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[TheKomandorShepard]

Ekgm magic is curse not gift because it have massive disadvantages and little advantages but still gregoir is fanatical di*** and **** so i understand reluctance

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
You mean accept rules of others not world rules that what weak do.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
And in asunder they had to fight because they were forced by adrian
only exception were libertarians who when right are basically best way
to tevinter due to being buch of di*** [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Openly
no but as we seen we already have who think such and want have god-like
power ticking bomb can't have life like anyone else so nope.

Uh
which page indicated that Adrian forced the fight? I must've missed a
page or two because it was Lord Seeker Lambert who wanted to end the
conclave that was approved by the Divine, and the mages refused and thus
a fight broke out.

eee wha? that was her plan to force mages fight against templars by making tensions even bigger.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 novembre 2013 - 10:14 .

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
You mean accept rules of others not world rules that what weak do. And in asunder they had to fight because they were forced by adrian only exception were libertarians who when right are basically best way to tevinter due to being buch of di***

Openly no but as we seen we already have who think such and want have god-like power ticking bomb can't have life like anyone else so nope.

Uh which page indicated that Adrian forced the fight? I must've missed a page or two because it was Lord Seeker Lambert who wanted to end the conclave that was approved by the Divine, and the mages refused and thus a fight broke out.

Have you finished yet? If not, what part are you at?
Edit: Because based on what you are saying, you have not finished it yet, which I strongly advise that you do. The last few chapters are very important.

Modifié par eluvianix, 22 novembre 2013 - 10:15 .

[HiroVoid]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

Wynne seems to remark on a templar who treated her kindly when they found her after she was getting targeted for having macic, so I don't know how rare it is.

I am aware of that. But the choice of words still irked me something fierce, regardless of their intent.

Fair enough.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

This very pro-mage respects Evangeline. She gained so much rep points from me.

I hope she makes an apperence in DAI. I would LOVE to have her as a companion This mage would very much like that idea

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...
Have you finished yet? If not, what part are you at?

No. I'm on Chapter 20.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Have you finished yet? If not, what part are you at?

No. I'm on Chapter 20.

Ok, keep reading. Komandor was right actually. The last few pages are critical. You will understand what he meant about Adrian at the end.

Modifié par eluvianix, 22 novembre 2013 - 10:18 .

[The Elder King]

@eluvianix: I understand your reason to not like Gregoir, though I personally didn't find problems with those words, since they're true. From what I saw in both DAO and DAA, I don't have many problems with him. He's not extremistic and he applies the laws of the Chantry fairly, and doesn't abuse his power.
I don't hate Cullen, and I'd like to see the development of his character after the events ok Kirkwall, but while he doesn't seem to abuse his power like a lot of templars in Kirkwall, his view are still extremistic (though I understand why he'd have such views after DAO).

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@eluvianix: I understand your reason to not like Gregoir, though I personally didn't find problems with those words, since they're true. From what I saw in both DAO and DAA, I don't have many problems with him. He's not extremistic and he applies the laws of the Chantry fairly, and doesn't abuse his power.
I don't hate Cullen, and I'd like to see the development of his character after the events ok Kirkwall, but while he doesn't seem to abuse his power like a lot of templars in Kirkwall, his view are still extremistic (though I understand why he'd have such views after DAO).

I understand what Greagoir's intent was and I can agree, but my own real life experiences took issue with the way he phrased it.

[Johnny_TYS38]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I dont think it is possible but I would rather have Evangeline as the templar companion rather than cullen. It take cullen two game to get my attention and he was barely interesting. On the other hand, it took one book for me to like Evangeline. I feel like she was a better written character as compard to most of the templars that are in both games. 

[Hellion Rex]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I dont think it is possible but I would rather have Evangeline as the templar companion rather than cullen. It take cullen two game to get my attention and he was barely interesting. On the other hand, it took one book for me to like Evangeline. I feel like she was a better written character as compard to most of the templars that are in both games. 

