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[EmperorSahlertz]

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

Actually Dwarves are connected to the Fade, but they are "deafened" to it. Which means that they do not dream, which aso mean they have no reflection in the Fade while they sleep. So a demon would never be tempted to possess a Dwarf, since it would never come into contact with one.

[Br3admax]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

Actually Dwarves are connected to the Fade, but they are "deafened" to it. Which means that they do not dream, which aso mean they have no reflection in the Fade while they sleep. So a demon would never be tempted to possess a Dwarf, since it would never come into contact with one.

Dwarves are connected to the Fade as much as my brain waves are connected to yours. 

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

Actually Dwarves are connected to the Fade, but they are "deafened" to it. Which means that they do not dream, which aso mean they have no reflection in the Fade while they sleep. So a demon would never be tempted to possess a Dwarf, since it would never come into contact with one.

Dwarves are connected to the Fade as much as my brain waves are connected to yours. 

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Br3ad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

Actually Dwarves are connected to the Fade, but they are "deafened" to it. Which means that they do not dream, which aso mean they have no reflection in the Fade while they sleep. So a demon would never be tempted to possess a Dwarf, since it would never come into contact with one.

Dwarves are connected to the Fade as much as my brain waves are connected to yours. 

Admittedly I am no brain experts, but sadly Dwarves ARE connected to the Fade. There is no discussion on the matter. They have however over the years, developed a natural immunity, presumably through their constant exposure to Lyrium. However, after a given amount a of time on the surface, a dwarf will lose this immunity, and begin to dream, proving that Dwarves are indeed conencted to the Fade.

[SgtSteel91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mages have had several thousands years of research to find a way to make themselves immune to possession. You know what all they've come up with in this time is? Tranquility.
What makes you think that immunity is even a possibility given the lack of results for several thousand years?

Well apparently the study of demons themselves is banned by the Chantry so maybe there are still some options out there if mages can study demons and demon possession directly.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mages have had several thousands years of research to find a way to make themselves immune to possession. You know what all they've come up with in this time is? Tranquility.
What makes you think that immunity is even a possibility given the lack of results for several thousand years?

Well apparently the study of demons themselves is banned by the Chantry so maybe there are still some options out there if mages can study demons and demon possession directly.

Tevinter has found nothing since it broke from the chantry hundreds of years ago. This is a pretty good sign that trying to find a way to make yourself immue to possession might be in the same vein as trying to find a way to drink cyanide and not die.

[SgtSteel91]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Tevinter has found nothing since it broke from the chantry hundreds of years ago. This is a pretty good sign that trying to find a way to make yourself immue to possession might be in the same vein as trying to find a way to drink cyanide and not die.

Is there any source that they are devoting serious manpower into the study of demons and possessions?

edit:

Maybe there isn't a way to make a mage 100% possession proof but maybe find a way to make a mage less noticable to a demon or at least greatly decrease the chances of getting possessed?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 23 novembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

Actually Dwarves are connected to the Fade, but they are "deafened" to it. Which means that they do not dream, which aso mean they have no reflection in the Fade while they sleep. So a demon would never be tempted to possess a Dwarf, since it would never come into contact with one.

Dwarves are connected to the Fade as much as my brain waves are connected to yours. 

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

Brain waves are connected, but they are not intuned, usually, thus the point still stands. 

[TheButterflyEffect]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Out of curiosity, is it possible for a dwarf to be possessed?

Also, if being Tranquil is the result of a mage losing their connection to the Fade, then why doesn't that make all dwarves Tranquil?

And can non-mages be made Tranquil?

1. Yes.
2. They were never connected ot the Fade in the first place.
3. Yes. 

Actually Dwarves are connected to the Fade, but they are "deafened" to it. Which means that they do not dream, which aso mean they have no reflection in the Fade while they sleep. So a demon would never be tempted to possess a Dwarf, since it would never come into contact with one.

Dwarves are connected to the Fade as much as my brain waves are connected to yours. 

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

But they still cannot be mages..

If I may, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

[thetinyevil]

I know this will probably sound really stupid but I wonder if they(mages, Templars, or the chantry) could create some kind of ward that can hide mages from demons in the Fade and/or stop demons from possessing them.

[thetinyevil]

@Thebutterflyeffect: What about Sandle? The "Not Enchantment" thing he did to the oger?

