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[TheButterflyEffect]

What is this "beyond Ferelden and the Fade" place that is behind the mirror, according to her? My only guess would be the Black City, but... erm... how can that be a place where a small child or infant could safely be alone??

[Welsh Inferno]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Then why does she insist on raising it alone and away from humanity, just like her Mom? Badly enough to never let the kid meet its Dad, even if she is totally in love with him? Intentions sound fishy to me.

How the hell should I know? Your asking questions that only the developers have an answer for. Obviously I just judge a morally complex character differently to you.

On more of a metagaming stance, chances are she did just raise the child, as a child. Simply because 

A) The devs cant make the child a big bad/companion because he may not even exist.
Making a sidequest where you fight and kill the child or Morrigan would be terrible writing.
C) The child may not have the soul of an Old God.
D) Making it so the child is just a normal child will allow the devs to keep him out of the limelight and eventually be forgotton. Causing little import problems.

Making the child a normal child accounts for all permutations. Including avoiding fan rage.

Just to clarify again, this isn't what I would want to happen. It is what I think will.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 15 novembre 2013 - 11:53 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

khariuade wrote...

D: Rack of power

You can't just add your own reasons to a static multiple choice checklist.

They can't cover everything.

[Icy Magebane]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

It would be interesting to see if she still disapproves at Redcliffe if you go there late in the game with high approval. I always go there early so haven't been able to see.

Hm... unfortunately this didn't work out.  On my Dalish Warden, I went ahead and advanced her approval, got the ring from her, and gave her the Golden Mirror.  At this point, she was maxed out (only got +3 from the mirror, but +8 from the previous gift).  I went to Redcliffe and offered to help, but I still got -5 approval...

So I'm going to have to say that this test is inconclusive.  There is still the matter of the Black Grimoire and Flemeth, which I was unable to do beforehand... so...  I'm just going to have to say that her personal quest  might be related in some way, or that she simply behaves differently based on the event in question.

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

What is this "beyond Ferelden and the Fade" place that is behind the mirror, according to her? My only guess would be the Black City, but... erm... how can that be a place where a small child or infant could safely be alone??

Indeed.  Not to mention the psychological effect that growing up without friends could have on a child.  Equal parts irresponsible and selfish IMHO.  I mean, how can you reasonably take a baby to a dimension you've never even seen before?

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 16 novembre 2013 - 12:22 .

[bluebullets]

Honestly, i think the god baby should have been written in, and not optional... It seems like too big of a deal to just "be there" or  'not to be there" based on our decision. They can't make it a big deal of the baby for resource/writing/voicing/technological reasons because some people might not have it... Its kind of a "caught between 2 stones thing"

I never meant it like "I romanced her so I want to marry her", I just meant it as in she is included in the story, and i had her GOD BABY, as well as everything else I did, so since she is playing a big role in DAI, I just can't be ignored.. I mean.. I went with her into the mirror.

I don't know if I'm articulating this well enough.. I hope that my point is coming across

Modifié par bluebullets, 16 novembre 2013 - 12:22 .

[Icy Magebane]

bluebullets wrote...

Honestly, i think the god baby should have been written in, and not optional...

This invalidates the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, making it impossible to have happened (meaning, no Warden could have died fighting the Archdemon).

[LOLandStuff]

I don't see Morrigan spilling her love story to random people, or that it might be common knowledge that she's still with the Warden. It's not like after so many years you'll just show up and ask her about the Warden and she'll be nice enough to answer you.

Inq: So, how's the Warden?
Mor: Oh, you know, home looking after the kid.
Inq: Oooh, you have a child together, huh?
Mor: With the soul of an old god too. My mom's idea.

[bluebullets]

Icy Magebane wrote..
This invalidates the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, making it impossible to have happened (meaning, no Warden could have died fighting the Archdemon).

yes, correct.

I think that it should have been written in, or not an option at all. (God baby or no god baby at all) because I feel like it is too big to trivialize as a canon of some little sort.

[bluebullets]

LOLandStuff wrote...

I don't see Morrigan spilling her love story to random people, or that it might be common knowledge that she's still with the Warden. It's not like after so many years you'll just show up and ask her about the Warden and she'll be nice enough to answer you.

Inq: So, how's the Warden?
Mor: Oh, you know, home looking after the kid.
Inq: Oooh, you have a child together, huh?
Mor: With the soul of an old god too. My mom's idea.

It should be addressed and explained. Not necessarily through small talk dialogue. for the reasons i mentioned a bit above,

[Icy Magebane]

bluebullets wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote..
This invalidates the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, making it impossible to have happened (meaning, no Warden could have died fighting the Archdemon).

yes, correct.

I think that it should have been written in, or not an option at all. (God baby or no god baby at all) because I feel like it is too big to trivialize as a canon of some little sort.

This, I can agree with.  I've heard conflicting arguments regarding DA:O.  Some have claimed that it was never meant to be a series, while others have claimed the opposite.  If it was always meant to be a series, I have to asssume that Bioware had a plan from the start, and that they are just going to follow it... but if not, then that means they're doing the best they can with an unforseen situation.  Either way, I leave it in their hands.  What else can we do?