I indeed love Evangeline's character, although I do not think we will get her as a companion. She seems to be attached to Rhys, and he is helping to lead the mage rebellion. I do think we will defintiely get to see both though as cameos.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I dont think it is possible but I would rather have Evangeline as the templar companion rather than cullen. It take cullen two game to get my attention and he was barely interesting. On the other hand, it took one book for me to like Evangeline. I feel like she was a better written character as compard to most of the templars that are in both games. 

She was like Thrask naive and brought  harm because she was naive only guy i liked was lambert who at least had strength to hold his point and wasn't naive he destroyed all other characters including divine. 

[Johnny_TYS38]

eluvianix wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I dont think it is possible but I would rather have Evangeline as the templar companion rather than cullen. It take cullen two game to get my attention and he was barely interesting. On the other hand, it took one book for me to like Evangeline. I feel like she was a better written character as compard to most of the templars that are in both games. 

I indeed love Evangeline's character, although I do not think we will get her as a companion. She seems to be attached to Rhys, and he is helping to lead the mage rebellion. I do think we will defintiely get to see both though as cameos.

I dont really care about romancing her if she was a companion maybe she could be like the aveline of DA:I. I am sure that there will be other romance option avaliable for the inqusitior. Maybe more than a cameo, a side quest involving some of the asunder characters like rhys, Evangeline and adrian. If cole is comfrim to be companion, there could be some special dialogue 

[Hellion Rex]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I dont think it is possible but I would rather have Evangeline as the templar companion rather than cullen. It take cullen two game to get my attention and he was barely interesting. On the other hand, it took one book for me to like Evangeline. I feel like she was a better written character as compard to most of the templars that are in both games. 

I indeed love Evangeline's character, although I do not think we will get her as a companion. She seems to be attached to Rhys, and he is helping to lead the mage rebellion. I do think we will defintiely get to see both though as cameos.

I dont really care about romancing her if she was a companion maybe she could be like the aveline of DA:I. I am sure that there will be other romance option avaliable for the inqusitior. Maybe more than a cameo, a side quest involving some of the asunder characters like rhys, Evangeline and adrian. If cole is comfrim to be companion, there could be some special dialogue 

I did not mean as a romance. I just meant she is going to be likely sticking with Rhys to watch his back during the war.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well i doubt that we will see her why
1)her fate is connected to wynne and devs said if we killed wynne simple she stays dead unlike leliana.
2.Devs said that only (?) one person from asunder will show up
3.She isn't even important

if suspect it will be cole next is rhys and my wish is lambert but i doubt that.

[Johnny_TYS38]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i doubt that we will see her why
1)her fate is connected to wynne and devs said if we killed wynne simple she stays dead unlike leliana.
2.Devs said that only (?) one person from asunder will show up
3.She isn't even important

if suspect it will be cole next is rhys and my wish is lambert but i doubt that.

If I am not wrong, didn't cole kill lambert in the epilogue of asunder?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i doubt that we will see her why
1)her fate is connected to wynne and devs said if we killed wynne simple she stays dead unlike leliana.
2.Devs said that only (?) one person from asunder will show up
3.She isn't even important

if suspect it will be cole next is rhys and my wish is lambert but i doubt that.

If I am not wrong, didn't cole kill lambert in the epilogue of asunder?

Well we don't know because they didn't show entire event so that is open and we don't know what happened later all we know that lambert is described in wot that he disappeared but well how many times such things in fiction was pull out and person survived?

[Hellion Rex]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i doubt that we will see her why
1)her fate is connected to wynne and devs said if we killed wynne simple she stays dead unlike leliana.
2.Devs said that only (?) one person from asunder will show up
3.She isn't even important

if suspect it will be cole next is rhys and my wish is lambert but i doubt that.

