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[Anthadlas]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

THIS is an issue of believability? Really? It isn't the giant firebreathing flying reptiles, or the metaphysical beings from another dimension haunting the dreams of people able to fry others with their minds. No, no.... It is the fact that you can bash your way through a door.....

Hoenstly BSN... New low....

Not a door, a castle gatehouse.

In the lore it is believable that other creatures are massivley powerfull, like Dragons and Demons due to supernatural means. Even mages being that powerfull is explained and believeable.

Had a mage blown the gatehouse down with a fireball I wouldn't bat an eyelid at it.

But for an ordinary person who shows no superhuman powers or tendancies to smash a gate open by punching it is stupid. She is supposed to be a skilled soldier. Not the Incredible Hulk

[jaza]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

THIS is an issue of believability? Really? It isn't the giant firebreathing flying reptiles, or the metaphysical beings from another dimension haunting the dreams of people able to fry others with their minds. No, no.... It is the fact that you can bash your way through a door.....

Hoenstly BSN... New low....

It's a gate, not a ****ing door.

[Rawgrim]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

THIS is an issue of believability? Really? It isn't the giant firebreathing flying reptiles, or the metaphysical beings from another dimension haunting the dreams of people able to fry others with their minds. No, no.... It is the fact that you can bash your way through a door.....

Hoenstly BSN... New low....

Missed the part where all that stuff excists in Thedas, did you? Its part of the lore

[AlexanderCousland]

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

[THEFRIGGINDOOMGUY!]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

THIS is an issue of believability? Really? It isn't the giant firebreathing flying reptiles, or the metaphysical beings from another dimension haunting the dreams of people able to fry others with their minds. No, no.... It is the fact that you can bash your way through a door.....

Hoenstly BSN... New low....

Again, just because it's fantasy doesn't mean you can get away with anything and if what I see is too ridiculous, I can't immerse myself in the world. Cassandra breaking a ****ing GATE with a shield is extremely immersion-breaking.

[Gileadan]

It's not even about being over the top or really straining believability.

It makes you wonder why any castle even bothers with a gate if the enemy can just bring someone with a shield to knock it down. Might as well just draw a line on the floor and write "no entry for enemies please" next to it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why this is a problem when our pc who can take 20 sword hits like juggernaut isn't?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:31 .

[Anthadlas]

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

[Welsh Inferno]

FreshIstay wrote...

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

You honestly cant see the difference in those things?

[AlexanderCousland]

Gileadan wrote...

It's not even about being over the top or really straining believability.

It makes you wonder why any castle even bothers with a gate if the enemy can just bring someone with a shield to knock it down. Might as well just draw a line on the floor and write "no entry for enemies please" next to it.

I guess no one stopped and thought, "hey maybe that fortress wasn't all that well built in the first place, maybe there was a weak point in the gate" 

[AlexanderCousland]

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

Or maybe the "Almighty" Gate wasn't as strong as you think it is.
I propose Gates as a new enemie, since they are SO strong.

[Anthadlas]

FreshIstay wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

It's not even about being over the top or really straining believability.

It makes you wonder why any castle even bothers with a gate if the enemy can just bring someone with a shield to knock it down. Might as well just draw a line on the floor and write "no entry for enemies please" next to it.

I guess no one stopped and thought, "hey maybe that fortress wasn't all that well built in the first place, maybe there was a weak point in the gate" 

Then why bother garrisoning it? they might aswell stand in the middle of a field.
The fact that the Inquisition has now taken over that castle which is falling apart and can be punched apart is even more worrying.

[Anthadlas]

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

Or maybe the "Almighty" Gate wasn't as strong as you think it is.
I propose Gates as a new enemie, since they are SO strong.

Are you actually serious?

Ofc Gates are strong, they are designed to withstand sieges. People struggle to break down medieval gates with massive 6-12 man Rams weighing well over a tonne and designed to do so. Yet you think someone can smash one wide open with a shield?

Go outside, Find a Castle and punch it's ****ing gatehouse to see what happens.

I now propose we make Fortified Bunkers an enemy, because they are soooo strong..... idiot

Modifié par Wraith 02, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:41 .

[jaza]

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

Or maybe the "Almighty" Gate wasn't as strong as you think it is.
I propose Gates as a new enemie, since they are SO strong.

Even a really old and worn down gate would be pretty resistant to a single person bashing it with a shield.

Modifié par jaza, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:43 .

[HiroVoid]

Can't we also bash golems with shields and swords if we're going to the gameplay argument?

[Reaverwind]

Wraith 02 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

THIS is an issue of believability? Really? It isn't the giant firebreathing flying reptiles, or the metaphysical beings from another dimension haunting the dreams of people able to fry others with their minds. No, no.... It is the fact that you can bash your way through a door.....

Hoenstly BSN... New low....

Not a door, a castle gatehouse.

In the lore it is believable that other creatures are massivley powerfull, like Dragons and Demons due to supernatural means. Even mages being that powerfull is explained and believeable.

Had a mage blown the gatehouse down with a fireball I wouldn't bat an eyelid at it.

But for an ordinary person who shows no superhuman powers or tendancies to smash a gate open by punching it is stupid. She is supposed to be a skilled soldier. Not the Incredible Hulk

I can easily buy smashing through a gate, on the premise that the gate in question has hinges and/or a locking mechanism which gives way. However, Cassandra doesn't do that. Two hits with a shield, and the gate completely shatters into splinters.

[AlexanderCousland]

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

Or maybe the "Almighty" Gate wasn't as strong as you think it is.
I propose Gates as a new enemie, since they are SO strong.