Also, I fell into the trap of only talking about the US.  If you refuse the ritual and sacrifice a different Warden, the same thing applies...

[AlexanderCousland]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that is bug do you rly think outside gameplay when you break up with leliana for morrigan she would gladly jump into relationship with you when you still are with morrigan?

Well considering there is literally a dialogue option in which I can lie to Leliana about seeing Morrigan I really dont think it's a bug. I really dont care what Leliana or Morrigan think about me seeing both of them, makes no difference to me, they are gameplay options I exploited them, no different from real life.

*sigh* first as i said we have two talks with leliana jealousy first is when you sleept with morrigan here you can lie her and that is previous conversation in second jealousy talk which is after first if you lied leliana she knows that you have relationship with morrigan and point that you lied her as well demands you can't lie her in second talk you can only break with one of them. I think that you don't understand that gameplay and story are separate.You used gap that devs didn't think about to fix li forces you to break up because they didn't accept that you are with other so do you think for example leliana or morrigan after you said her screw you would just come back to you and agree that you sleep with morrian or leliana and yes everyone knows who you romace because you share damn camp.   Damn i hope that you understand:pinched:.

I romanced both of them without consequences, the only thing I exploited was a dialogue option to lie. I want indisputable proof that romancing both Leliana or Morrigan without breaking up with one of them is a bug. Otherwise, My Warden is still a Mac daddy.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Dragon Age: Origins was always meant to have sequels in the same universe.  Hence the name.  If they want to downplay the "old god baby" because not everyone chose it, well... that's an awfully huge plot device to try to hide.

If it were up to me, I'd have let the player reason with Alistair after sparing Loghain (keeping Alistair in your good graces in the process and vice versa), and let Loghain be sacrificed to the archdemon.  There would be no ritual, and this issue wouldn't be a problem.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 16 novembre 2013 - 01:32 .

[Hazegurl]

I might be the only one who sort of agrees with Morrigan on not defending Redcliffe. We needed to get to the castle, the village was barely guarded, and most of the Arl's men were gone. Sounds like more trouble than its worth and there is a chance any member of my group could have died doing it.

My Warden mentioned wanting to go after the source, which was most likely at the castle. Seemed pretty reasonable that my team could enter Redcliffe castle and end the problem before it got out of hand or even started. Instead we had to wait until nightfall and fight off zombies. Only to be told that we could have just entered the castle secretly and solved the problem.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 16 novembre 2013 - 01:50 .

[Angrywolves]

The warden isn't with Morrigan if you go through the mirror with her.
The warden leaves Morrigan and the child before Morrigan reaches Orlais.
Morrigan spends time establishing herself in Orlais , building up her power base and I believe sleeping with and manipulating people to gain power for herself .
shrugs.

[TeamLexana]

I'm selfish, I'm more worried about my Fem Queen Warden... Surely Alistair would be ripping Thedas apart to find her, right? Hole in the sky and demons be damned! Right? *crickets*

[Hazegurl]

If I remember correctly romanced Alistair and the Fem Warden disappear together at some point.

[In Exile]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins was always meant to have sequels in the same universe.  Hence the name. 

The name came up *very* late in the development circle for the game. We're talking maybe around the original release date (before it was delayed for consoles). 

There was no indication from Bioware early on that the game was meant to spawn a series. 

[TeamLexana]

Hazegurl wrote...

If I remember correctly romanced Alistair and the Fem Warden disappear together at some point.

Going by the slideshow thing at the end of DAO, Alistair and the Mistress Fem Warden would disappear together eventually. Not the Queen/Princess-Consort and Alistair.

[KC_Prototype]

FreshIstay wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

She killed your warden end of the story next time don't romance ruthless bi*** hahaha

Good thing I went for the redhead then.

SO...I wander what happens if you choose both like me:whistle:

I did but you know, **** happens...like Morrigan and Leliana make me chose.

[KC_Prototype]

MasterScribe wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

It will SUCK if they end up using one of the following tropes for the Warden.

* Dropped a Bridge on Him
* Bus Crash
* Chuck Cunningham Syndrome

I shudder to think about it.  For example, Morrigan returns from the eluvian, but the Warden doesn't, just because they're eager to sweep him under the rug. 

He or she got the calling early?

**** that! If he or she survived the Archdemon, then that would be an lame excuse. Also, it's possible that Morrigan found a way to cure the Warden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

KC_Prototype wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

It will SUCK if they end up using one of the following tropes for the Warden.

* Dropped a Bridge on Him
* Bus Crash
* Chuck Cunningham Syndrome

I shudder to think about it.  For example, Morrigan returns from the eluvian, but the Warden doesn't, just because they're eager to sweep him under the rug. 

He or she got the calling early?

**** that! If he or she survived the Archdemon, then that would be an lame excuse. Also, it's possible that Morrigan found a way to cure the Warden.

Hmm i wonder whether cure was never found or someone managed discover cure but after grey wardens learned about that person well lets say that person had terrible accident.

