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[Lord Raijin]

Br3ad wrote...
Missing in action? It's not a World of Thedas acronym. 

Thanks for clearing that up. Too many abbreviations to remember

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
They can resent it all they want.
It won't change their nature. They cannot have the exact same lives as everyone else, because they are not like everyone else.

Also, it's not for their whole lives. Proven mages can frequently go out.

Knight-Captain Cullen what are you doing on the internet?

Oh, you know...the usual. Putting pro-mages in their place.


*is tempted to post a "Sit Booboo, sit! Good dog!" image*

[Lord Raijin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote.....
Oh, you know...the usual. Putting pro-mages in their place.


*is tempted to post a "Sit Booboo, sit! Good dog!" image*

For a pro-templar you made this pro-mage laugh. Congratulations. I think we need to celebrate with a tankard of dwarven ale

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

and I am not seeing where mages should be abused by some of their overseers and yet it still happens. 

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I'm still not seeing where it says that Templars are meant to protect mages. 

And I am not seeing where mages should be abused by some of their overseers and yet it still happens.

Modifié par eluvianix, 22 novembre 2013 - 01:38 .

[The Elder King]

Edit: about templars having the duty of protecting mages, I remember that it was stated somewhere in DAO, though I don't remember if it was a dialogue or a codex.

Modifié par hhh89, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:12 .

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
A guarantee? Lotion, think about that for a second. What person, never mind a mage, would suffer being shipped off to an island?

Isolationist. Libertarianns. Lucrosians.
A island where they can live far more freely than in the cirlce - why not?

Carnage. Even with fewer numbers than Templar Order, if they were pool their magic, they could annihilate many in the blink of an eye.
Yes, magical veil tears. Then you have both demons AND pissed off mages to contend with.

And templars can pull together their powers too.

As the 17 RoA have shown, temaplrs cna kill mages without an apocalypse happening.

Or you can have mages run loose for years as abominations without being able to stop them.
Either way, we end up in WW3 or MAD.

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
As I always start with a mage, I first encountered Greagoir in the opening of the Circle Origin, and I did not particularly enjoy his attitude. His first words to me were "Your magic is a gift, but it's also a curse." Those words hardly endeared me to the Templar Order in the beginning, regardless of the veracity of his words. Especially since I have also been told that in real life, I was honestly livid when he uttered those words.

So it doesn't matter what kind of a person someone is, or what his actions are - all that matters is that they do not say uncomfortable truths around you?
Or God forbid, word something i na way you do not like!

Compeltely and utterly unforgivable!

Lotion, first of all, there was no need to be mocking. It was rude.
Did you even read my post after that? I said that I had understood what Greagoir was saying and I agreed, and that it was merely his choice of words that bothered me, since I have been called cursed and a whole number of nasty things since I was born. I deal with that crap on a daily basis.

Modifié par eluvianix, 22 novembre 2013 - 02:25 .

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline protects the mundanes from mages.

No, she doesn't.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline protects the mundanes from mages.

No, she doesn't.

The village scene when she stops Adrian from doing anything to harm the villagers that are threatening their group.

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline protects the mundanes from mages.

No, she doesn't.

Do you mean post-Asunder or during the book? Since I haven't read it, I don't know a lot about her behaviour before the last part of book (I remember reading that she stopped Adrian, that wanted to use her magic on non-mages at one point, but I don't know the details).

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline protects the mundanes from mages.

No, she doesn't.

The village scene when she stops Adrian from doing anything to harm the villagers that are threatening their group.

Is made void by the later scene where she activelly assists mages in gaining the freedom to do whatever they please with zero restrictions except those they may impose themselves.
Unless you expect me to believe Evangeline is, by herself, capable of keeping hundred of mages in line.

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...
Is made void by the later scene where she activelly assists mages in gaining the freedom to do whatever they please with zero restrictions except those they may impose themselves.
Unless you expect me to believe Evangeline is, by herself, capable of keeping hundred of mages in line.

Mages are people, not a bunch of animals that needs all of those restrictions that you preach about. What part don't you understand? They do not belong in cages. Cages are for those who break the law, and are being punished for their crimes. Yes I agree that they should abid by a different set of rules and standards only to coexist in society. magic exist to serve man, and never rule over him, right? How can mages serve man when their locked up in the tower? In society with mundanes they would be helping blacksmith companies to assist in their forges, and to help make weapons. for mages who are healers can work in hospitals, like what we saw like the incident with Anders... oh that filthy abomination who spent most of his time treating the poor while the Chantry refuses to open their doors to assist in the aid of the ferelden refuees who fled their country from the Blight. I guess it will make hightown look bad to see a bunch of poor people walking around, right?

