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#151
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What were the mythical Bioboards like?

They were our home.  For 9 years.

They had some unfortunate technical limitations (threads could only run 10 pages before they crashed the site, for example), but there was so much great content there I'm still angry we lost it.

Evil Chris always said we'd get it back.  And then he just stopped talking about it.

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bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 

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General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 

#154
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Jessica Merizan wrote...

The changes we're making now are largely to help us focus in on what I think makes the BSN amazing at its core: intelligent, curious and passionate game content discussion. These are where the vast majority of our fans are spending their time and this is where we will be dedicating more resources and moderation."

So if I'm following correctly...your phasing out "Polls, Albums, Projects and Blogs" because members don't spend a majority of there time in those areas.

It only takes a few moments to upload/download a mod, create a project page or ask/respond to a question....that members are not spending most of there time in the Project area isn't a surprise.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 


I don't know... I just came for the fireworks. 

#156
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Jessica Merizan wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 

But read only will have to force us into messaging if we have technical difficulties understanding the blog.
And as by we I mean new users who wish to grab attention with a custom avi. 

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Hmm, from what I have read so far it seems to be out with the old system and in with the new....but that being said we really can't support this until we have some notion of what the improvements will be and if the majority will agree to them. It is all very well and good to wish to provide better resources but I feel myself that it is even better to show us the actual intentions, instead of just stating them.

We have to remember that as a whole the community still has both fond and un-fond memories of Bioware, some being more recent than others, so that will sway public opinion, If not handled correctly there will be a case of "Oh this is just like the ending all over again" where some feel they were promised something and will receive another, less impressive, or helpful, or fun version which will end up being what is the norm and will leave some people in a state where they will leave.

Personally my recommendations would be as follows;

1) Get rid of the awful need to have DA:O to change your avatar. It's pointless.
If you are worried about having younger audiences seeing bad images on the internet you can either set an age gate for the avatar so only those with a set age can see it if it has a setting to be only displayed to a certain age and above, or you can assume that everyone who buys your game is of age, which is what you're games are currently set to anyway.

2) Please use polls to do more market research.
If polls are going to be changed maybe have a poll system used buy only devs or community managers to get customer feedback from the direct fans as honestly I myself am sick of seeing twitter updates cropping up asking for feedback. You can barely get anything into a Tweet, that is not good for solid feedback, do not use it as your primary source for gaining feedback as no-one can do a decent analysis with that method.
Using polls, comments without a restricted character count, or a forum thread, would be a much better idea for gaining customer feedback. So if polls will be changed please make a separate community and messages/feedback section to be used by devs/com-managers as one will not drown out the other.

3) Alerts.
If there is a community event or need for customer feedback, please don't rely on the grapevine, a simple message much like the one that drew us all here would be much more appreciative, especially as due to time zones and a persona's work/schooling schedule they may miss a time where feedback is looked at at any given time.

4) Appoint thread officers.
As we have seen with the Groups self policing is very effective, it frees up time for the mods already running the community as a whole and the people know those who are policing them. If there is a group problem you can ask these officers and you can get to the source of it pretty easily and vice versa if there is a problem.

5) More Mods.
This is a serious issue as I know that the mods are extremely busy most of the time dealing with everyone's stuff, so more will be needed as the community grows.
Also have the mods be available and at a professional standard. If they are a mod they should not be starting flame wars or antagonising those they wish to represent, even if it is in jest they should require some level of professionalism.

I think they're five decent points, probably have been said before but the more people saying it means more support for the idea.

Also sorry for the text wall, it's been years since I have actually been on the forum as a whole, dabbling here and there, sticking to my Group for the most part.

#158
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Jessica Merizan wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 

"As part of this process, you may notice some changes over the next few weeks as we remove, change or add features to the site – starting with some existing BSN features (Polls, Albums, Projects and Blogs) moving to Read-Only as of November 19th 2013, and ultimately phased out of the site."

You're fogetting the second part.  :crying:

Edited twice.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 13 novembre 2013 - 09:02 .


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Jessica Merizan wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 


I believe he was probably following on the implication that after they become read-only, they will eventually be deleted (and, therefore, could no longer be referenced). That's implied in the blurb that mentions they'll be phased out eventually and urges us to save the content now while we still can.

"moving to Read-Only as of November 19th 2013, and ultimately phased out of the siteThis is all being done with the next stage of BSN in mind. We apologize for any inconvenience and will continue to keep you updated. We encourage you to take this time to back up or save any important data or conversations you'd like to preserve."

As far as my opinion, I mostly use the forums and groups. As long as groups aren't getting axed at some point, I'm fine. I know others are unhappy, though, and I feel bad for them.

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Bloody h*ll, Bioware.

Why you're doing this, I genuinely can't imagine. Since when has blanket REMOVAL been the solution to complaints? ME2...

Sheesh. It's hard being a fan of you guys sometimes, I have to say.

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You guys might as well change the sites name while you're at it, and inform the modders who don't want to pit their mods on nexus that they have no choice now. *claps* Good to know Bioware still loves removing features instead of adding features.

First the pm change, then comments on the feed where removed and only added back after a outcry now this. This site become more and more a generic forum then a social site it was when launched and it was fine back then. By doing this, you are in fact making the site even worse.
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Dovaaa wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 

But read only will have to force us into messaging if we have technical difficulties understanding the blog.
And as by we I mean new users who wish to grab attention with a custom avi. 


