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[GreyLycanTrope]

Mod03 is my favorite, no disrespect to the rest though.

[Jesse Reid]

Sanunes wrote...
I personally was hoping the BSN was going to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and at that time everything would be just locked down, just like when they moved to the BSN in 2009.

Who said that isn't what we're doing?

[Liamv2]

I am now suspicious.

[ElitePinecone]

Tarot Redhand wrote...

@Buggirl70
@ElitePinecone
@Sanunes

Kindly create a topic to continue that discussion elsewhere. Quite frankly I don't care about your petty arguments about black is white and my poll says so. It is totally off the the topic of this thread and utterly irrelevant.

TR

Not really. From one of Jessica's earlier posts:

Jessica Merizan wrote...

We are also working on a better system for polls and on our end we're already using surveymonkey to conduct polls (you might remember we did a DragonAge poll on gameplay a few weeks back). I also think that the way polls are used on BSN right now is not very scientific or representative. So we'll make polls more fun and less masked with a feeling of authority. 

They're removing polls at the moment for a very specific reason, and I totally support that. People were misinterpreting data and using it to draw mistaken conclusions, which doesn't help anybody.  

People are clearly getting into a flap about other features being removed - I don't particularly care either way - but as long as this thread is about the changes in general, including to BSN polls, I'll continue to talk about the aspects I think are relevant and important. 

[Justin Edmond]

Jesse Reid wrote...

Sanunes wrote...
I personally was hoping the BSN was going to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and at that time everything would be just locked down, just like when they moved to the BSN in 2009.

Who said that isn't what we're doing?

But even you, Jesse Reid, wouldn't be able to maintain all of BSN and develop a new site at the same time... How will this possibly work?

[Jesse Reid]

JUSTIN EDMOND wrote...
But even you, Jesse Reid, wouldn't be able to maintain all of BSN and develop a new site at the same time... How will this possibly work?

http://en.wikipedia....in_Magic_(song)

[Sanunes]

Jesse Reid wrote...

Sanunes wrote...
I personally was hoping the BSN was going to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and at that time everything would be just locked down, just like when they moved to the BSN in 2009.

Who said that isn't what we're doing?

My mistake, I misinterpreted and leapt to a conclusion.

Modifié par Sanunes, 15 novembre 2013 - 06:06 .

[Dominus]

We are also working on a better system for polls and on our end we're already using surveymonkey to conduct polls (you might remember we did a DragonAge poll on gameplay a few weeks back). I also think that the way polls are used on BSN right now is not very scientific or representative. So we'll make polls more fun and less masked with a feeling of authority.

Which would've been greatly appreciated to have written in the original post. As far as we knew based on the beginning of that topic, polls were simply gone for good. Part of my initial unease to the news was the severe lack of information outside of the 4 features being sent into read-only mode.

Who said that isn't what we're doing?

The Plot Thickens.

And for everyone who is "Goodbye BSN. The future will suck. Yaddayaddayadda" and all the pitiful whining (not eveyone is doing this, it seems to only be a few childish troublemakers), if that is how you feel GO AWAY. You are likely part of the reason that things are changing here. The future isn't bad. The future is different.

And at least to this point, that's what it does boil down to. This is the direction they're taking and it's likely to stay that way. There are temporary work-arounds for photo-tagging/blogs/etc until the next step is taken, which can at least soften the blow.

Can I PLEASE have my own damn avatar and not one I have to choose from a list of pre approved ones??

Please use the blog found here.

Modifié par DominusVita, 15 novembre 2013 - 09:12 .

[Gaddes]

What I want to know (and what I don't think has been specified yet) is will the new site provide a way for us to share our projects/mods? Or is this Bioware's way of quietly doing away with a lot of people's hard work?

[Ottemis]

Gaddes wrote...

What I want to know (and what I don't think has been specified yet) is will the new site provide a way for us to share our projects/mods? Or is this Bioware's way of quietly doing away with a lot of people's hard work?

Several people have asked what the "phasing out" of blogs and projects effectively means but we've had no answer, I've atleast not spotted one. I quote:

" I wouldn't phase out these aspects of the site if I didn't believe there are external spaces that do a better job of providing those services, so I encourage those of you who do to please back up your data and transfer over to another site/server. "

Seeing this is actually not entirely correct as pointed out by many others, we have no clarity and currently no viable alternative for all content currently hosted on the BSN. Aside from that, if phasing out ultimately means deletion, this is information we actually do NEED seeing we'll be forced to salvage years of important information and resources from both projects and blogs where currently inactive owners/users most likely won't do so themselves.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 novembre 2013 - 09:23 .

[JamieCOTC]

Ottemis wrote...

Gaddes wrote...

What I want to know (and what I don't think has been specified yet) is will the new site provide a way for us to share our projects/mods? Or is this Bioware's way of quietly doing away with a lot of people's hard work?

