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[illusive.man]

[Greetsme]

I would have thought that if you loved the mass effect series, then you would naturally love Shepard. Why would you want for someone that you love to die?
Okay, another story and another hero, but knowing that Shepard survived, would make the next story that more compelling don't you think?
I would not be very keen to play another Mass effect game, knowing that my hero was going to die at it's end.

Modifié par Greetsme, 17 novembre 2013 - 08:53 .

[illusive.man]

Greetsme wrote...

I would have thought that if you loved the mass effect series, then you would naturally love Shepard. Why would you want for someone that you love to die?
Okay, another story and another hero, but knowing that Shepard survived, would make the next story that more compelling don't you think?
I would not be very keen to play another Mass effect game, knowing that my hero was going to die at it's end.

I agree !
Shepard deserves a better ending
Shepard deserves another game

[LiL Reapur]

Omg just play baldur's gate a bioware original and i bet this ME3 ending business would be out of your thoughts for sure. So yea go play Baldur's gate!

Also your beating a dead horse here that is nothing but dust as of now

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 17 novembre 2013 - 09:00 .

[MegaIllusiveMan]

illusive.man wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

OP, you haven't been on BSN long, have you?

Damn, this things are/were said countless and countless times.

Hell, even those that said that don't want to say it anymore 'cause they're tired of it(IROOOONY!)

But, okay.

Could someone please insert The Joker's Gif "Here we go again" for Old Uncle Mega? Thx in Advance!

sometimes its good to raise the issue again so people will listen

I know, but come on!

It's been almost 2 years this game was released and people are still butthurting on the endings and things that were discussed, again, countless times that we even got tired of listening to it.

Also, no GIF yet?

Lol @Tickle

[illusive.man]

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

illusive.man wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

OP, you haven't been on BSN long, have you?

Damn, this things are/were said countless and countless times.

Hell, even those that said that don't want to say it anymore 'cause they're tired of it(IROOOONY!)

But, okay.

Could someone please insert The Joker's Gif "Here we go again" for Old Uncle Mega? Thx in Advance!

sometimes its good to raise the issue again so people will listen

I know, but come on!

It's been almost 2 years this game was released and people are still butthurting on the endings and things that were discussed, again, countless times that we even got tired of listening to it.

Also, no GIF yet?

Lol @Tickle

Im not fighting the ending im fighting  for Shepard

[Greetsme]

LiL Reapur wrote...

Omg just play baldur's gate a bioware original and i bet this ME3 ending business would be out of your thoughts for sure. So yea go play Baldur's gate!

Also your beating a dead horse here that is nothing but dust as of now

I did play Baldurs gate, more than once.  
That dead horse of what you speak,  is for all sense and purpose, alive and kicking, in a new story that is now being developed.  Beating that horse may now get you somewhere.  

Modifié par Greetsme, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[maaaad365]

Greetsme wrote...

I would have thought that if you loved the mass effect series, then you would naturally love Shepard. Why would you want for someone that you love to die?
Okay, another story and another hero, but knowing that Shepard survived, would make the next story that more compelling don't you think?
I would not be very keen to play another Mass effect game, knowing that my hero was going to die at it's end.

We are turning into a nihilistic and fatalistic species, that's a fact and it is reflected in this game as well. I too see things as you do, Shepard MUST survive. That's why on my first playthrough ( one of the 2 I made in ME3- in ME1 I made almost 20 - wonder why ...) , I picked the blue ending, because he "survives" in some form. The other 2 endings kill him.

[JamesFaith]

Greetsme wrote...

That dead horse of what you speak,  is for all sense and purpose, alive and kicking, in a new story that is now being developed.  Beating that horse may now get you somewhere.  

So you moved from beating a dead horse to beating an unborn one?

[Nanox Vox]

Whelp, guess it's time to drag out what's left of that dead horse and try to beat what's left of it. 

I've said it before a million times, both on and off the forum, and I'll say it again once more.  I don't have the same feelings as most about the ending.  I don't think it's perfect, but I also don't hate it quite as violently as most on this forum does.  This is most likely do to the fact that I didn't finish my first play through of ME3 until the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLCs came out.  And after seeing the vanilla endings on youtube, I can see exactly why someone would be disappointed with it.  It's abrupt, it's jarring, it doesn't have a proper transition, it introduces several questionable elements very late into the narrative, and the final decision is very poorly implemented.  I will even go so far to say that the DLC doesn't fix all the problems of the ending. 

