations, due to his time in Tevinter, and I can sympathize, even though I do not agree with how he treats Andrastian mages.
As a Knight-Commander she is suppose to be the representation of the Order. That is her job to do so. She failed and so did Elthina. Both failed and now they're dead. Lambert is just another power hungry thug with great power. Just because he had a rough in Tevinter doesn't give him the right transfer it to the White Spire. The fact that he disrespect his boss, the Divine, tells me a lot about this man as a charatecter.
Thing is, when I think of the Order, I do not see Meredith a representative of what the Order stands for, title be danged, choices be danged.
And that is a very important distinction to make, which is why I find him rather interesting.HiroVoid wrote...
Ah. I thought Cullen said mages aren't like other people; not that mages aren't people.Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.
Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.
damn, i didnt think about the lyriumHiroVoid wrote...
Big problem if we're talking about wide-spread use of templar abilities with guards. Templar abilities require lyrium which is a resource that I don't believe can be distributed that greatly.victorbarry wrote...
Icy Magebane wrote...
Segregation fosters resentment. Mages must be allowed to integrate into the population or they will continue to be demonized, and the cycle of resentment and rebellion starts anew. If the basic templar abilities were commonly understood and practiced by town guards, we wouldn't need to keep them isolated. Add in a few elite guards who specialize in this training, a few basic requirements for mages (compulsory training, phylacteries, etc), and society can move past this conflict entirely.
this! totally agree, n i didnt think about training a few civilians , thats brilliant.
If there's a real-life parallel, I can understand then, but since that's before the harrowing, he's just referring to how demons try to possess mages often due to their power.eluvianix wrote...
As I always start with a mage, I first encountered Greagoir in the opening of the Circle Origin, and I did not particularly enjoy his attitude. His first words to me were "Your magic is a gift, but it's also a curse." Those words hardly endeared me to the Templar Order in the beginning, regardless of the veracity of his words. Especially since I have also been told that in real life, I was honestly livid when he uttered those words.
Modifié par HiroVoid, 22 novembre 2013 - 10:09 .
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.
Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.
If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
You mean accept rules of others not world rules that what weak do.
Openly no but as we seen we already have who think such and want have god-like power ticking bomb can't have life like anyone else so nope.
I am aware of that. But the choice of words still irked me something fierce, regardless of their intent.HiroVoid wrote...
If there's a real-life parallel, I can understand then, but since that's before the harrowing, he's just referring to how demons try to possess mages often due to their power.eluvianix wrote...
As I always start with a mage, I first encountered Greagoir in the opening of the Circle Origin, and I did not particularly enjoy his attitude. His first words to me were "Your magic is a gift, but it's also a curse." Those words hardly endeared me to the Templar Order in the beginning, regardless of the veracity of his words. Especially since I have also been told that in real life, I was honestly livid when he uttered those words.
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