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[Rotward]

Fitness is a crutch! So are weapons above common, and weapons that have been upgraded past level I. Actually, so are consumables, and talents. True pros go in on a level one with a predator equipped and nothing else.

Point being, it's absolutely doable. More so on characters with mobility. That doesn't mean that it's better than going with survival. If you've ever watched someone else running around soloing half a round because everyone else is dead, that person probably had either a fitness or defensive gear on. On the other hand, teammates that cut through atlas' like tissue paper probably went for pure damage.

[LemurFromTheId]

Rotward wrote...

 If you've ever watched someone else running around soloing half a round because everyone else is dead, that person probably had either a fitness or defensive gear on. On the other hand, teammates that cut through atlas' like tissue paper probably went for pure damage.

From my experience, players that cut through Atlases like tissue paper are usually the ones still standing when everyone else is dead, irrespective of whether they use Fitness or Cyclonics.

[inert14]

Very often in gold, less so on platinum. Very few of my builds have full fitness, even on platinum. Only my GI uses Cyclonics.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

I used to have quite a few characters with no Fitness and ran Gold/Plat without issues (most often with 1 or 2 friends, though).
HA, AA, ACA, PA, Fury
HE, GE, FQE, SE, Talon, Demolisher
GI, Huntress, TGI, SI, Sexbot
PV, AV
All Volus

As long as I had Adrenaline Mods for some of the characters (Fury) and Power Amps & Geth Scanner for some others (Phoenix), then it was all good.

I took a 3 month break and die quite a bit these days. I've respec'd lots of characters to have at least 3 points in Fitness now.

Modifié par Jack Crapper, 14 novembre 2013 - 05:57 .

[Supreme Leech]

I never have zero points in fitness. It's just not worth it. Most of the time, I take just the first 2 ranks. On a few characters, I go with 4 ranks or full fitness. But having no fitness just isn't worth it. Unless you can afford to use a cyclonic 4 every time you play that character.

But having no fitness at all and not using a cyclonic 4? Why would you do this to yourself? Just take the first 2 ranks and you're set.

[Blennus]

I was going to say I have talon at no fitness and cyclonics, until I remembered that I spec for melee damage on the guy, which does give fitness bonuses for the first 2 levels. Hmm, I guess I run the demolisher without fitness and never use cyclonics on her... Oh and I forgot about volus.

Modifié par Blennus, 14 novembre 2013 - 07:31 .

[HusarX]

Aedolon wrote...

HusarX wrote...

Was it hard for you to get the hang of it? I mean sacrificing survivabilty for DPS.

That's the wrong way of looking at it. You don't sacrifice survivability for DPS, you sacrifice tankiness for DPS. DPS increases survivability, and instead of tankiness you depend on speed and positioning. You don't need to be able to take a lot of damage if you don't take a lot of damage. Oh, and gates, obviously.


I can't remember them all, but I use no-fitness/adrenaline combo on these kits at least: FQE, HE, AA, Huntress, Paladin, SI, FQI.

Good point.

Modifié par HusarX, 14 novembre 2013 - 09:19 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Any kit can accomplish this with Javelin/Geth Scanner.

But many powers in this game are so bad that you're better off putting 0 points into them so you'll have nowhere else to dump points except into Fitness.

[Deerber]

XFG-65 wrote...

I never have zero points in fitness. It's just not worth it. Most of the time, I take just the first 2 ranks. On a few characters, I go with 4 ranks or full fitness. But having no fitness just isn't worth it. Unless you can afford to use a cyclonic 4 every time you play that character.

But having no fitness at all and not using a cyclonic 4? Why would you do this to yourself? Just take the first 2 ranks and you're set.

Because, despite my N7, I'm a much better player than you are 

Gr1ng0 wrote...

 I respec'd my FQE to zero fitness (thanks) and she was great. I did find high dps enemies in close quarters to be troublesome. E. G.  Collectors glacier. Must improve situational awareness. 

Good to kmow! and yes, situational awareness is one of the most important things to learn in this game. It ma,es you a better player in all regards. Once you know the approximate position of all 8 enemies at any time during the wave, you have definitly become a solid player.


... And trust me, if you keep playing a no fitness FQE, that will happen pretty quickly 

Modifié par Deerber, 14 novembre 2013 - 09:32 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

I sacrifice some fitness on classes with regen in the ways of stim packs, repair matrix, or high base shields + a DR granting ability. With most classes I can find a power or skill tree that doesn't need to be maxed so I can allot more points into fitness.

For example, the Prollector is fine for a no fitness build because he has about 60% DR if seeker swarm is specced properly.. though I usually throw on a cyclonic anyway. I use the build as more of a substitute for fitness.

