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[Jesse Reid]

Hey everyone, the read only changes are now live for Blogs, Albums, and Polls. If you notice anything out of the ordinary in Projects and Groups please let us know as those should still work as they normally would.

[Tarot Redhand]

Jessie first thank you for not messing with the photos in groups. I just tested it with a picture I meant to upload anyway for the group that I lead and it still works. However, quoting you -

We also use robust telemetry/analytics data that gives us a lot of feedback. That's how I know that less than 2% of our total registered users (not time spent which some people have interpreted and argued that it takes little time but actual users) are interacting with the features that we will be making Read Only.

This use of of your analytics gives a distorted view on the way that albums were actually used on here.  What would happen is that someone wanting to illustrate what they were talking about in a thread would upload a picture to their album and then using the share link that is visible when you view the picture full-sized, they would copy the UBB code for embedding into their post. Heck I even made a tutorial for those on the nwn section who didn't know how to use this feature. What this means in practice is that while traffic in the Albums section would appear to be low, viewership of the actual images would be as high as the popularity of the thread the image was embedded in. Making telemetrics a poor measure of the actual usage of Albums.

TR

Modifié par Tarot Redhand, 20 novembre 2013 - 12:19 .

[AshedMan]

Sounds like they're switching to the BioWare Antisocial Network.

[Ninja Stan]

Some off-topic posts removed from the last few pages.

[Jessica Merizan]

Tarot Redhand wrote...

Jessie first thank you for not messing with the photos in groups. I just tested it with a picture I meant to upload anyway for the group that I lead and it still works. However, quoting you -

We also use robust telemetry/analytics data that gives us a lot
of feedback. That's how I know that less than 2% of our total registered users (not time spent which some people have interpreted and argued that it takes little time but actual users) are interacting with the features that we will be making Read Only.

This use of of your analytics gives a distorted view on the way that albums were actually used on here.  What would happen is that someone wanting to illustrate what they were talking about in a thread would upload a picture to their album and then using the share link that is visible when you view the picture full-sized, they would copy the UBB code for embedding into their post. Heck I even made a tutorial for those on the nwn section who didn't know how to use this feature. What this means in practice is that while traffic in the Albums section would appear to be low, viewership of the actual images would be as high as the popularity of the thread the image was embedded in. Making telemetrics a poor measure of the actual usage of Albums.

TR

To reiterate. It's not about traffic, it's percentage of actual users who are making use the feature overall out of all registered users. Traffic is not really a consideration. Moreso however, is the amount of spam and off-topic (aka non BioWare gaming content) related usage of the features we determined to make Read Only.

[JPR1964]

dreamgazer wrote...

Always a wise move to remove things that the community enjoys in order to improve their experience.

It's a long time that I didn't post on the BSN : now, I know why...

I approve the quote...

JPR "phasing" out!

[TEKEO ANDO]

I'd give my life, not for honor, but for you! (Snake Eater). I'm going to miss the BioWare community :\\ much love, see ya

[AutumnWitch]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

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To reiterate. It's not about traffic, it's percentage of actual users who are making use the feature overall out of all registered users. Traffic is not really a consideration. Moreso however, is the amount of spam and off-topic (aka non BioWare gaming content) related usage of the features we determined to make Read Only.

So what you are saying is that because SOME users were using these features for non-BioWare content you are taking it away from EVERYONE. That doesn't seem fair to me. That's like closing all the banks because some people commit bank fraud. You are punishing the innocent to get to the bad guys,

Why not just close the accounts of the spammers and warn the people who were posting non-BSN content?

[Dova]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

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To reiterate. It's not about traffic, it's percentage of actual users who are making use the feature overall out of all registered users. Traffic is not really a consideration. Moreso however, is the amount of spam and off-topic (aka non BioWare gaming content) related usage of the features we determined to make Read Only.

So what you are saying is that because SOME users were using these features for non-BioWare content you are taking it away from EVERYONE. That doesn't seem fair to me. That's like closing all the banks because some people commit bank fraud. You are punishing the innocent to get to the bad guys,

Why not just close the accounts of the spammers and warn the people who were posting non-BSN content?