However, even if I had played through the original ending, I don't think that I would hate it nearly as much as some on the forums do, I don't think I would retroactively take back all the enjoyment I had with the series before the ending, and I especially don't think that I would declare Bioware a pariah in response. 

But most of all, I would not demand Bioware create a new ending that caters to my whims and claim that they should be ashamed of themselves for not doing so. 

The simple fact of the matter is, even if you sunk thousands of hours into the trilogy, even if you own every piece of merchandise that Bioware has produced, even if you love the series with all your heart and soul, this is the way Bioware wanted to end the trilogy.  You don't have creative control over the series.  You are a fan.  And while that is a fine thing to say, it doesn't mean that your opinion of how a story should be told is automatically better than the people who actually created it.

Now, some of you would say that since Bioware released the Extended Cut, that means that you have full right to tell Bioware exactly what you want and they should do exactly that.  But here's the thing, Bioware might have released the EC based on feedback and criticism from the fans, but that doesn't mean the fans are directly responsible for it.  They contributed to it, but they are not the sole reason for its existence.  Bioware didn't have to release the Extended Cut DLC.  I and many others are happy and thankful that they did, but they didn't need to release it.  They could have released a DLC that made the ending worse if they wanted.  It would have been a terrible, terrible idea and they would have suffered both from financial knock-back and fan backlash, but there is no reason they couldn't release it if that's what they really wanted to do. 

I'm not saying you should stop hating the ending.  I'm not even saying you should not vocalize your criticism to Bioware.  After all, hearing criticism from fans is the best way Bioware can see what they did wrong and strive to do better.  What I am saying, is that all this hate against the ending really isn't going to accomplish anything.  It won't put bioware out of business, it won't stop new fans without your baggage enjoying the series, and it definitely won't stop Bioware from moving on to more projects which, need I remind you, includes a new Mass Effect game.  And when that game comes out, I bet it will be a great game.  Will it be as good as the first trilogy?  Probably not, but it will still be a fine game that is worthy being part of the franchise.  But no matter how much you complain to Bioware about how the ending turned out, they won't release any more DLC or expansions two years after release and one year after they have said they are not making any more for the main game and they are not making a full remake of the game from scratch. 

And to the original poster, I am sorry you didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 and didn't get the ending you feel you deserve.  But saying that Bioware should be ashamed for not giving you what you want is immature, petty, and downright insulting to all the people who worked in the game.  Bioware has moved on.  I won't say that you should move on as well and just get over it.   But if you do, I think you will be a much happier, healthier, and less angry person for doing so. 

Modifié par Nanox Vox, 18 novembre 2013 - 11:15 .

[Little Princess Peach]

Greetsme wrote...

spinachdiaper wrote...

all i wanted was a ending were you personally destroyed the reapers. not the space magic catalyst crucible thing doing all the dirty work. preferable a somber ending with most of the universe in ruins and the galactic population could be less than 1% surviving but it would of been a honest victory earned instead of a choose your own misadventure endings

Yes, I'm sure that any one of us could have written a better ending in our lunch break, yet this was the best that the writers of the mighty Bioware could come up with.  It is very hard to believe.

Shepard enters the beam ends up on the citadel then he walks for five seconds has some dialouge, then fights the Illusiveman boss, then fights Harby then shep presses a button credits role

[Greetsme]

JamesFaith wrote...

Greetsme wrote...

That dead horse of what you speak,  is for all sense and purpose, alive and kicking, in a new story that is now being developed.  Beating that horse may now get you somewhere.  

So you moved from beating a dead horse to beating an unborn one?

I would never do such a thing. 

[Pressedcat]

Nanox Vox wrote...


Whelp, guess it's time to drag out what's left of that dead horse and try to beat what's left of it. 

I've said it before a million times, both on and off the forum, and I'll say it again once more.  I don't have the same feelings as most about the ending.  I don't think it's perfect, but I also don't hate it quite as violently as most on this forum does.  This is most likely do to the fact that I didn't finish my first play through of ME3 until the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLCs came out.  And after seeing the vanilla endings on youtube, I can see exactly why someone would be disappointed with it.  It's abrupt, it's jarring, it doesn't have a proper transition, it introduces several questionable elements very late into the narrative, and the final decision is very poorly implemented.  I will even go so far to say that the DLC doesn't fix all the problems of the ending. 

However, even if I had played through the original ending, I don't think that I would hate it nearly as much as some on the forums do, I don't think I would retroactively take back all the enjoyment I had with the series before the ending, and I especially don't think that I would declare Bioware a pariah in response. 

But most of all, I would not demand Bioware create a new ending that caters to my whims and claim that they should be ashamed of themselves for not doing so. 