[TheButterflyEffect]

thetinyevil wrote...

@Thebutterflyeffect: What about Sandle? The "Not Enchantment" thing he did to the oger?

I honestly have no theories about that kid... 

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 23 novembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[thetinyevil]

Same here but I am really hoping we at least get some clue about what and/or who he real is in DA:I.

[SgtSteel91]

thetinyevil wrote...

I know this will probably sound really stupid but I wonder if they(mages, Templars, or the chantry) could create some kind of ward that can hide mages from demons in the Fade and/or stop demons from possessing them.

Who knows, maybe if there was any serious study in combating demons then it might be possible V:mellow:V

[Dave of Canada]

Morocco Mole wrote...

If you bring in real life struggles and suffering of people that in no way compares to the mage/templar conflict you deserve to resoundingly mocked and laughed out of the forum.

Dunno, I'm often tempted to make my forum avatar into Hitler due to how many times I've been called a ****.

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

Brain waves are connected, but they are not intuned, usually, thus the point still stands. 

I'm not sure what "intuned" means unless you mean "attuned," but even so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.  All the available evidence DOES indicate that dwarves have a connection to the Fade just as elves and humans (and presumably Kossith).  The DA lore basically indicates that emotional capacity stems from a connection to the Fade, and dwarves, within Orzammar and on the surface, all have their ability to feel emotion fully intact.  Further, what was already pointed out: dwarves that move to (or live their entire lives on the surface, per Varric), lose their lyrium resistance and gain the ability to dream.  All these things indicate that dwarves do very much have a connection to the Fade, but that constant exposure to lyrium (the Stone?) somehow make them immune or at least highly resistant to it.

Modifié par Silfren, 23 novembre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

Brain waves are connected, but they are not intuned, usually, thus the point still stands. 

I'm not sure what "intuned" means unless you mean "attuned," but even so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.  All the available evidence DOES indicate that dwarves have a connection to the Fade just as elves and humans (and presumably Kossith).  The DA lore basically indicates that emotional capacity stems from a connection to the Fade, and dwarves, within Orzammar and on the surface, all have their ability to feel emotion fully intact.  Further, what was already pointed out: dwarves that move to (or live their entire lives on the surface, per Varric), lose their lyrium resistance and gain the ability to dream.  All these things indicate that dwarves do very much have a connection to the Fade, but that constant exposure to lyrium (the Stone?) somehow make them immune or at least highly resistant to it.

One, my spelling error aside, the metaphor is not wrong.
Two, can you know what someone is thinking without them telling you? No. You are not attuned to said brain waves. Dwarves, similarly, cannot be seen in the Fade. This of course will not be exact, but analogies rarely are, this one however, is pretty close. It's never going to be an exact science. Nothing ever will be when dealing with things like magical rocks made out of a realm of magic. An exact analogy should not be needed. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 23 novembre 2013 - 06:19 .

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

Brain waves are connected, but they are not intuned, usually, thus the point still stands. 

I'm not sure what "intuned" means unless you mean "attuned," but even so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.  All the available evidence DOES indicate that dwarves have a connection to the Fade just as elves and humans (and presumably Kossith).  The DA lore basically indicates that emotional capacity stems from a connection to the Fade, and dwarves, within Orzammar and on the surface, all have their ability to feel emotion fully intact.  Further, what was already pointed out: dwarves that move to (or live their entire lives on the surface, per Varric), lose their lyrium resistance and gain the ability to dream.  All these things indicate that dwarves do very much have a connection to the Fade, but that constant exposure to lyrium (the Stone?) somehow make them immune or at least highly resistant to it.

One, my spelling error aside, the metaphor is not wrong.
Two, can you know what someone is thinking without them telling you? No. You are not attuned to said brain waves. Dwarves, similarly, cannot be seen in the Fade. This of course will not be exact, but analogies rarely are, this one however, is pretty close. It's never going to be an exact science. Nothing ever will be when dealing with things like magical rocks made out of a realm of magic. An exact analogy should not be needed. 

This isn't about faulty analogies.  You first said that no, dwarves are not connected to the Fade, and then you said that they are about as connected to the Fade as "my brain waves are connected to yours,"  which is just another way of reiterating the same statement that dwarves have no connection to the Fade.

