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[DesioPL]

For the god sake!

Stop flamming your mouths about that endings! Bioware don't care about our opinions anymore about that!

[durasteel]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Ending post-EC is great. Get over it.

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.

The EC took a disjointed mess of narrative derailment and added extra detail. The ending, even after the EC, introduces one of the least popular characters in any BioWare game and in the last minutes of the final act redraws the entire plot map to place this character at the center of everything. It leaves an apparent strong majority of the franchise's most ardent fans entirely dissatisfied, many even infuriated.

You may like the ending. You might even love the ending. You may feel strongly that the EC makes it delightful. On an empirical level, based on its impact, you cannot rationally suggest that it is "great."

Unless, of course, you completely misunderstand the meaning of the word "great."

[voteDC]

DesioPL wrote...

For the god sake!

Stop flamming your mouths about that endings! Bioware don't care about our opinions anymore about that!

Why does people wanting to talk about the endings of the game so infuriate some people.

If you don't want to participate in the threads, other to complain about them existing that is, why not start your own topic and get discussing things in that.

Honestly, at this point the people complaining about others discussing the ending are annoying me more than any ending discussion ever did.

Modifié par voteDC, 09 février 2014 - 03:44 .

[AtlasMickey]

durasteel wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Ending post-EC is great. Get over it.

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.

Shocking, that someone who likes a game and thinks it has a great ending would come on to that game's official fan forum and talk about how great the game is. Ridiculous!

Look in the mirror. You're the troll. You are the one trying to ruin a pleasent experience for people who enjoy something.

When you no longer enjoy that something, that doesn't mean everyone else has to stop.

This forum is our space. It's for people who like Mass Effect. At the very least it's for people who are comfortable with the idea of other people liking Mass Effect. If that doesn't describe you, you should leave.

It has to be said.

[voteDC]

AtlasMickey wrote...

It's for people who like Mass Effect. 

Its for people who want to discuss Mass Effect. Liking isn't really a necessary part.

Though I do agree with you that it would be nice to see trolls vanish, I would also like to see those who try to stop people discussing the ending vanish as well.

[AtlasMickey]

voteDC wrote...

Though I do agree with you that it would be nice to see trolls vanish, I would also like to see those who try to stop people discussing the ending vanish as well.

I see no such people.

[DarthLaxian]

Greetsme wrote...

  I have put countless hours into mass effect, and all that Shepard has been through, he/she, deserved a simple, happy and uplifting ending.  What did you give us?  You gave us the most ridiculous and pathetic ending that was ever thought up by a unstable and defeated mind.
Your games deal in peoples emotions, you should respect that power.  Shame on you Bioware. 

this i can agree with 100% i was enraged after the ending (note the singular - to me it's more or less one  ending with different colour explosions)...now only sadness and dissapointment remains, because they didn' take us serious with extended crap (and i am dissapointed by the fanbase, too because we caved in to early IMHO and didn't press the issue further)...i kind of feel betrayed still.

even more because they didn't just ruin the ending, they had to go out of their way to ruin the story, too (dropping the dark energy plot, explaining the reapers, making conventional victory impossible, even after havig succesfully stopped the reapers from shutting down the relays and uniting the galaxy which has not been done before...having cerberus turn stupid, ruining TIM's character etc.)

IMHO they royally screwed the pooch!

greetings LAX
ps: thank you EA and Mr. Gaider (note: i tend to like your writing normally - KOTOR for example was really well done and it's sith creed was really well written, too) why did you not put the original Mass Effect writers to use again, after all they had a plot thought out, did they not?

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 11 février 2014 - 09:12 .

[GimmeDaGun]

voteDC wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

It's for people who like Mass Effect. 

Its for people who want to discuss Mass Effect. Liking isn't really a necessary part.

Though I do agree with you that it would be nice to see trolls vanish, I would also like to see those who try to stop people discussing the ending vanish as well.

He can express his opinon about his negative feelings concerning the neverending ending (pun intended) threads in the ending threads as much as you can write endless pages full of your endless hatred for the ending. 

I'm bored to death by  this old and dull topic myself. I also find it wierd that some people just can't get over it. I'm not sayin they should like it, like I do, but come on... making such a fuss about it is a bit ridiculous. It's been two years. Bioware has moved on to other projects. They stated straight out that the reaper-trilogy is over in the ME-universe. Shepard and co. have run their course. Their story ended. The end, finita la musica. No more. It won't continue, it won't be changed... It will never happen. It's over. 

****ing about it for years won't change anything. Nothing. That's it. The only thing you achive by these threads is that you make yourself look like someone who can't cope with such a small thing as not liking the ending of your favourit game.  Man I'd hate to what it looks like if some of you break up with their significant others.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 11 février 2014 - 12:54 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Fraq Hound wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Well I have never seen this thread before. Bsn is so original

Can't be said enough IMO.

