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[TEWR]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

The dwarf would lose emotions and motivations? Just like everyone else who's made Tranquil?

But it works by several one's connection to the Fade. The dwarves either have no connection, or their connection is very, very weak.

They have a connection, it's just that it's not an active one. Dwarves can enter the Fade, which requires a connection in the first place, but they just don't do so naturally (meaning when they sleep). But they can be forced into it, like in the case of the Sloth Demon/First for Utha, Dwarf Wardens, Oghren, and Sigrun.

[TheButterflyEffect]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

The dwarf would lose emotions and motivations? Just like everyone else who's made Tranquil?

But it works by several one's connection to the Fade. The dwarves either have no connection, or their connection is very, very weak.

They have a connection, it's just that it's not an active one. Dwarves can enter the Fade, which requires a connection in the first place, but they just don't do so naturally (meaning when they sleep). But they can be forced into it, like in the case of the Sloth Demon/First for Utha, Dwarf Wardens, Oghren, and Sigrun.

Then, if being on the surface for a while makes them connect to it, then why would they not be able to use magic?

[Hellion Rex]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But, what would happen if the Rite of Tranquility was attempted on a dwarf?

The dwarf would lose emotions and motivations? Just like everyone else who's made Tranquil?

But it works by several one's connection to the Fade. The dwarves either have no connection, or their connection is very, very weak.

They have a connection, it's just that it's not an active one. Dwarves can enter the Fade, which requires a connection in the first place, but they just don't do so naturally (meaning when they sleep). But they can be forced into it, like in the case of the Sloth Demon/First for Utha, Dwarf Wardens, Oghren, and Sigrun.

Then, if being on the surface for a while makes them connect to it, then why would they not be able to use magic?

I believe that something else is blinding them to utilizing the Fade like a mage can. More than just their lyrium resistance.

[Vilegrim]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It was certainly something. A head transplant without any notable medical technology is damned impressive. And, either Leandra never actually died until Quentin's magic stopped working, or she did die but Quentin was able to keep her soul in her body; both of those are very interesting.

I guess in my experiences I mentally differentiate healing from necromancy.

but it worked completly differently from any other necromancy we have seen in DA, previously those where possessed corpses, this was something else entirely.

Also I still have the DnD healing = necromancy school idea in my head.

[EmperorSahlertz]

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about the Nevarran Death Cult? Do they do anything special?

[thetinyevil]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about all of the stumbling corps? That could be considered a sort of necromancy.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about the Nevarran Death Cult? Do they do anything special?

All they do is revere the dead and bury their dead instead of burning them. Of course they might be revealed later to be of a more sinister nature, but we havn't seen evidence for that yet.

thetinyevil wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about all of the stumbling corps? That could be considered a sort of necromancy.

Not really. It isn't necromancy to summon a Fade spirit and force it to inhabit the corpse a of long deceased person.

[Dave of Canada]

Yeah, as Sahlertz said. "Raising" the dead lore-wise is about as relevant to necromancy as making a demon possess a lamp, the only benefit of dead corpses being that they can take arms and wear armor.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 novembre 2013 - 01:09 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

I would like to see a demon possessed lamp though.. It would turn off the light at the most inoppertune times!

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about the Nevarran Death Cult? Do they do anything special?

All they do is revere the dead and bury their dead instead of burning them. Of course they might be revealed later to be of a more sinister nature, but we havn't seen evidence for that yet.

thetinyevil wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about all of the stumbling corps? That could be considered a sort of necromancy.

Not really. It isn't necromancy to summon a Fade spirit and force it to inhabit the corpse a of long deceased person.

When you speak of necromancy, are you talking more about the raising of souls and binding them to the mortal plane?

[Dave of Canada]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I would like to see a demon possessed lamp though.. It would turn off the light at the most inoppertune times!

The threat of demonic lamps is enough to warrant keeping mages in circles.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Most assuredly. Demon possessed lamps are probably a mage plot to take over the world to begin with. I mean, how would the mundanes ever learn to read without lighting?? Damn mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about the Nevarran Death Cult? Do they do anything special?