Evangeline did right for what she did and she earned so many rep points from me as a pro-mage. Templars are suppose to protect mages, and that is what she is going to do, and yes I firmly believe that this woman, alone, is capable of keeping hundred of mages in line. She manage to earn the respect of 1 mage she could do so for the rest.

[HiroVoid]

So what set of rules and standards are those?

[Lord Raijin]

HiroVoid wrote...

So what set of rules and standards are those?

Common sense rules.

1. No setting houses on fire
2. No setting people on fire regarding to the situation (You can't set your wife on fire over an argument, or you can't set your girlfriend on fire for cheating on you)
3. No blood Magic whatsoever
4. No turning people into toads/frogs

The only time magic shall be casted is if they're working on an offical business or doing something useful that is NOT harmful to others.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 novembre 2013 - 04:04 .

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

So what set of rules and standards are those?

Common sense rules.

1. No setting houses on fire
2. No setting people on fire regarding to the situation (You can't set your wife on fire over an argument, or you can't set your girlfriend on fire for cheating on you)
3. No blood Magic whatsoever
4. No turning people into toads/frogs

The only time magic shall be casted is if they're working on an offical business or doing something useful that is NOT harmful to others.

And when someone breaks these rules?

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

So what set of rules and standards are those?

Common sense rules.

1. No setting houses on fire
2. No setting people on fire regarding to the situation (You can't set your wife on fire over an argument, or you can't set your girlfriend on fire for cheating on you)
3. No blood Magic whatsoever
4. No turning people into toads/frogs

The only time magic shall be casted is if they're working on an offical business or doing something useful that is NOT harmful to others.

And when someone breaks these rules?

It depends on the crime itself. Of course if a mage is caught dabbing in blood magic they're to be executed on the spot by the templars along with any other severe cases. For less serious crimes they go to a mage prison (Their phylactery is to be taken while they're there) for a certain amount of time. When released they get probation and must report to the templars at a certain time frame. Repeat offenders would be at high risk of R.o.T (Yes I'm in favor of using the Rite for a punishment).

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 novembre 2013 - 04:17 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

First non-mages don't want mages in their society end of the story naive ideas crushed now im waiting for next naive ideas to crush.

[Dave of Canada]

In other words, pretend mages aren't ticking time bombs and throw them into the world where they'll be abused by the higher-up people on the social ladder and suffer the emotional turmoil of everyday life expecting them to not use magic.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 novembre 2013 - 04:23 .

[Lord Raijin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

In other words, pretend mages aren't ticking time bombs and throw them into the world where they'll be abused by the higher-up people on the social ladder and suffer the emotional turmoil of everyday life expecting them to not use magic.

Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

First non-mages don't want
mages in their society end of the story naive ideas crushed now im
waiting for next naive ideas to crush.

Says who?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

In other words, pretend mages aren't ticking time bombs and throw them into the world where they'll be abused by the higher-up people on the social ladder and suffer the emotional turmoil of everyday life expecting them to not use magic.

Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

First non-mages don't want
mages in their society end of the story naive ideas crushed now im
waiting for next naive ideas to crush.

Says who?

1.The difference is that non-mages when corrupted aren't walking apocalypse and i doubt that nobles would just left that even team up just to get rid of danger that mages represent and then when they finish back to fighting each other.

2.Says almost every society in theadas , peoples who want tear apart mages for just being mages and human nature simple mages won't be accepted because they are danger for non-mages societies and always be that same they are different and thats is enough even in real life without mages.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 novembre 2013 - 05:06 .

[ScarMK]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

Let's pretend that for any mudane to get any real power, they need the support of other mudanes.  Let's also pretend that mudanes do not risk being possessed just for taking a nap.  Let's not forget the sheer power potential between a mudane and a mage.

[DKJaigen]

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nah. Was not a fan of Greagoir. I think Cullen has a lot of potential however.

Cullen is a moron. He sat around and done nothing. Spitting his venomous words about how mages aren't people and that they shouldn't be treated as human.

If templars had the mentality of Evangeline de Brassard I would not only be pro-Mage but also Pro-Templar.

and I am not seeing where mages should be abused by some of their overseers and yet it still happens. 

Evangeline is a rather peculiar character, in that she seems to be a rather rare templar that at least exercise both ends of her duty - she actively protects the mages from the outside world and also protects the mundanes from mages.

I'm still not seeing where it says that Templars are meant to protect mages. 

And I am not seeing where mages should be abused by some of their overseers and yet it still happens.

That really doesn't answer the question. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 22 novembre 2013 - 05:19 .

[HiroVoid]

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

The templars caused the veil tear in the sky and the civil war?

[TheKomandorShepard]

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

Well someone who control laws can't be criminal and technically betrayed that what chantry stands for and then lambert said her screw you.