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[thetinyevil]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...


I'm not pro-mage nor am I pro-templar. 

Yet you're more than happy to call me a bigot for expressing how idiotic I felt that argument was.

So I guess you're just a person who loves to throw around baseless accusations. Congrats.

I misunderstood you response. I'm really new to these fourms.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

thetinyevil wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...


I'm not pro-mage nor am I pro-templar. 

Yet you're more than happy to call me a bigot for expressing how idiotic I felt that argument was.

So I guess you're just a person who loves to throw around baseless accusations. Congrats.

I misunderstood you response. I'm really new to these fourms.

Think of this as a rough lesson in how these forums operate. A learning experience if you will.

This is the wild west, where mods ban first and ask questions later and everyone picks themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Also where some pretty gross and or offensive folks frolic freely and flaunt their freedom in the faces of fellow posters.

[SgtSteel91]

It seems to me that all of this always comes back to the dangers of mages coming from demon possession. There needs to be more research into combating demon possessions, beyond mental training, or outright preventing demon possession if mages want more freedom.

[thetinyevil]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...


I'm not pro-mage nor am I pro-templar. 

Yet you're more than happy to call me a bigot for expressing how idiotic I felt that argument was.

So I guess you're just a person who loves to throw around baseless accusations. Congrats.

I misunderstood you response. I'm really new to these fourms.

Sorry. I normally don't go off on people like that. I just don't like being accussed of something like that, with no reason.

No problem. I most likely would have done the same thing.

[thetinyevil]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

It seems to me that all of this always comes back to the dangers of mages coming from demon possession. There needs to be more research into combating demon possessions, beyond mental training, or outright preventing demon possession if mages want more freedom.

But isn't that kind of research band by the Chantry isn't? 

Modifié par thetinyevil, 23 novembre 2013 - 03:16 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Also, to the point that not every mage is a bad person, so laws shouldn't be made that impede mages.

We live in a society where laws are reactionary and assume people have a desire to commit crimes over being average well behaved citizens. Things like speed limits, turning laws, drinking and driving laws, gun registration red tapes, terry stops, custodial interrogation laws, warrants, reasonable suspicion, etc, all exist because they assume people will exploit or abuse others if there were not laws and regulations set up to stop them. And they apply to everyone, as there is no one definitive way to tell how a person is, if they are good or bad or crazy or sound of mind.

There isn't any real option that allows the prevention of crime and harm to innocents is to apply the law to everyone, and so the circles become a necessary measure in order to keep mages in an environment where it can be assured they follow the law. Especially with the lack of surveillance technology our age has at abundance.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

[SgtSteel91]

thetinyevil wrote...

But isn't that kind of research band by the Chantry isn't? 

When the alternatives seem to be things like "eternal genocide of all mages ever" then I can see the pros outweighing the cons. Especially if it can eliminate the "all mages are time bombs waiting to go off" aspect of the issue, which seems to be a sticking point to most people.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 23 novembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[Br3admax]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

[SgtSteel91]

How do demon possessions even work?
Does it only apply to mages is everyone at risk of being possessed, but mages have a higher chance of being possessed?
How does being a Blood Mage increase a mage's chances of being possessed?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 23 novembre 2013 - 03:32 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

How do you know this? Are there dwarves that have become abominations?

But then, why would Tranquil lose their emotions, if having emotions doesn't require being connected to the Fade?

And are there any non-mages that have been made Tranquil?

[Br3admax]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

How do demon possessions even work?
Does it only apply to mages is everyone at risk of being possessed, just that mages have a higher chance of being possessed?
How is being a Blood Mage increase a mage's chances of being possessed?

1. They take over the body and mind.
2. The later.
3. You weaken the Veil around you, and power is very enticing.

[Br3admax]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

How do you know this? Are there dwarves that have become abominations?

But then, why would Tranquil lose their emotions, if having emotions doesn't require being connected to the Fade?

And are there any non-mages that have been made Tranquil?

1. It has to be forced by a mage, but it can happen. Also, only mages can become true abominations.
2. Dwarves don't work the same as humans or elves. They aren't of the same origin or makeup. They operate        differently.
3. No reason to do that, but it is possible. It comes from severing the connection to the Fade, which all that dream there have. Also, one boy was born Tranquil.

Modifié par Br3ad, 23 novembre 2013 - 03:36 .

[HiroVoid]

thetinyevil wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

It seems to me that all of this always comes back to the dangers of mages coming from demon possession. There needs to be more research into combating demon possessions, beyond mental training, or outright preventing demon possession if mages want more freedom.

But isn't that kind of research band by the Chantry isn't? 