It's been two years since the game came out and 8 months since I last interacted with these forums.

However, returning here today... Yep. I'm still pretty bitter about how things went down.

And what do you think you achieve by saying it again and again beside making some others who feel the same way join you in your cries, and annoy others who are tired of this mantra. Because Bio. does not give a crap, just saying. They are producing other games at the moment. The ME-trilogy is over.

[Rodus Maxumus]

I finished the game after the EC had come out and I thought that was ****** poor then I checked to see if the EC had loaded properly and to my horror that ending was with the EC. That ending was an insult to the intelligence of the fans and a disservice to the franchise. This thread is not a whinge fest. It is about letting EA/BW know we expect better of them then a plagiarized ending that did not fit with the rest of the story and was full of plot holes.

[78stonewobble]

Hmm I'll take the opportunity to reiterate my oppinion, now that this isn't completely thread necromancy. Well I aired it previously in here as well.

The ending... It's just not any good imho.

First of it makes little to no logical sense. Additionally I think it still has plotholes even with the EC right?

Secondly the endings were too similar. The EC did improve distinguishing between them.

Thirdly the endings were emotionally alot less engaging than so much else of the game (which was superb in that regard). The EC did help a little too, by giving us a little extra information about the characters we cared about in the ending. The endings were not happy enough nor sad/bitter enough... Just some grey area inbetween... All of them were...

...

Personally I would have preferred the following graduation:

A: A difficulty wise very hard to get happy ending. Shepard came, did everything right ... and kicked ass all the way through...

B: If doing decently in uniting the galaxy via either renegade or paragon options: Shepard has to sacrifice something to win. That something being the redshirt (or shepard him/herself if being a noble shep) ... of the team along with ie. big losses to one or 2 of the me universe species

C: If doing ... okayish, but worse than b in uniting the galaxy... Shepard has to sacrifice something BIG to win... A love interest, shephard himself if you played him/her as a selfis char, the entire species (one that you cared about)... to win.

D: Lots of YOU LOOSE EVERYTHING... I'm saying that unless you manage to unite 90 percent of the galaxy and complete 90 percent of the game (maybe with some hard timing and/or priority choices)... Then you just loose... Shep gets reaper reamed along with everything else he/she cared about.

...

My suggestions were based on the following:

1: If you put in time, dedication and good performance you should be rewarded.
2: If you want to emotionally engage people positively or negatively you need to identify what they really care about. Meaning if I play as a paragon shep I don't care that he dies as long as my love interest survives. If the game wants to punch me in the nads emotionally? It needs to go after the Li.
3: The more diverse the emotions ... the starker the contrast between them. Happy feels happier, sad feels sadder and bitter more bitter.
4: Something for everyone.

...

Offcourse the story of the ending should make sense... I have no special preference on whether we should have been allowed to defeat the reapers conventionally or it would have taken something special.

Uniting the galaxy (one way or the other) to fight or big a giant anti reaper bomb is fine enough in itself... It sticks to that red thread of teamwork and choice through out the series.

To then have choice taken from you in the form of non-choice... is however a big no no.

PS: This is a shorter recap of my thoughts on it... It's not as coherent or as detailed as back then when we really discussed it over and over and over.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 11 février 2014 - 08:12 .

[Rodus Maxumus]

Both of these videos are worth watching.
Top 5 Reasons Why Mass Effect 3’s Ending is Insulting by FoxeoGames

10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3’s Ending by Angry Joe

Modifié par Rodus Maxumus, 12 février 2014 - 02:21 .

[voteDC]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
He can express his opinon about his negative feelings concerning the neverending ending (pun intended) threads in the ending threads as much as you can write endless pages full of your endless hatred for the ending.

I don't hate the endings, I find the ideas beind them to be quite interesting. I do however 'hate' their execution, something which the Extended Cut went a long way to fixing.

GimmeDaGun wrote...I'm bored to death by  this old and dull topic myself.

Then why do you go into the threads? If you genuinely have no interest in the subject, then keep away from them.

I genuinely can't understand the logic of people who continue to read forum threads they have no interest in.

GimmeDaGun wrote...I also find it wierd that some people just can't get over it. I'm not sayin they should like it, like I do, but come on... making such a fuss about it is a bit ridiculous. It's been two years. Bioware has moved on to other projects. They stated straight out that the reaper-trilogy is over in the ME-universe. Shepard and co. have run their course. Their story ended. The end, finita la musica. No more. It won't continue, it won't be changed... It will never happen. It's over.

Just because people want to continue discussing something, doesn't mean they haven't 'gotten over it.'

People still passionately discuss books written a hundred years or more ago, why is it a shock that people would want to do the same thing with a video game?