Are you actually serious?

Ofc Gates are strong, they are designed to withstand sieges. People struggle to break down medieval gates with massive 6-12 man Rams weighing well over a tonne and designed to do so. Yet you think someone can smash one wide open with a shield?

Go outside, Find a Castle and punch it's ****ing gatehouse to see what happens.

I now propose we make Fortified Bunkers an enemy, because they are soooo strong..... idiot

Im surprised you didn't ask me to go outside and slay a high dragon. 

[Welsh Inferno]

HiroVoid wrote...

Can't we also bash golems with shields and swords if we're going to the gameplay argument?

I may be wrong but I dont remember shield bash knocking golems down though. It just makes them stumble, sometimes.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Can't we also bash golems with shields and swords if we're going to the gameplay argument?

I may be wrong but I dont remember shield bash knocking golems down though. It just makes them stumble, sometimes.

Your Warden must not have been strong enough. You can also hit a Golem with Cone of Cold and Shatter it with a warriors Overpower skill.

[Anthadlas]

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

Or maybe the "Almighty" Gate wasn't as strong as you think it is.
I propose Gates as a new enemie, since they are SO strong.

Are you actually serious?

Ofc Gates are strong, they are designed to withstand sieges. People struggle to break down medieval gates with massive 6-12 man Rams weighing well over a tonne and designed to do so. Yet you think someone can smash one wide open with a shield?

Go outside, Find a Castle and punch it's ****ing gatehouse to see what happens.

I now propose we make Fortified Bunkers an enemy, because they are soooo strong..... idiot

Im surprised you didn't ask me to go outside and slay a high dragon. 

It would be easier to go out and find a mythical dragon so you could kill it than it would be to punch your way through a portcullis before your hand ended up a bloody stump.

[thats1evildude]

You can knock golems over with Stonefist.

At any rate, Cassandra knocks down the gates with the power of Demo. This mystical energy source makes any video game character seem superhuman because you've only got 30 minutes to show off your product and there's not enough time to go sneaking through the back.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 13 novembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[Welsh Inferno]

FreshIstay wrote...

Your Warden must not have been strong enough. You can also hit a Golem with Cone of Cold and Shatter it with a warriors Overpower skill.

Considering my Warden was a Warrior he was plenty strong enough. Yes you can knock them over with spells like stonefist and shatter them etc. But I am yet to see a Golem fall over when hit with a shield with no other effetcs applied to it.

[jaza]

thats1evildude wrote...

You can knock golems over with Stonefist.

At any rate, Cassandra knocks down the gates with the power of Demo. This mystical energy source makes any video game character seem superhuman because you've only got 30 minutes to show off your product and there's not enough time to go sneaking through the back.

[AlexanderCousland]

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

If Cassandra can slay Dragon's and Demons why are people making a fuss over her being able to knock down a gate?

Because killing a living creature with a precise attack is concievable. Breaking a fortified structure built to repel
attacks from battering rams, catapults and trebuchets by slapping it with a piece of steel is stupid.

If she is capable of that she may as well just knock an entire section of the wall down by punching it with her fist.

Oh. Excuse me. I didn't know it was so much easier to kill a Pride Demon than It is to bend some metal, screws and bolts. Nevermind the fact that the Gate is stationary, while creatures like Dragons and Pride Demons are actively trying to kill you. Guess I'm a little late to the party.

Demons even when possessing people are mortal and made of flesh and bone.

That gatehouse is made purely of Iron and is 1-2 feet thick and Cassandra is hitting it with a piece of Steel that is 1 inch thick at most.
Unless she has magical powers or some type of magical shield then logic dictates that by punching a gate she will break her arm long before the gate ever gives way.

Or maybe the "Almighty" Gate wasn't as strong as you think it is.
I propose Gates as a new enemie, since they are SO strong.

Are you actually serious?

Ofc Gates are strong, they are designed to withstand sieges. People struggle to break down medieval gates with massive 6-12 man Rams weighing well over a tonne and designed to do so. Yet you think someone can smash one wide open with a shield?

Go outside, Find a Castle and punch it's ****ing gatehouse to see what happens.

I now propose we make Fortified Bunkers an enemy, because they are soooo strong..... idiot

Im surprised you didn't ask me to go outside and slay a high dragon. 

It would be easier to go out and find a mythical dragon so you could kill it than it would be to punch your way through a portcullis before your hand ended up a bloody stump.

Well I'm not a DA Warrior Class either, so here are some other abilities that Cassandra (potentially) has that I dont:

Mighty Blow- I cant vert launch off two feet with a greatsword behind my head 
Holy Smite - I can't drink lyrium so I cant work a spell.
Silence - I can't cast a ward on someone so they can't use special abilities, potentially stunning them.
Ground Pommel - I can't strike my sword into the ground and shatter the earth so forcefully my enemies fall away 

I can keep going.

[AlexanderCousland]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Your Warden must not have been strong enough. You can also hit a Golem with Cone of Cold and Shatter it with a warriors Overpower skill.

Considering my Warden was a Warrior he was plenty strong enough. Yes you can knock them over with spells like stonefist and shatter them etc. But I am yet to see a Golem fall over when hit with a shield with no other effetcs applied to it.

Well. That sounded like a challenge.

I looked at your player profile.

Your level 35 Owyn warrior class :
56 strength 

My Alexander level 35 ROUGE class:

104 strength.
Not even my strongest warden

Modifié par FreshIstay, 13 novembre 2013 - 06:12 .