Several people have asked what the "phasing out" of blogs and projects effectively means but we've had no answer, I've atleast not spotted one. I quote:

" I wouldn't phase out these aspects of the site if I didn't believe there are external spaces that do a better job of providing those services, so I encourage those of you who do to please back up your data and transfer over to another site/server. "

Seeing this is actually not entirely correct as pointed out by many others, we have no clarity and currently no viable alternative for all content currently hosted on the BSN. Aside from that, if phasing out ultimately means deletion, this is information we actually do NEED seeing we'll be forced to salvage years of important information and resources from both projects and blogs where currently inactive owners/users most likely won't do so themselves.

While you can't swing a virtual dead cat without hitting some place to host a blog, there is no Mass Effect Nexus. There are many sites on the internet to store files, but they are a poor substitute for a central hub. Modding all but requires a community, not just storage space, so I firmly agree w/ Ottemis that this is a question that requires an answer. Please don't ignore this only to hope it will go away.

[SirLysander]

JUSTIN EDMOND wrote...

Jesse Reid wrote...

Sanunes wrote...
I personally was hoping the BSN was going to be completely rebuilt from the ground up and at that time everything would be just locked down, just like when they moved to the BSN in 2009.

Who said that isn't what we're doing?

But even you, Jesse Reid, wouldn't be able to maintain all of BSN and develop a new site at the same time... How will this possibly work?

And it should be possible to at least alleviate the concerns of the modders and mod-users that the projects/mod hosting will continue, even if in a changed form.

[SirLysander]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Gaddes wrote...

What I want to know (and what I don't think has been specified yet) is will the new site provide a way for us to share our projects/mods? Or is this Bioware's way of quietly doing away with a lot of people's hard work?

Several people have asked what the "phasing out" of blogs and projects effectively means but we've had no answer, I've atleast not spotted one. I quote:

" I wouldn't phase out these aspects of the site if I didn't believe there are external spaces that do a better job of providing those services, so I encourage those of you who do to please back up your data and transfer over to another site/server. "

Seeing this is actually not entirely correct as pointed out by many others, we have no clarity and currently no viable alternative for all content currently hosted on the BSN. Aside from that, if phasing out ultimately means deletion, this is information we actually do NEED seeing we'll be forced to salvage years of important information and resources from both projects and blogs where currently inactive owners/users most likely won't do so themselves.

While you can't swing a virtual dead cat without hitting some place to host a blog, there is no Mass Effect Nexus. There are many sites on the internet to store files, but they are a poor substitute for a central hub. Modding all but requires a community, not just storage space, so I firmly agree w/ Ottemis that this is a question that requires an answer. Please don't ignore this only to hope it will go away.

Exactly.  If anything BSN itself has been the "Mass Effect Nexus".

[Jesse Reid]

Once the project section goes read only is there any reason why a group couldn't be used to showcase the project and link to the files?

Also, has anyone asked Nexus Mods if they would be willing to add a category for Mass Effect? And if so what was their response?

[Tarot Redhand]

And is anyone going to respond to my question on page 22?

TR

[Ottemis]

Jesse Reid wrote...

Once the project section goes read only is there any reason why a group couldn't be used to showcase the project and link to the files?

Also, has anyone asked Nexus Mods if they would be willing to add a category for Mass Effect? And if so what was their response?

I'm one of several still active modders, so once projects go read-only I can no longer edit/add to my mod-selection which forces me to go offsite if I want to continue my work. To add, I'd honestly much rather be caught dead than move to groups as the interface is quite honestly horrible. Aside from that groups are also being overhauled as I understand it so this would mean a patchwork temporary solution.

As has been stated earlier in this thread, there is a general Nexus in the making but there is no known ETA.

Again though, the question is if content currently in projects and blogs will be ultimately deleted and whether we should move to back work up that isn't our own to preserve the collected knowledge of the modding community, and to which extend.

Edit to add: I have created several gigs of collected mass effect texture mods. It will be a monumental task for me to move them elsewhere if there was a modding site that would accept and host them for me, there isn't.
You need something like a category search, or in case of the BSN projects linked to directed Groups to be able to effectively browse available content. It's not possible to patchwork the loss of projects with groups. I have mods ranging over all categories be it armor, casual outfits, environmentals, squadmates, facial textures and I'm just one person.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 novembre 2013 - 10:58 .

[JamieCOTC]

And may I point out that modders found a work-a-round to the Shepard import bug before BW implemented their fix. And then modders improved upon the fix. With the recent acknowledgement that BW underestimated the player's attachment to their characters, Shepard included, I would say modding went beyond just making ME3 look better, but it was vital to the experience. Case in point, my own Shepard. She would never had looked even close to the same if it wasn't for modders. And the site I used to learn modding the saved files is now defunct, gone. Fortunately, that information still resides on BSN. Unfortunately, a lot of that information resides in project files. I have my Shepard back and I love her, but what about new players or the next game? I'm not a modder, but this action does anger me. Modding may be virtual, but like cosplay, it requires a community and support.

[Bugsie]

Some guy with an alt account wrote…

@Buggirl70

@ElitePinecone

@Sanunes

Kindly create a topic to continue that discussion elsewhere. Quite frankly I don't care about your petty arguments about black is white and my poll says so. It is totally off the the topic of this thread and utterly irrelevant.

TR

Irrelevant, petty?  That’s
just like your opinion, man.