The simple fact of the matter is, even if you sunk thousands of hours into the trilogy, even if you own every piece of merchandise that Bioware has produced, even if you love the series with all your heart and soul, this is the way Bioware wanted to end the trilogy.  You don't have creative control over the series.  You are a fan.  And while that is a fine thing to say, it doesn't mean that your opinion of how a story should be told is automatically better than the people who actually created it.

Now, some of you would say that since Bioware released the Extended Cut, that means that you have full right to tell Bioware exactly what you want and they should do exactly that.  But here's the thing, Bioware might have released the EC based on feedback and criticism from the fans, but that doesn't mean the fans are directly responsible for it.  They contributed to it, but they are not the sole reason for its existence.  Bioware didn't have to release the Extended Cut DLC.  I and many others are happy and thankful that they did, but they didn't need to release it.  They could have released a DLC that made the ending worse if they wanted.  It would have been a terrible, terrible idea and they would have suffered both from financial knock-back and fan backlash, but there is no reason they couldn't release it if that's what they really wanted to do. 

I'm not saying you should stop hating the ending.  I'm not even saying you should not vocalize your criticism to Bioware.  After all, hearing criticism from fans is the best way Bioware can see what they did wrong and strive to do better.  What I am saying, is that all this hate against the ending really isn't going to accomplish anything.  It won't put bioware out of business, it won't stop new fans without your baggage enjoying the series, and it definitely won't stop Bioware from moving on to more projects which, need I remind you, includes a new Mass Effect game.  And when that game comes out, I bet it will be a great game.  Will it be as good as the first trilogy?  Probably not, but it will still be a fine game that is worthy being part of the franchise.  But no matter how much you complain to Bioware about how the ending turned out, they won't release any more DLC or expansions two years after release and one year after they have said they are not making any more for the main game and they are not making a full remake of the game from scratch. 

And to the original poster, I am sorry you didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 and didn't get the ending you feel you deserve.  But saying that Bioware should be ashamed for not giving you what you want is immature, petty, and downright insulting to all the people who worked in the game.  Bioware has moved on.  I won't say that you should move on as well and just get over it.   But if you do, I think you will be a much happier, healthier, and less angry person for doing so. 

Well said.

[Greetsme]

Pressedcat wrote...

Nanox Vox wrote...


Whelp, guess it's time to drag out what's left of that dead horse and try to beat what's left of it. 

I've said it before a million times, both on and off the forum, and I'll say it again once more.  I don't have the same feelings as most about the ending.  I don't think it's perfect, but I also don't hate it quite as violently as most on this forum does.  This is most likely do to the fact that I didn't finish my first play through of ME3 until the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLCs came out.  And after seeing the vanilla endings on youtube, I can see exactly why someone would be disappointed with it.  It's abrupt, it's jarring, it doesn't have a proper transition, it introduces several questionable elements very late into the narrative, and the final decision is very poorly implemented.  I will even go so far to say that the DLC doesn't fix all the problems of the ending. 

However, even if I had played through the original ending, I don't think that I would hate it nearly as much as some on the forums do, I don't think I would retroactively take back all the enjoyment I had with the series before the ending, and I especially don't think that I would declare Bioware a pariah in response. 

But most of all, I would not demand Bioware create a new ending that caters to my whims and claim that they should be ashamed of themselves for not doing so. 

The simple fact of the matter is, even if you sunk thousands of hours into the trilogy, even if you own every piece of merchandise that Bioware has produced, even if you love the series with all your heart and soul, this is the way Bioware wanted to end the trilogy.  You don't have creative control over the series.  You are a fan.  And while that is a fine thing to say, it doesn't mean that your opinion of how a story should be told is automatically better than the people who actually created it.

Now, some of you would say that since Bioware released the Extended Cut, that means that you have full right to tell Bioware exactly what you want and they should do exactly that.  But here's the thing, Bioware might have released the EC based on feedback and criticism from the fans, but that doesn't mean the fans are directly responsible for it.  They contributed to it, but they are not the sole reason for its existence.  Bioware didn't have to release the Extended Cut DLC.  I and many others are happy and thankful that they did, but they didn't need to release it.  They could have released a DLC that made the ending worse if they wanted.  It would have been a terrible, terrible idea and they would have suffered both from financial knock-back and fan backlash, but there is no reason they couldn't release it if that's what they really wanted to do. 

