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[DKJaigen]

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

Let's pretend that for any mudane to get any real power, they need the support of other mudanes.  Let's also pretend that mudanes do not risk being possessed just for taking a nap.  Let's not forget the sheer power potential between a mudane and a mage.

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

[TheKomandorShepard]

DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

Let's pretend that for any mudane to get any real power, they need the support of other mudanes.  Let's also pretend that mudanes do not risk being possessed just for taking a nap.  Let's not forget the sheer power potential between a mudane and a mage.

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

yeah show me peoples who can turn into nuke in every second no they are unstable bombs what makes them worse than humans.

[DKJaigen]

HiroVoid wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

The templars caused the veil tear in the sky and the civil war?

If the templars where decent people and thought for a moment and didnt embark on their reckless crusade/ then the mages would already trying to find a way to close the fade tears and aid empress celene . its very obvious that the templars are pawns for somebody else.

[TheKomandorShepard]

DKJaigen wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

The templars caused the veil tear in the sky and the civil war?

If the templars where decent people and thought for a moment and didnt embark on their reckless crusade/ then the mages would already trying to find a way to close the fade tears and aid empress celene . its very obvious that the templars are pawns for somebody else.

if templars were "decent peoples" now theadas would be sanctuary for abomnations well it is but only because templars were incompetent.

[DKJaigen]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

Let's pretend that for any mudane to get any real power, they need the support of other mudanes.  Let's also pretend that mudanes do not risk being possessed just for taking a nap.  Let's not forget the sheer power potential between a mudane and a mage.

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

yeah show me peoples who can turn into nuke in every second no they are unstable bombs what makes them worse than humans.

Yeah at the same time the chantry uses them as soldiers despite being unstable nukes. your statement and the chantry is full of ****.

[ScarMK]

DKJaigen wrote...

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

If that death was not justified, that knight could easily be hunted down by his peers and only take out a couple of them at most.  All a mage needs to do is throw a few fireballs.   Doesn't even need to risk his neck by getting up close to them.  

We train people in the military to the best of our ability to give them the best chances of survival, but some of them still die.

Good for you, but you seem to think good pure hearted mages are an instant majority, especially when them being locked up.  If they want freedom as badly as Raijin says and are clearly willing to do violence for said freedom, what makes you think they'll act like everything is roses and rainbows when they get out?

"We got our freedom and don't live in a tower anymore, everything is all cool bros"
Ugh, I'd hate to imagine how much the economy would tank.

Modifié par ScarMK, 22 novembre 2013 - 05:34 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

DKJaigen wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Lets pretend that mundanes are completly innocent... and that they're not prone to create civil wars due to a personal disagereement of the nobility on the other side among other things.

The higher-up people would be too busy killing each other than to abuse the mages.

Let's pretend that for any mudane to get any real power, they need the support of other mudanes.  Let's also pretend that mudanes do not risk being possessed just for taking a nap.  Let's not forget the sheer power potential between a mudane and a mage.

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

yeah show me peoples who can turn into nuke in every second no they are unstable bombs what makes them worse than humans.

Yeah at the same time the chantry uses them as soldiers despite being unstable nukes. your statement and the chantry is full of ****.

Hah and thats why we have so many abomnations running around chantry proved that they can't control mages and sucks in doing that and now thats why tevinter returned and now we have war. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 novembre 2013 - 05:42 .

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...
What part don't you understand?

My capability to understand your inane "logic" does not change the fact that every thing that you post is so disconnected from reality; both that of our world and that of Thedas; as to be pitiable, if not laughable.
Not only do you not understand how real people function, you have a poor grasp of the game's lore that makes it impossible for me to argue with you without having to correct your assumptions every single line. For instance: "I've never seen a mage who wanted to rule anything." Bullsh*t, Tahrone, Uldred, Huon, Idunna, every single mage from Tevinter. "The Chantry closed its door to refugees" Again, bullsh*t. You can find several Sisters asking for alms for the poor and you can overhear conversations about how the Chantry was trying to take in Blight orphans.
And these are just two examples in the myriad of insanities that you keep posting which lead me to believe you do not play Dragon Age, you play "Raijin Age".
Also, whenever I do attempt to have an intelligent debate with you, you just start Godwinning like there's no tomorrow.