If I am not wrong, didn't cole kill lambert in the epilogue of asunder?

according to World of Thedas, he is merely MIA

[Johnny_TYS38]

eluvianix wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i doubt that we will see her why
1)her fate is connected to wynne and devs said if we killed wynne simple she stays dead unlike leliana.
2.Devs said that only (?) one person from asunder will show up
3.She isn't even important

if suspect it will be cole next is rhys and my wish is lambert but i doubt that.

If I am not wrong, didn't cole kill lambert in the epilogue of asunder?

according to World of Thedas, he is merely MIA

So if he is MIA, who is organising the attack at andoral's reach? Did the letter he wrote to the divine actually reach her?

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I'm still not seeing where it says that Templars are meant to protect mages. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

eluvianix wrote...
As I always start with a mage, I first encountered Greagoir in the opening of the Circle Origin, and I did not particularly enjoy his attitude. His first words to me were "Your magic is a gift, but it's also a curse." Those words hardly endeared me to the Templar Order in the beginning, regardless of the veracity of his words. Especially since I have also been told that in real life, I was honestly livid when he uttered those words.

So it doesn't matter what kind of a person someone is, or what his actions are - all that matters is that they do not say uncomfortable truths around you?
Or God forbid, word something i na way you do not like!

Compeltely and utterly unforgivable!

[Lotion Soronarr]

eluvianix wrote...
A guarantee? Lotion, think about that for a second. What person, never mind a mage, would suffer being shipped off to an island?

Isolationist. Libertarianns. Lucrosians.
A island where they can live far more freely than in the cirlce - why not?

Carnage. Even with fewer numbers than Templar Order, if they were pool their magic, they could annihilate many in the blink of an eye.
Yes, magical veil tears. Then you have both demons AND pissed off mages to contend with.

And templars can pull together their powers too.

As the 17 RoA have shown, temaplrs cna kill mages without an apocalypse happening.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The point that you have no idea about history or how comparisons work?

Mages are segregated because they are PROVENLY dangerous - for both their safety and the safety of others. This is no false prejudice or some instance of bigotry.

Nobody is "proven" anything until they act.

Restricting people in any way for their potential to possibly cause harm is absurd in every single respect, and the scale of this imaginary potential damage is irrelevent. The mere base concept is moronic.

Waht is moronic is your thought pattern.

The leper colonies and quaranteens trought history would liek to say "hi" to you.
We DO restrict poeple based on their potential for harm and their abiltiy to control it. Humantiy has done it from day 1 for far LESSER dangers.

By your ridiculous logic, bodybuilders could be placed under surveillance because their potential punches would hurt people more than a normal punch. And IT professionals should be kept away from computers because of the potential damage they could do to the computer systems that govern so much of our lives.

Pfft. Yeah, your examples suck.
The difference in the punch strength is not enough to warrant segragation for body-builders. And they don't have demons trying to take over their bodies. They can't open portals to hell or raise the dead.

Once you start locking people up for what they might do, you already exist in a fascist state.

You arelady live in a fascist world by your definition.
Deal with it.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Have you finished yet? If not, what part are you at?

No. I'm on Chapter 20.

Ok, keep reading. Komandor was right actually. The last few pages are critical. You will understand what he meant about Adrian at the end.

I've just now finished reading the book; a great book indeed

My opinions hasn't changed, somewhat. I'm still pro-mage however I am now pro- Divine Justinia V. Not entirly sure if that makes me pro-Chantry, does it? Either way what she did took ****ing balls of steel. The letter that Lord Seeker wrote to her put chills down my spine.

As for Adrian starting the fight... Rhys was no better after he agreed to fight under the Representative of the Aequitarians (After his mothers death). I refuse to put all the blame on her.

[Lord Raijin]

[quote]eluvianix wrote...[/quote]
according to World of Thedas, he is merely MIA

[/quote]

Pardon my ignorance but what does MIA stand for? I don't have World of Thedas.

[Br3admax]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

according to World of Thedas, he is merely MIA

Pardon my ignorance but what does MIA stand for? I don't have World of Thedas.

Missing in action? It's not a World of Thedas acronym. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 22 novembre 2013 - 12:10 .