I'm not saying you should stop hating the ending.  I'm not even saying you should not vocalize your criticism to Bioware.  After all, hearing criticism from fans is the best way Bioware can see what they did wrong and strive to do better.  What I am saying, is that all this hate against the ending really isn't going to accomplish anything.  It won't put bioware out of business, it won't stop new fans without your baggage enjoying the series, and it definitely won't stop Bioware from moving on to more projects which, need I remind you, includes a new Mass Effect game.  And when that game comes out, I bet it will be a great game.  Will it be as good as the first trilogy?  Probably not, but it will still be a fine game that is worthy being part of the franchise.  But no matter how much you complain to Bioware about how the ending turned out, they won't release any more DLC or expansions two years after release and one year after they have said they are not making any more for the main game and they are not making a full remake of the game from scratch. 

And to the original poster, I am sorry you didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 and didn't get the ending you feel you deserve.  But saying that Bioware should be ashamed for not giving you what you want is immature, petty, and downright insulting to all the people who worked in the game.  Bioware has moved on.  I won't say that you should move on as well and just get over it.   But if you do, I think you will be a much happier, healthier, and less angry person for doing so. 

Well said.

Of course it's well said, but it is also beside the point.  
This is a game forum, a game forum is for discussing all thing related to that game, and that is exactly what we are doing here.  I am not asking for you to give me my money back.

I read this morning that the mass effect 3 ending, is in the top 5 worst endings of all time, quite the achievement.

Modifié par Greetsme, 18 novembre 2013 - 04:23 .

[Iakus]

Greetsme wrote...

Of course it's well said, but it is also beside the point.  
This is a game forum, a game forum is for discussing all thing related to that game, and that is exactly what we are doing here.  I am not asking for you to give me my money back.

I read this morning that the mass effect 3 ending, is in the top 5 worst endings of all time, quite the achievement.

Yeah, but apparantly there's a statute of limitations on disapointment.

Now you have to either praise the game or GTFO

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

Yeah, but apparantly there's a statute of limitations on disapointment.

Now you have to either praise the game or GTFO

Or temper one's intentionally unyielding angst.   There is a happy medium. 

[SlottsMachine]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yeah, but apparantly there's a statute of limitations on disapointment.

Now you have to either praise the game or GTFO

Or temper one's intentionally unyielding angst.   There is a happy medium. 

Well I guess I'm outta here. 

[dreamgazer]

Greetsme wrote...

I read this morning that the mass effect 3 ending, is in the top 5 worst endings of all time, quite the achievement.

I also read, from a fairly noteworthy film critic, that the ending to Mass Effect 3 is spectacular. Also quite the achievement. For amusement, read the comments in that article. 

I dislike the ending's execution as well, falling somewhere in the middle with my impressions, but opinions on this do, in fact, vary. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...
I also read, from a fairly noteworthy film critic, that the ending to Mass Effect 3 is spectacular. Also quite the achievement. For amusement, read the comments in that article. 

I dislike the ending's execution as well, falling somewhere in the middle with my impressions, but opinions on this do, in fact, vary. 

Indeed.

Granted, I think the guy who wrote that about the Synthesis ending was really only praising it because it was 'different' or 'out there'.

Synthesis as it is (and how it fits into the series) simply doesn't stack up to much in an argument. It's one thing about the ending, and it's another thing about Synthesis. I simply do not see how it can be taken seriously as more than just space magic. The concept, the meaning behind it, yes. But not in how it ties into the series or is pulled off.

[Greetsme]

Is it also true that the ME3 ending was in someway copied and pasted from a game named Deus Ex?

[Br3admax]

Is it true that Deus Ex is literally a series about Deus Ex Machina, even having a game called as such, and thus is only using a common trope?

It's not like Deus Ex came up with such endings. Literature is full of them.

[dreamgazer]

Greetsme wrote...

Is it also true that the ME3 ending was in someway copied and pasted from a game named Deus Ex?

Perhaps, but Deus Ex certainly wasn't the origin of the "destroy, control, or merge" choice at the end of a science-fiction story.

[Greetsme]

dreamgazer wrote...

Greetsme wrote...

Is it also true that the ME3 ending was in someway copied and pasted from a game named Deus Ex?

Perhaps, but Deus Ex certainly wasn't the origin of the "destroy, control, or merge" choice at the end of a science-fiction story.

I see. Well that cleared that up.  

[Iakus]

Greetsme wrote...

Is it also true that the ME3 ending was in someway copied and pasted from a game named Deus Ex?

The original game, yeah.  It had it's own "Destory", "Control" and "Synthesis" endings.

But it also had the advantage of actually fitting into the story, and the entire final mission was about enacting one of the three choices (it's actually three simultaneous but mutually exculsive missions on the final map)