Don't forget you can't just message people anymore. You have to hope bobobo78 accepts your friend request first, and THEN you could send him a message.

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Sundance31us wrote...

"As part of this process, you may notice some changes over the next few weeks as we remove, change or add features to the site – starting with some existing BSN features (Polls, Albums, Projects and Blogs) moving to Read-Only as of November 19th 2013, and ultimately phased out of the site."

You're fogetting the second part.  :crying:

Edited twice.


Which is the biggest problem here, they're going to be locking us out of it and then remove it completely with no indication of any beneficial changes. For all we know, these so-called positives won't happen for two-three years.

#164
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Bloody h*ll, Bioware.

Why you're doing this, I genuinely can't imagine. Since when has blanket REMOVAL been the solution to complaints? ME2...

Sheesh. It's hard being a fan of you guys sometimes, I have to say.


Good... good... use your hate. It gives you power!

LOL In all seriousness, I'm reading all of this as an eventual "no more Off Topic, do it all in Groups" for the long term. Which has me less than jubilant... although maybe I'm wearing my tinfoil hat a little too much.

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DragonRacer wrote...

Dovaaa wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Oh noes Jessica, you can't do this! If you change my blog on how to upload custom avatars to read only, I'll fade into obscurity! Where will my sense of self worth come from, that blog was all I had! QQ


Don't worry I'll continue to spread the word, of the legend that was bobobo. 


Sorry I'm super confused. If it's read only, can't people still read and reference that blog? 

But read only will have to force us into messaging if we have technical difficulties understanding the blog.
And as by we I mean new users who wish to grab attention with a custom avi. 


Don't forget you can't just message people anymore. You have to hope bobobo78 accepts your friend request first, and THEN you could send him a message.

I forgot about that update. /).(\\ Wasn't here for it :bandit:
Well were all screwed unless everyone on BSN becomes friends! Amazing Bioware :wizard:

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Did Mac Walters write this en...sorry I couldn't resist the joke.

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Mr.House wrote...

 then comments on the feed where removed and only added back after a outcry.


Actually, I heard from the devs that that was a Forum Bug...

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I think it would be appreciated if you would stop speaking in HR language (community goals, improved experience, etc.) and tell us in plain English what the reasoning behind this is. Because certainly users haven't been suggesting removing such things, and if you're looking to reduce the whole "toxic forum" reputation then removing features that allows users to socialize doesn't seem like it will help. Then again sending people packing would probably reduce the number of complaints on the forums themselves, so I suppose there is some twisted logic behind that.

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The big issue with projects is some people like tmp don't want to put their mods on Nexus for a good reason. By getting rid of that you are stopping people from accessing his great stuff, or does Bioware not care about people being happy anymore on their own site?

*sigh* I miss Chris, ever since he left Bioware this site has become worse. It's not even a social site, it's now Bioware site 2.0 instead of BSN.

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I may think 95% of this community is utter **** but that doesn't mean the community features need to be removed.

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Inquisitor Recon wrote...

I think it would be appreciated if you would stop speaking in HR language (community goals, improved experience, etc.) and tell us in plain English what the reasoning behind this is. Because certainly users haven't been suggesting removing such things, and if you're looking to reduce the whole "toxic forum" reputation then removing features that allows users to socialize doesn't seem like it will help. Then again sending people packing would probably reduce the number of complaints on the forums themselves, so I suppose there is some twisted logic behind that.


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Fast Jimmy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Bloody h*ll, Bioware.

Why you're doing this, I genuinely can't imagine. Since when has blanket REMOVAL been the solution to complaints? ME2...

Sheesh. It's hard being a fan of you guys sometimes, I have to say.


Good... good... use your hate. It gives you power!

LOL In all seriousness, I'm reading all of this as an eventual "no more Off Topic, do it all in Groups" for the long term. Which has me less than jubilant... although maybe I'm wearing my tinfoil hat a little too much.


wait, are they planning to remove the off-topic forums too?

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It seems as though they are trying to reduce the amount of active forum members...

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Kallianira wrote...

Actually that is even more scary that only one person can turn the whole side upside down and remove the "social" from Bioware Social Network! 

I think all the reactions on this thread should make clear that your plans won't "improve customer experience" but reduce it massively.


Like I said, this is based on a team working toward the goals of the community and the studio. While I am the person you should be mad at, it would be hubris for me to state that I have the power to solely turn the site upside down on my whim :)

I don't think its fair to make a blanket statement that the reaction of this thread are representative of the entirety of the fanbase or that it's clear this is the wrong direction. While I completely sympathize these are important features for you, it is a very very small percentage of users who are still actively using them and it largely unrelated to BioWare games which I think removes the focus from future plans for the site. Change is almost never comfortable but this was not a decision that was made lightly.


Then be more honest with your announcements. Don't pull a Google+ and say "Tons of user feedback has encouraged us to remove certain features to improve the site!", say "Listen up chucklenuts, nobody uses polls, albums, or blogs too much, so we're taking that **** out. Deal with it."

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*sigh* I miss Chris, ever since he left Bioware this site has become worse. It's not even a social site, it's now Bioware site 2.0 instead of BSN.

It'll soon be over ran with EA and they'll partner with Google. 
I see another 3-4 month vacation in my future.