GimmeDaGun wrote...****ing about it for years won't change anything. Nothing. That's it. The only thing you achive by these threads is that you make yourself look like someone who can't cope with such a small thing as not liking the ending of your favourit game.  Man I'd hate to what it looks like if some of you break up with their significant others.

Do you genuinely never discuss old favourite movies or TV shows with your friends? I'm willing to bet that you do. So think on why you do that and you'll have an idea of why people want to discuss the ending of Mass Effect 3 on the Mass Effect 3 message board.

[GimmeDaGun]

Rodus Maxumus wrote...

Both of these videos are worth watching.
Top 5 Reasons Why Mass Effect 3’s Ending is Insulting by FoxeoGames

10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3’s Ending by Angry Joe

Speaking of Angry Joe...

Angry Joe's review on the ME3 EC ending... it's worth wathcing too if you want to see the whole picture
www.youtube.com/watch

...or here's another reveiw form a guy who hated the original ending
www.youtube.com/watch

People are different. They might have a different idea about the same thing. Also a very negative opinion can change into a positive one... so it seems that the EC worked for some people who raged about the vanila game's ending. ...and these guys do seem to be smart, by first impression. So... conclusion: to each of their own.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 12 février 2014 - 10:35 .

[GimmeDaGun]

voteDC wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...
He can express his opinon about his negative feelings concerning the neverending ending (pun intended) threads in the ending threads as much as you can write endless pages full of your endless hatred for the ending.

I don't hate the endings, I find the ideas beind them to be quite interesting. I do however 'hate' their execution, something which the Extended Cut went a long way to fixing.

GimmeDaGun wrote...I'm bored to death by  this old and dull topic myself.

Then why do you go into the threads? If you genuinely have no interest in the subject, then keep away from them.

I genuinely can't understand the logic of people who continue to read forum threads they have no interest in.

GimmeDaGun wrote...I also find it wierd that some people just can't get over it. I'm not sayin they should like it, like I do, but come on... making such a fuss about it is a bit ridiculous. It's been two years. Bioware has moved on to other projects. They stated straight out that the reaper-trilogy is over in the ME-universe. Shepard and co. have run their course. Their story ended. The end, finita la musica. No more. It won't continue, it won't be changed... It will never happen. It's over.

Just because people want to continue discussing something, doesn't mean they haven't 'gotten over it.'

People still passionately discuss books written a hundred years or more ago, why is it a shock that people would want to do the same thing with a video game?

GimmeDaGun wrote...****ing about it for years won't change anything. Nothing. That's it. The only thing you achive by these threads is that you make yourself look like someone who can't cope with such a small thing as not liking the ending of your favourit game.  Man I'd hate to what it looks like if some of you break up with their significant others.

Do you genuinely never discuss old favourite movies or TV shows with your friends? I'm willing to bet that you do. So think on why you do that and you'll have an idea of why people want to discuss the ending of Mass Effect 3 on the Mass Effect 3 message board.

Yeah, you have a point. What I basically did is what I was talking about in the first paragraph of my post you answered to. 

The bsn, as all forums is a constant back-and forth. Action and reaction. The only way to break this circle I guess is to move away from it. My opinion still stands, but you're right. I'm no different than those who constantly complain about the ending, since I very frequently react to those complains instead of ignoring them.

[Rodus Maxumus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Rodus Maxumus wrote...

Both of these videos are worth watching.
Top 5 Reasons Why Mass Effect 3’s Ending is Insulting by FoxeoGames

10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3’s Ending by Angry Joe

Speaking of Angry Joe...

Angry Joe's review on the ME3 EC ending... it's worth wathcing too if you want to see the whole picture
www.youtube.com/watch

...or here's another reveiw form a guy who hated the original ending
www.youtube.com/watch

People are different. They might have a different idea about the same thing. Also a very negative opinion can change into a positive one... so it seems that the EC worked for some people who raged about the vanila game's ending. ...and these guys do seem to be smart, by first impression. So... conclusion: to each of their own.

Yes I’ve seen those videos and both say the ending have improved and some of the issues raised have been addressed and both commended EA/BW for the improvements. But in no way did they say that the ending suddenly became good, it just became ok.

[GimmeDaGun]

Rodus Maxumus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Rodus Maxumus wrote...

Both of these videos are worth watching.
Top 5 Reasons Why Mass Effect 3’s Ending is Insulting by FoxeoGames

10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3’s Ending by Angry Joe

Speaking of Angry Joe...

Angry Joe's review on the ME3 EC ending... it's worth wathcing too if you want to see the whole picture
www.youtube.com/watch

...or here's another reveiw form a guy who hated the original ending
www.youtube.com/watch

People are different. They might have a different idea about the same thing. Also a very negative opinion can change into a positive one... so it seems that the EC worked for some people who raged about the vanila game's ending. ...and these guys do seem to be smart, by first impression. So... conclusion: to each of their own.