All they do is revere the dead and bury their dead instead of burning them. Of course they might be revealed later to be of a more sinister nature, but we havn't seen evidence for that yet.

thetinyevil wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about all of the stumbling corps? That could be considered a sort of necromancy.

Not really. It isn't necromancy to summon a Fade spirit and force it to inhabit the corpse a of long deceased person.

When you speak of necromancy, are you talking more about the raising of souls and binding them to the mortal plane?

That is necromancy. To bind the spirit of a deceased within his own corpse and forcing him to follow your commands. Basically what Quintin did.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about the Nevarran Death Cult? Do they do anything special?

All they do is revere the dead and bury their dead instead of burning them. Of course they might be revealed later to be of a more sinister nature, but we havn't seen evidence for that yet.

thetinyevil wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

We havn't seen any other sort of necromancy in Dragon Age...

What about all of the stumbling corps? That could be considered a sort of necromancy.

Not really. It isn't necromancy to summon a Fade spirit and force it to inhabit the corpse a of long deceased person.

When you speak of necromancy, are you talking more about the raising of souls and binding them to the mortal plane?

That is necromancy. To bind the spirit of a deceased within his own corpse and forcing him to follow your commands. Basically what Quintin did.

Quentin seems to be quite the rare case. I do not think we have ever really seen such powerful necromantic skills before him. I guess that such magic requires the use of blood to make it so powerful.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...
Quentin seems to be quite the rare case. I do not think we have ever really seen such powerful necromantic skills before him. I guess that such magic requires the use of blood to make it so powerful.

What about the  Animate Dead spell that we can obtain in Origins?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Quentin seems to be quite the rare case. I do not think we have ever really seen such powerful necromantic skills before him. I guess that such magic requires the use of blood to make it so powerful.

What about the  Animate Dead spell that we can obtain in Origins?

Well spells from gameplay are hardly that what actually mage can do that same for other classes when some of their skills are impossible without magic or something like that but still they are in gameplay.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Quentin seems to be quite the rare case. I do not think we have ever really seen such powerful necromantic skills before him. I guess that such magic requires the use of blood to make it so powerful.

What about the  Animate Dead spell that we can obtain in Origins?

That is not necromancy either, since the mage is the one exercising control over the corpse. There is no spirit involved, just the mage multi-tasking.

[Hellion Rex]

With the tearing of the Veil, I am curious to see other types of forgotten, weird, and mysterious types of magic introduced.

[thetinyevil]

I'm also curious how it will affect the mage's use of their mana. Will they have more due to the loss of the veil since Mage's get their powers from the fade and now with nothing separating the two how that would affect their mana pools.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mana is supposedly the "magic muscle". The tearing of the veil should not influence the effectiveness of the muscle anymore than additional oxygen effects a regular muscle (ie. it gets more fuel, but the muscle is not stronger persay).

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mana is supposedly the "magic muscle". The tearing of the veil should not influence the effectiveness of the muscle anymore than additional oxygen effects a regular muscle (ie. it gets more fuel, but the muscle is not stronger persay).

More mana then?

[Hellion Rex]

I am curious if Vivienne's teleporting dash thing is something mages can already do, or is a result of the Veil tearing..

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well I am not sure if mana is the name of the "magic muscle" or the energy coursing through it. But if it is the name of the energy, then yes, the veil tears might result in more mana. But a mage weak in his conenction will not suddenly have grown a stronger one.

And we already had mages in DA2 making magical dashes across the battlefield, so it is not something new developed because of the veil tears.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Well I am not sure if mana is the name of the "magic muscle" or the energy coursing through it. But if it is the name of the energy, then yes, the veil tears might result in more mana. But a mage weak in his conenction will not suddenly have grown a stronger one.

And we already had mages in DA2 making magical dashes across the battlefield, so it is not something new developed because of the veil tears.

After rereading Asunder, I am inclined to believe that this might be the case. I noticed that right after mages start fighting in the White Spire near the end, and the Veil starts ripping, Rhys mentions that he felt a lot more power at his command.
"The power … it was like nothing he had ever tapped into before. It flowed through his veins, filling him up."