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 14 novembre 2013 - 09:50 .

[LuckyBullet95]

XFG-65 wrote...

I never have zero points in fitness. It's just not worth it. Most of the time, I take just the first 2 ranks. On a few characters, I go with 4 ranks or full fitness. But having no fitness just isn't worth it. Unless you can afford to use a cyclonic 4 every time you play that character.

But having no fitness at all and not using a cyclonic 4? Why would you do this to yourself? Just take the first 2 ranks and you're set.

Why in the hell are you running 6/6/6/5/2? 

Also because if you're good enough there's no reason to take it. 25% Health and Shields is overrated a lot of the time. I'll only ever go full fitness if: a) I'm running a Melee build, If my build is something stupid (Reaveless Asari Adept) or c) I just don't like the feel of some powers (Flamer outside of solos, turrets, Proxy Mine on the TSol or (most importantly of all) d) The Fitness tree has a speed boost, because why the hell not.

[Supreme Leech]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

I never have zero points in fitness. It's just not worth it. Most of the time, I take just the first 2 ranks. On a few characters, I go with 4 ranks or full fitness. But having no fitness just isn't worth it. Unless you can afford to use a cyclonic 4 every time you play that character.

But having no fitness at all and not using a cyclonic 4? Why would you do this to yourself? Just take the first 2 ranks and you're set.

Why in the hell are you running 6/6/6/5/2? 

Also because if you're good enough there's no reason to take it. 25% Health and Shields is overrated a lot of the time. I'll only ever go full fitness if: a) I'm running a Melee build, If my build is something stupid (Reaveless Asari Adept) or c) I just don't like the feel of some powers (Flamer outside of solos, turrets, Proxy Mine on the TSol or (most importantly of all) d) The Fitness tree has a speed boost, because why the hell not.

I don't play with level 20 characters so I don't have the maximum number of points. The third rank of fitness is irrelevant for non melee builds. Also, I can't afford to use a cyclonic 4 for every game, so I have to make do with level 1 cyclonics or else use another piece of equipment depending on the character. So for me, not speccing into fitness is suicide. Especially on characters like the geth, drells and humans, which I play most of the time.

There is not a single character in this game that must desperately max out all of his powers and passives and not leave any points for fitness. Not even one. Which is why I always like to take at least 2 ranks. It just doesn't make any sense at all to leave fitness completely blank. Just to be clear, we're not talking about maxing fitness here. Taking 2 ranks isn't gonna make a huge differnce obviously, but it's something, and I never go without it.

Just to mention a few powers: tech armour and blade armour are never worth investing more than a single point into. Complete waste of points. Ranks 2 and 3 are absolutely useless. Rank 5 of tech armour should only ever be taken if you're running a melee krogan build. I see people taking tech armour all the way on the asari valkyrie and turian sentinel for extra power damage and a little extra bit of damage reduction and it's just really sad, always leaves me shaking my head. Waste of points. Barrier can also be left at 1, there's very little benefit to taking it
past rank 1 (but then again, carnage is useless on the krogan vanguard
so you may as well max out barrier). I'm just trying to highlight that
such powers shouldn't be taken past rank 1. All of this is my opinion. Different people are comfortable with differnt things.

I don't run the demolisher with no fitness. With a 66644 build, all you're missing out on is a negligible power damage bonus and an extra grenade, while gaining a littel bit of extra health and shields. To me, it makes absolutely no sense to run her without any fitness, I just go 66642.

By not speccing into any fitness, you're just needlessly making the game harder for yourself. It's kind of like using the arc pistol or venom shotgun.

[tonton_guitou]

Gold/Plat don't care.

A power oriented build will always take 0 or 3 (depends) in fitness. Typically, I can take 5 on passive (sacrifice weapon bonus) and 3 in fitness (in reality 2 is just enough).

For most of my weapon oriented build (except Infiltrator), I prefer take 6 in fitness + cyclonic to tank a minimum and focus the fire on me.

[DarkseidXIII]

MHE, AJA, AA, CerbHA, Demolisher, FQE, MQE, AV, Any Inf,... I think that's all for me. GE gets 3 points in fitness because extra PM dmg is pointless in gold/plat

[Kinom001]

Nah. I always go 2 to 4 points in fitness. I rarely have cyclonics, and when I do I use them sparsely, so I find it works best for me on Gold and Plat.

[Spehktor]

When I first started out I wouldn't even consider not upgrading health. I have absolutely no problem with it now.

[heybigmoney]

Some classes yes, but most of them don't really need maxed out abilities so why not dump some points in fitness? There's no real reason for my fury to have fully maxed out DC, and this applies to tons of characters.