Weak source, but there was a chanter's board quest that showed the chantry was interested in researching the galls of possessed corpses.

[SgtSteel91]

Br3ad wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

How do demon possessions even work?

They take over the body and mind.

I'm sincerely sorry but is there a more elaborate explanation?

Like can a demon just brute force their way into controlling a person because if so why aren't there more cases of demon possession?

[dragonflight288]

Br3ad wrote...

I'm more pro-mage than pro-Templar. Continue to make assumptions.

Just because I support one side more than the other, does not mean that I will ignore their dangers. Such actions are foolish, and quite frankly worse than the alternative or seeing only the dangers.

To quote Flemeth in a way that agrees with you here...

"Close your eyes shut, or open your arms wide, either way, one's a fool."

[Br3admax]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

How do demon possessions even work?

They take over the body and mind.

I'm sincerely sorry but is there a more elaborate explanation?

Like can a demon just brute force their way into controlling a person because if so why aren't there more cases of demon possession?

Demons want similar power to that which they have in the Fade. Thus, they go after mages. Most demons aren't super powerful however, so the already few mages can normally resist them. That's why. Also, consider that the Veil is extremely strong, most of the time, and that mages dream aware. 

[thetinyevil]

@ HiroVoid I was asking a question.
I don't know if is band or not that is why I was asking.

[dragonflight288]

thetinyevil wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

It seems to me that all of this always comes back to the dangers of mages coming from demon possession. There needs to be more research into combating demon possessions, beyond mental training, or outright preventing demon possession if mages want more freedom.

But isn't that kind of research band by the Chantry isn't? 

In general, yes. There have been a few exception in the lore, like Adalla. The Codex and the devs have confirmed she was a Tevinter Magister who was researching ways to combat a blood mages mind-domination, and had to flee Tevinter because the Magisters disapporved of her research, so she went to the White Chantry, and the Litany of Adralla was made through her research there.

I have no doubt she had to practice blood magic extensively, if only to test the effectiveness of the capaity to resist mind-domination.

But more often than not, demonology and blood magic research is a death sentence without a trial.

[thetinyevil]

Thank you.

[dragonflight288]

You're welcome.

[Steelcan]

Every time I come into this section I get a little more saddened by this place.

This place is so much more uptight than the ME section

Which I find much more ironic because DA seems to take itself less seriously than ME

Modifié par Steelcan, 23 novembre 2013 - 04:21 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

You know pro-templars remind me of the ****s white people during the Civil Rights movement. You know like the cops who would spray high pressure fire hoses into a crowd of peaceful protesters or sick attack dogs on them. Then there are the others would would beat a black kid to death for being "uppity" or having the addasity to think they were the same as the white folk. You are just like them. Saying it is okay to take everything a black person has and destroy it, such as their homes and business, then hang them from the nearest tree because they dared to be like the good white folk and not stay in their place.

If we are to take away just ONE good thing from the pro-templars, then let it be the fact, that we are not prone to godwinning the **** out of an argument, or attempting to come upo with absolute bull**** like this. At least we attempt to stay grounded in the lore, and in reason (usually).

SgtSteel91 wrote...

It seems to me that all of this always comes back to the dangers of mages coming from demon possession. There needs to be more research into combating demon possessions, beyond mental training, or outright preventing demon possession if mages want more freedom.

Mages have had several thousands years of research to find a way to make themselves immune to possession. You know what all they've come up with in this time is? Tranquility.
What makes you think that immunity is even a possibility given the lack of results for several thousand years?

DKJaigen wrote...

You know i find it hillarious that you continually use  warhammer 40 k images. you know the same wh40k wherr the imperium is losing the war agains a foe they do not understand and dont want to understand because they are to blinded by their own religious stupidity, biggotery and internal corruption. And they could actually win the war if theri where willing to change. 

So they are like templars, but templars are even less intelligent. 

Wow.... And Warhammer 40k's story is actually rather 1 dimensional, and yet you fail to understand it... Bravo indeed.

Inprea wrote...
Keepers rule through what means? If the keepers rule by the consent of those they rule isn't that the most just form of government there is? Ruling by consent of the people. As long as the keeper isn't using violence or mind control to force its clan to do as they will I don't see the problem.

Technically nobles rule by the consent of the masses too. In the case of the Keepers, it is because of tradition. The Dalish mundanes are content with Keepers lording over them, because that is how tradition dictates it has to be.

[BlueMagitek]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

Actually, considering that Dwarves can be taken into the Fade, it's more likely that the Stone protects them from its influence, but once they go top world, that protection fades away. `_^