Lol It's BSN what do you expect? Same thing with the PM system.  Sending messages to others who weren't friends and some people who trolling with that and then "lol wont play nice we'll take it away from you forcing you to be come fiends."

[Tarot Redhand]

Jessica Merizan I see you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I'll simplify. The figure of 2% for people using the albums is inaccurate because it only includes the people who place said images in the albums and not all the people who see the images when they are shared in a thread. In other words I see it as the 2% represents direct users and the viewers of said images as indirect users. I would estimate that the percentage would rise somewhere by between 5 and ten fold if these were included. Anyway the point is moot. The door is shut (and no I am not going into a monty python sketch here). 

One other thing that you could clarify for me. Would you care to expand by what you meant by "off-topic (aka non BioWare gaming content)". Does this include custom content built to use Bioware engines or does it only include stuff actually made by bioware.

TR

Modifié par Tarot Redhand, 21 novembre 2013 - 12:04 .

[Tup3x]

I'm totally fine with it if they plan to purge this place from filth. If it means that we need to let albums go, that's fine. To be honest, the quality of conversation was much better on old pre-BSN forums. It also looks like this place has been invaded by certain minority which, well, mostly makes this place pretty weird. All those weird romance threads...

[TheRealJayDee]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

The Read Only transition is happening today.

Urm, yeah, sorry, just came to my mind. No offence!  

Anyways, thumbs up for sparing the projects for now, and for providing a little insight into the reasoning behind these changes! I still think it might have been cooler to make the announcements a little earlier, so that more people get the chance to react and comment, but talking about this stuff at all is a start. 

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 21 novembre 2013 - 01:47 .

[Ravensword]

Tup3xi wrote...

I'm totally fine with it if they plan to purge this place from filth. If it means that we need to let albums go, that's fine. To be honest, the quality of conversation was much better on old pre-BSN forums. It also looks like this place has been invaded by certain minority which, well, mostly makes this place pretty weird. All those weird romance threads...

Please, tell us who this certain minority is.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

I have a question...WHERE DID YOU SEE ANYONE ASKING FOR THIS?

Really. REALLY?!

Have you people lost your minds? Sure the bots are a problem with those, but hey, make a "put email hare for anti-bot activation code" A forum Standard will not be so hard.

So are we getting a real custom avy? Some new features? A forum layout that make sense? Off topic getting chopped?

Now I'm trying to be reasonable here, but Where is the Carrot for the stick you are smacking a great many of us in the face with?

I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it, but I will ask it. So what are we getting in return? Or is this still a "privilege" to even post here? Because from what I read in the what we would like to see on the BSN forum thread, this isn't anything we asked for. So I will ask again what are the POSITIVES, of this change?

^

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

If space is a problem why not a system to delete many of the older groups and projects no longer active? It is very difficult to search for groups so as a result there are many duplicates. The project section as a whole isn't too commonly used and that could probably be wrapped into an improved group capability.

Spammers have got to be a major drain as well, but I would imagine that there are some methods that could reduce that, although nuking the blog section from orbit would probably be necessary. They pretty much own that area.

^

Or maybe they will press the "Delete" button of BSN in near future...

[Dova]

Ravensword wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

I'm totally fine with it if they plan to purge this place from filth. If it means that we need to let albums go, that's fine. To be honest, the quality of conversation was much better on old pre-BSN forums. It also looks like this place has been invaded by certain minority which, well, mostly makes this place pretty weird. All those weird romance threads...

Please, tell us who this certain minority is.

^

[Leo]

Goodbye albums. I'm gonna miss being able to post any pictures of my created characters on this site, whether they come from a Bioware game or not.

[Tarot Redhand]

@Morocco Mole Would you care to define what you mean by inactive? Do you by chance mean NwN and NwN2. For me it's not the inactive threads, it's things like the My Little Pony thread that is hogging all the bandwidth. 1692 pages? Really? On an RPG site?

TR

[Ottemis]

Friendly reminder that I'm still collecting modding and resource blogs in this thread.
If you have any bookmarked, come share them please.

[Bugsie]

So our comments section on our profiles is gone now too?

[Tarot Redhand]

@Buggirl70 Just looked at my profile and the comments seection is still there. Also I can still add comments in that section.

TR

[Bugsie]

Ahhh it was just a loading issue at my end. No drama.