So, in short, I've got zero interest in talking with you until you clean up your act. And by that I mean pay attention to the damned game and actually learn a bit about how human beings think and act.
"One Templar is going to stop hundreds of mages from ever abusing their powers because of respect." Darwin Award right there.

Modifié par MisterJB, 22 novembre 2013 - 06:14 .

[The Elder King]

@DKJaigen: you seem to assume that all the Red Templars will be templars, which we don't know yet.

[EmperorSahlertz]

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

Technically the Templars aren't traitors since all they did was voiding a contract signed centuries ago. And it wasn't just the Templars who started that war. You know those mage fellas? Yeah, they gave a helping hand in starting that war aswell. Funny how it takes two to tango.

[lil yonce]

ScarMK wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

If that death was not justified, that knight could easily be hunted down by his peers and only take out a couple of them at most.  All a mage needs to do is throw a few fireballs.   Doesn't even need to risk his neck by getting up close to them.  

We train people in the military to the best of our ability to give them the best chances of survival, but some of them still die.

Good for you, but you seem to think good pure hearted mages are an instant majority, especially when them being locked up.  If they want freedom as badly as Raijin says and are clearly willing to do violence for said freedom, what makes you think they'll act like everything is roses and rainbows when they get out?

"We got our freedom and don't live in a tower anymore, everything is all cool bros"
Ugh, I'd hate to imagine how much the economy would tank.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

Technically the Templars aren't traitors since all they did was voiding a contract signed centuries ago. And it wasn't just the Templars who started that war. You know those mage fellas? Yeah, they gave a helping hand in starting that war aswell. Funny how it takes two to tango.

You could interpret breaking faith with the Divine as being "traitors", I guess.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@DKJaigen: you seem to assume that all the Red Templars will be templars, which we don't know yet.

Indeed we do not. I am hoping that the Reds are merely the extremist remains of Lambert's faction.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
You could interpret breaking faith with the Divine as being "traitors", I guess.

I'd say the Divine having her agents killing templars makes her the traitor.

[Dave of Canada]

ScarMK wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Difference of power is not an issue. a peasant that dares to smartmouth a knight is just as death if he dares to smartmouth a mage. Trained mages seldom succumb to demons. If you fear the power of other people so much why dont you got live on island or something. my proffesion gives me the knowledge to not only how to kill people but also to get away with it. could easily abuse this knowledge but i do not. you seem to forget that their are mage like people within our society and these same people also keep the peace.

If that death was not justified, that knight could easily be hunted down by his peers and only take out a couple of them at most.  All a mage needs to do is throw a few fireballs.   Doesn't even need to risk his neck by getting up close to them.  

We train people in the military to the best of our ability to give them the best chances of survival, but some of them still die.

Good for you, but you seem to think good pure hearted mages are an instant majority, especially when them being locked up.  If they want freedom as badly as Raijin says and are clearly willing to do violence for said freedom, what makes you think they'll act like everything is roses and rainbows when they get out?

"We got our freedom and don't live in a tower anymore, everything is all cool bros"
Ugh, I'd hate to imagine how much the economy would tank.

Pretty much. I'm imagining "innocent" mages starving on the street would see the Circle of Magi as being ideal, others will just use their powers to coerce the population to get their way and we're going to see the second (third?) coming of the original Inquistion using anti-mage sentiments to bolster their numbers.

Which would lead to two alternatives: mass mage slaughters across Thedas or the Circle being reformed with the "innocent" mages taking charge like those centuries prior.

eluvianix wrote...

You could interpret breaking faith with the Divine as being "traitors", I guess.

I'd abandon any organization which I'm allied with if they sent their agents to kill my men.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 novembre 2013 - 06:33 .

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
You could interpret breaking faith with the Divine as being "traitors", I guess.