[KC_Prototype]

Icy Magebane wrote...

bluebullets wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote..
This invalidates the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, making it impossible to have happened (meaning, no Warden could have died fighting the Archdemon).

yes, correct.

I think that it should have been written in, or not an option at all. (God baby or no god baby at all) because I feel like it is too big to trivialize as a canon of some little sort.

This, I can agree with.  I've heard conflicting arguments regarding DA:O.  Some have claimed that it was never meant to be a series, while others have claimed the opposite.  If it was always meant to be a series, I have to asssume that Bioware had a plan from the start, and that they are just going to follow it... but if not, then that means they're doing the best they can with an unforseen situation.  Either way, I leave it in their hands.  What else can we do?

Also, I fell into the trap of only talking about the US.  If you refuse the ritual and sacrifice a different Warden, the same thing applies...

Well, when the write the game out like this "Dragon Age: Origins", it leaves people think there will be more than 1 game other wise they would of just call it "Dragon Age", so they had an idea or plan. 

Modifié par KC_Prototype, 16 novembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[KC_Prototype]

FreshIstay wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that is bug do you rly think outside gameplay when you break up with leliana for morrigan she would gladly jump into relationship with you when you still are with morrigan?

Well considering there is literally a dialogue option in which I can lie to Leliana about seeing Morrigan I really dont think it's a bug. I really dont care what Leliana or Morrigan think about me seeing both of them, makes no difference to me, they are gameplay options I exploited them, no different from real life.

*sigh* first as i said we have two talks with leliana jealousy first is when you sleept with morrigan here you can lie her and that is previous conversation in second jealousy talk which is after first if you lied leliana she knows that you have relationship with morrigan and point that you lied her as well demands you can't lie her in second talk you can only break with one of them. I think that you don't understand that gameplay and story are separate.You used gap that devs didn't think about to fix li forces you to break up because they didn't accept that you are with other so do you think for example leliana or morrigan after you said her screw you would just come back to you and agree that you sleep with morrian or leliana and yes everyone knows who you romace because you share damn camp.   Damn i hope that you understand:pinched:.

I romanced both of them without consequences, the only thing I exploited was a dialogue option to lie. I want indisputable proof that romancing both Leliana or Morrigan without breaking up with one of them is a bug. Otherwise, My Warden is still a Mac daddy.

You must of broke up with Morrigan and then gave her the mirror and got back with her you pimp!

[KC_Prototype]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

It will SUCK if they end up using one of the following tropes for the Warden.

* Dropped a Bridge on Him
* Bus Crash
* Chuck Cunningham Syndrome

I shudder to think about it.  For example, Morrigan returns from the eluvian, but the Warden doesn't, just because they're eager to sweep him under the rug. 

He or she got the calling early?

**** that! If he or she survived the Archdemon, then that would be an lame excuse. Also, it's possible that Morrigan found a way to cure the Warden.

Hmm i wonder whether cure was never found or someone managed discover cure but after grey wardens learned about that person well lets say that person had terrible accident.

You're not gonna make The Warden disappear if he or she survived that even, it cheap and a slap in the face to our choice. The Warden is an ultimate bad ass with dragon blood running through him/her, he/she can't be killed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

FreshIstay wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that is bug do you rly think outside gameplay when you break up with leliana for morrigan she would gladly jump into relationship with you when you still are with morrigan?

Well considering there is literally a dialogue option in which I can lie to Leliana about seeing Morrigan I really dont think it's a bug. I really dont care what Leliana or Morrigan think about me seeing both of them, makes no difference to me, they are gameplay options I exploited them, no different from real life.

*sigh* first as i said we have two talks with leliana jealousy first is when you sleept with morrigan here you can lie her and that is previous conversation in second jealousy talk which is after first if you lied leliana she knows that you have relationship with morrigan and point that you lied her as well demands you can't lie her in second talk you can only break with one of them. I think that you don't understand that gameplay and story are separate.You used gap that devs didn't think about to fix li forces you to break up because they didn't accept that you are with other so do you think for example leliana or morrigan after you said her screw you would just come back to you and agree that you sleep with morrian or leliana and yes everyone knows who you romace because you share damn camp.   Damn i hope that you understand:pinched:.

I romanced both of them without consequences, the only thing I exploited was a dialogue option to lie. I want indisputable proof that romancing both Leliana or Morrigan without breaking up with one of them is a bug. Otherwise, My Warden is still a Mac daddy.

omg please tell me that you are trolling because i will lost my last parts faith in humanity.Ok i will speak like to child see morrigan and leliana have conversation !!!then you can lie!!! and after that conversation you have second conversation (we are going with story) and you can't lie in second conversation only choose li and now you are using gameplay flaws because devs didn't predicted that you will resume romance so they didn't recorded dialogue on such possibility  so everyone in camp know about your relationships including LI and you assume that LI what forced you to choose because none of them accepted that you have another li just accepted that after you broke with her just because.

Well i doubt that it will help some peoples just like insist "i beheaded leliana" , "that was gameplay" ," but i beheaded her"