Yes I’ve seen those videos and both say the ending have improved and some of the issues raised have been addressed and both commended EA/BW for the improvements. But in no way did they say that the ending suddenly became good, it just became ok.

I don't know, to me it seemed that they were quite happy about it. 

[Ithurael]

I do like Jahns and Angry Joe, but I truly like MrBTounge. He paid attention to the lore and was still objective. And unlike smud (whom I do like) he adds a bit more humor.


I think smud is a bit more thorough...like WAAAY To thorough but he still is objective. I approached the ending objectivley and I still do - which is why I still don't really like the ending (though these days I am more 'meh it sucks but the hurt is gone')

Modifié par Ithurael, 12 février 2014 - 07:06 .

[Derpy]

Nobody gets it. BW doesn't give a sh*t about the ending already.

[GimmeDaGun]

Ithurael wrote...

I do like Jahns and Angry Joe, but I truly like MrBTounge. He paid attention to the lore and was still objective. And unlike smud (whom I do like) he adds a bit more humor.


I think smud is a bit more thorough...like WAAAY To thorough but he still is objective. I approached the ending objectivley and I still do - which is why I still don't really like the ending (though these days I am more 'meh it sucks but the hurt is gone')

How on earth can somebody be objective? ...? Curious...

[katamuro]

I have to agree with the guy in the video. The way it has been done makes no logical sense. Even if they theorised that someone suitable would end up in a needed moment at the needed place to make a choice then the basic premise of the weapon is just an unproven theory that the hologram kid exists. Then even if the technology used to build it was based on either Leviathan or Reaper tech the tiny variations in between whole cultures and species over the span of millions of years would render the designs for the crucible utterly useless.
I mean look at how many mistakes people living on the same planet make when translating something, building something when the two sides use different measurement systems or even a mix of both.

Add to that an utterly alien minds+utterly alien languages+the time between the cycles and it would mean that the Crucible is not just wrong storywise it is also utterly improbable.

Before you start going about how the species in ME universe could all use prothean technology to jumpstart their own I would add that it has been said throughout the games and especially in ME3 that protheans were studying and preparing the less advanced races for inclusion into their empire when the "sleeper" pods hidden on several planets were woken up. So they were all probably adapted to be more compatible with protheans,some even uplifted by them hence no surprise.

[Ithurael]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

I do like Jahns and Angry Joe, but I truly like MrBTounge. He paid attention to the lore and was still objective. And unlike smud (whom I do like) he adds a bit more humor.


I think smud is a bit more thorough...like WAAAY To thorough but he still is objective. I approached the ending objectivley and I still do - which is why I still don't really like the ending (though these days I am more 'meh it sucks but the hurt is gone')

How on earth can somebody be objective? ...? Curious...

The most important thing is to first remove all emotion and emotional attachment to the franchise before you analyzie it. From there you just look at every mechanic, every bit of dialog, and every bit of lore that you can and gauge it against everything else presented to you in the series and the codex. And the most important part! Never Make Assumptions or Speculate! Let the story tell you the story and then gauge it on its effectivness in telling said story. At least that is how I do it.

Objectivity for EVERYONE!!!!! :wizard:

Modifié par Ithurael, 12 février 2014 - 11:08 .

[78stonewobble]

Ithurael wrote...
The most important thing is to first remove all emotion and emotional attachment to the franchise before you analyzie it. From there you just look at every mechanic, every bit of dialog, and every bit of lore that you can and gauge it against everything else presented to you in the series and the codex. And the most important part! Never Make Assumptions or Speculate! Let the story tell you the story and then gauge it on its effectivness in telling said story. At least that is how I do it.

Objectivity for EVERYONE!!!!! :wizard:

Sounds a bit counter productive when one of the selling points is emotional engagement isn't it?

[Ithurael]

78stonewobble wrote...

Ithurael wrote...
The most important thing is to first remove all emotion and emotional attachment to the franchise before you analyzie it. From there you just look at every mechanic, every bit of dialog, and every bit of lore that you can and gauge it against everything else presented to you in the series and the codex. And the most important part! Never Make Assumptions or Speculate! Let the story tell you the story and then gauge it on its effectivness in telling said story. At least that is how I do it.

Objectivity for EVERYONE!!!!! :wizard:

Sounds a bit counter productive when one of the selling points is emotional engagement isn't it?

It isn't too bad...

Look at my sig if you want 'emotional' engagement lol:wizard::wizard:

[78stonewobble]

[quote]Ithurael wrote...
Sounds a bit counter productive when one of the selling points is emotional engagement isn't it? [/quote]

It isn't too bad...

Look at my sig if you want 'emotional' engagement lol:wizard::wizard:

[/quote]

*lol* I'm too old for that  ... but I agree that atleast hate as an emotion is a terrible waste of time and energy considering we have only so and so long to experience any emotions.