I'd say the Divine having her agents killing templars makes her the traitor.

Both mutually broke the Nevarran Accord more or less.

Edit: Also, Lambert tried to circumvent Justinia by having Evangeline kill the mages if they discovered a way to reverse Tranquility.

Modifié par eluvianix, 22 novembre 2013 - 06:37 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

Technically the Templars aren't traitors since all they did was voiding a contract signed centuries ago. And it wasn't just the Templars who started that war. You know those mage fellas? Yeah, they gave a helping hand in starting that war aswell. Funny how it takes two to tango.

You could interpret breaking faith with the Divine as being "traitors", I guess.

Of course. But objectively speaking you would be wrong in doing so. I'd also be more inclined to say that it was the Divine who broke the faith of the Templars. In the end, it was by no means an ideal situation for anyone.... Except for the anarchists... Damn punks...

[The Elder King]

I'd say that the templars and the Chantry grow distant in their position on mages, making the Nevarran Accord non applicable anymore. From what I read both Lambert and Justinia tried to outmanouver the other.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The issue is not that mages should be regulated . the question is why should the templars being doing it. the answer is no the templars many crimes caused the mess in DAI. and the templars under lambert are traitors to chantry and caused a war upon orlesian soil which has caused even more deaths. In short they are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

Technically the Templars aren't traitors since all they did was voiding a contract signed centuries ago. And it wasn't just the Templars who started that war. You know those mage fellas? Yeah, they gave a helping hand in starting that war aswell. Funny how it takes two to tango.

You could interpret breaking faith with the Divine as being "traitors", I guess.

Of course. But objectively speaking you would be wrong in doing so. I'd also be more inclined to say that it was the Divine who broke the faith of the Templars. In the end, it was by no means an ideal situation for anyone.... Except for the anarchists... Damn punks...

I am not saying that I personally say that Lambert was the only "traitor". Both sides more broke the Nevarran Accords by the their actions. Indeed, it was not an ideal situation for any side.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Also, Lambert tried to circumvent Justinia by having Evangeline kill the mages if they discovered a way to reverse Tranquility.

And Justinia tried to circumvent Lambert by ordering Wynne send relevant information to all the Circle before arriving in Val-Royeaux.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

I'd say that the templars and the Chantry grow distant in their position on mages, making the Nevarran Accord non applicable anymore. From what I read both Lambert and Justinia tried to outmanouver the other.

It was very Orlesian of them, more or less. I loved the dynamic between the two. It makes me wonder how much they had butted heads before Asunder.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Also, Lambert tried to circumvent Justinia by having Evangeline kill the mages if they discovered a way to reverse Tranquility.

And Justinia tried to circumvent Lambert by ordering Wynne send relevant information to all the Circle before arriving in Val-Royeaux.

Actually, Wynne didn't tell the Divine about the sending to all the Circles. Justinia was unaware until Wynne told her in the Grand Cathedral.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I think the Templars had just grown too accustomed to having a Divine who were easily manipulated. Divine Justinia is not only not a pushover, she is also a radical. This would take awhile for the Templars to aclimatize to, but the war kinda made that redundant.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I'd say that the templars and the Chantry grow distant in their position on mages, making the Nevarran Accord non applicable anymore. From what I read both Lambert and Justinia tried to outmanouver the other.

It was very Orlesian of them, more or less. I loved the dynamic between the two. It makes me wonder how much they had butted heads before Asunder.

Wasn't Lambert from Tevinter, though?
About the post of Red templars, I hope too that they are just an extremistic faction that don't rapresent all the templars at war with the mages. I'd say that that the red templars might not even be involved in the war against the mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Would be odd to call them "Red Templars" instead of just Templars, if indeed they were ALL the Templars.
But I wouldn't mind if the Templars are indeed all "Red Templars" for as long as BioWare can give thema compelling story, motivation and allow you to side with them then.
If they are going to treat the Templars like they did Cerberus, then BioWare is just putting another nail in their story-development coffin.