BG

ElitePinecone wrote...

*snip snip*

Sorry the 1.5 million refers to the number sold during March 2012, not since (would they really have sold 5 million by the time the poll was taken in early June?)

Corrections are used *all the time* by statisticians.  I'm only a humble agricultural scientist and I use them all the time to correct data in populations that may bias a sample.  Again, perfectly valid.  You may disagree on the use but it happens.

And how do you know that all 70000 were the most hardcore?  Did you sample them to check (sorry jk couldn't help it...)  On my personal friends list here - I would say a substantial proportion are fairly casual (but that is anecdotal so can't be relied upon)

And 50:50 because that was what the poll was asking!!  You don't need to know the prevalence - you make assumptions that may or may not be correct when you create the hypothesis the poll would be based on.  Having seen it now though - it's not entirely appropriate as there was a third option offered.

Look, I am just saying 70,000 is not an unsubstantial number - even if its just BSN members you're counting, and you can't dismiss it as totally biased - why the controversy?  Why the thread after thread - in forum after forum?  Articles in Forbes etc etc Why the outcry?  Why the EC? 

I can agree though that using the poll as scientific - is silly, as much credibility as a poll put out by News Ltd, but people were angry and using whatever was at their disposal to make their point heard by Bioware.  And dangerous?  I don't think I would use such a term for people who were, as they claim, very pissed off at a franchise that they had heavily invested in and gave them an unsatisfactory ending.

Anyway, I think I've said my peace on the matter, perhaps a side bar to the issues at hand.  Personally, it's really only the group system that I feel strongly about.

Sanunes wrote…
Here is the poll in mention - http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

*Snip* 

Thanks for that.  Yes neutral language would have been better. Again, the polls here are really aimed at non-serious discourse. Yeah you can’t limit who votes, which is why self-selection bias exists. 

But the multiple accounts to partake in an online poll – that’s a stretch to think a significant number of alt accounts out of 70000 were used to vote a number of times.  I think most people with alt accounts have only really one at most, and like me, hardly ever use it.

I too got tired of the insults and mudslinging, but it seems to happen a lot here, unfortunately!  I don’t participate in polls generally anyway.

GAH - sorry about the formatting...

Modifié par Buggirl70, 15 novembre 2013 - 10:48 .

[Jesse Reid]

We don't have a date for when the soon to be "read only" content would be deleted or even if it would ever be deleted. Giving a concrete date for when what we'll call "legacy" content, for lack of a better word, is never an easy thing to do. For example we still have a Mass Effect 1 marketing site (http://masseffect.bioware.com/me1/) but older titles like Sonic or KOTOR no longer exist.

I would hope that we can provide ample warning time for you to back up content that was going to be deleted but be assured the blog, album, poll, and project content is not going to be deleted on Tuesday.

[Ottemis]

I know that but you know better than I how many blogs and projects there are, so just imagine how much we have to wade through to localize all the blog and project info that needs to be salvaged for the deletion that will inevitably come. Realistically we HAVE to start that now rather than when we have a date for ultimate deletion.

If you can't give us a guarantee it won't be deleted, if it is likely it will be then that forces the modding community to jump ship. And we have nowhere to go as it stands.

Do you know how many of the blogs and projects are linked to from outside the BSN as modding resources?
How many broken links this will create for the modding communities of several games?
I don't mean to sound apocalyptic, but this is a potential catastrophy.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 novembre 2013 - 11:06 .

[Tarot Redhand]

@Jesse Reid - So as I suspected you are going to get rid of the legacy content. Can you give us an idea how long we in the nwn and nwn2 communities have left?

@Buggirl70 - Would you kindly do your research. I do not have multiple accounts. Unlike you I have not locked people from looking at my account, so all you had to do was to click on my user name to find that I am not the person you think I am (whoever you think that is). Just pop down to the nwn/custom content threads where I normally reside. I am just one person who finds it tedious when people continue to argue over a single poll from entrenched positions, when all of the polls are to be removed.

TR

[henesua]

This exemplifies why modders of a game should not participate in any forums put forth by a corporate game developer such as this one. I've learned my lesson. I hope others have as well.

[Jesse Reid]

Tarot I think you read into my post a little much. I said that BioWare has had to remove legacy content in the past and that there was no guarantee the BSN content will live on forever.

What I'm saying is that no one can say any one piece of content will live on forever. But what we can try to do is provide everyone enough time to backup or download a copy.

Ottemis, I am aware of the amount of user-generated content and the importance of keeping it around. It won't be my decision if/when the content gets deleted but you should know there are people here who would push for it to stay around as long as possible.

[Ottemis]

I know, I just wish that was a majority that won't and can't be ignored.
In general, I think it's a mistake to underestimate the importance of a steady home for modding communities and the impact modding can have on the longevity of games long after their release. I am sure some of "you" (moderators, employees of Bioware) agree with me, but right now "we" (the modding community) are definitely not feeling it.

At any rate, thank you for sharing what you could, if you could try and keep us posted on developments on this front so we are better prepared that would really be appreciated.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 novembre 2013 - 11:45 .