So I don't know or care whatever the hell it is you're trying to say now about attunements or metaphors or exact analogies.  You asserted that dwarves are NOT connected to the Fade, and I'm telling you that the available evidence strongly suggests that that is not true.

Modifié par Silfren, 23 novembre 2013 - 06:27 .

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

On the contrary, the dwarves do seem to be connected to the Fade but are "deaf" to it as suggested.  Surface dwarves gain the ability to dream, I think, just as they also lose their resistance to lyrium.  So it does appear that something about the Stone imparts an immunity to dwarves that, er, fades when they move to the surface. 

Brain waves are connected, but they are not intuned, usually, thus the point still stands. 

I'm not sure what "intuned" means unless you mean "attuned," but even so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.  All the available evidence DOES indicate that dwarves have a connection to the Fade just as elves and humans (and presumably Kossith).  The DA lore basically indicates that emotional capacity stems from a connection to the Fade, and dwarves, within Orzammar and on the surface, all have their ability to feel emotion fully intact.  Further, what was already pointed out: dwarves that move to (or live their entire lives on the surface, per Varric), lose their lyrium resistance and gain the ability to dream.  All these things indicate that dwarves do very much have a connection to the Fade, but that constant exposure to lyrium (the Stone?) somehow make them immune or at least highly resistant to it.

One, my spelling error aside, the metaphor is not wrong.
Two, can you know what someone is thinking without them telling you? No. You are not attuned to said brain waves. Dwarves, similarly, cannot be seen in the Fade. This of course will not be exact, but analogies rarely are, this one however, is pretty close. It's never going to be an exact science. Nothing ever will be when dealing with things like magical rocks made out of a realm of magic. An exact analogy should not be needed. 

Hokay, whatever, this isn't about faulty analogies.  You first said that no, dwarves are not connected to the Fade, and then you said that they are about as connected to the Fade as "my brain waves are connected to yours,"  which is just another way of reiterating the same statement that dwarves have no connection to the Fade.

So I don't know or care whatever the hell it is you're trying to say now about attunements.  You asserted that dwarves are NOT connected to the Fade, and I'm telling you that the available evidence strongly suggests that that is not true.

What I typed and what I meant where not the same, as I was answering multiple questions at the same time. Of course, the ad hominem aside, I can admit when I am wrong and I was. Of course I did know about these things before and have spoken of them in this very thread and the Templar one, including the things about surfice dwarves. I thought that my clarification covered this, but of course in an effort to be antagonistic, you ignored this. 

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
One, my spelling error aside, the metaphor is not wrong.
Two, can you know what someone is thinking without them telling you? No. You are not attuned to said brain waves. Dwarves, similarly, cannot be seen in the Fade. This of course will not be exact, but analogies rarely are, this one however, is pretty close. It's never going to be an exact science. Nothing ever will be when dealing with things like magical rocks made out of a realm of magic. An exact analogy should not be needed.

Hokay, whatever, this isn't about faulty analogies.  You first said that no, dwarves are not connected to the Fade, and then you said that they are about as connected to the Fade as "my brain waves are connected to yours,"  which is just another way of reiterating the same statement that dwarves have no connection to the Fade.

So I don't know or care whatever the hell it is you're trying to say now about attunements.  You asserted that dwarves are NOT connected to the Fade, and I'm telling you that the available evidence strongly suggests that that is not true.

What I typed and what I meant where not the same, as I was answering multiple questions at the same time. Of course, the ad hominem aside, I can admit when I am wrong and I was. Of course I did know about these things before and have spoken of them in this very thread and the Templar one, including the things about surfice dwarves. I thought that my clarification covered this, but of course in an effort to be antagonistic, you ignored this. 

Ad hominem?  What ad hom?  There aren't any ad homs to speak of.

Edited to keep the quote pyramid reasonable.

Modifié par Silfren, 23 novembre 2013 - 06:54 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

But, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

[Ieldra]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

The dwarf would lose emotions and motivations? Just like everyone else who's made Tranquil?

[TheButterflyEffect]

Ieldra2 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

The dwarf would lose emotions and motivations? Just like everyone else who's made Tranquil?

But it works by several one's connection to the Fade. The dwarves either have no connection, or their connection is very, very weak.