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[TheKomandorShepard]

KC_Prototype wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

It will SUCK if they end up using one of the following tropes for the Warden.

* Dropped a Bridge on Him
* Bus Crash
* Chuck Cunningham Syndrome

I shudder to think about it.  For example, Morrigan returns from the eluvian, but the Warden doesn't, just because they're eager to sweep him under the rug. 

He or she got the calling early?

**** that! If he or she survived the Archdemon, then that would be an lame excuse. Also, it's possible that Morrigan found a way to cure the Warden.

Hmm i wonder whether cure was never found or someone managed discover cure but after grey wardens learned about that person well lets say that person had terrible accident.

You're not gonna make The Warden disappear if he or she survived that even, it cheap and a slap in the face to our choice. The Warden is an ultimate bad ass with dragon blood running through him/her, he/she can't be killed.

To be honest don't count on badass if bring him up see revan one of the biggest sith lords in star wars and he ended like punk in old republic that same for johnny klebitz in gta V. 

[GenericEnemy]

^ Johnny Klebitz was always a punk.

[TheKomandorShepard]

GenericEnemy wrote...

^ Johnny Klebitz was always a punk.

He was badass in his game and in gta V he died like bi*** so that applies also to him. 

[Hazegurl]

....then you can lie!!! and after that conversation you have second conversation (we are going with story) and you can't lie in second conversation only choose li and now you are using gameplay flaws because devs didn't predicted that you will resume romance so they didn't recorded dialogue on such possibility...

If the second conversation doesn't take place then both are still with you. No choice was ever made. To claim that the devs never thought of that and claim it is a flaw is wrong. If it was so important to end the romance then the option to lie would had never been added to begin with. These are the same people who give you the option to murder, lie, and cheat people all the time. You want me to believe that they never thought of a player keeping the lie going? Yeah right, I'll believe it if someone from BW says it and even then it'll be funny.

I recently romanced Morrigan and Zevran, I got the talk from Morrigan to end things with Zevran, there was no option to lie. I waited until later. Talked to Zevran, tried to lie or still choose dialogue to hold on to him, nothing worked. Then I gave him a bunch of gifts and got his approval high again and he seduced my Warden and I never got the talk from Morrigan or Zevran about breaking up again. I could have kept them both but right before the game ended I took them to camp and broke it off with Zevran. I could have kept them both. Are you saying it's a flaw...again?

If anything, perhaps BW didn't think of a sequel yet so anyone who wanted to end their story with multiple lovers could if they wanted to.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hazegurl wrote...

....then you can lie!!! and after that conversation you have second conversation (we are going with story) and you can't lie in second conversation only choose li and now you are using gameplay flaws because devs didn't predicted that you will resume romance so they didn't recorded dialogue on such possibility...

If the second conversation doesn't take place then both are still with you. No choice was ever made. To claim that the devs never thought of that and claim it is a flaw is wrong. If it was so important to end the romance then the option to lie would had never been added to begin with. These are the same people who give you the option to murder, lie, and cheat people all the time. You want me to believe that they never thought of a player keeping the lie going? Yeah right, I'll believe it if someone from BW says it and even then it'll be funny.

I recently romanced Morrigan and Zevran, I got the talk from Morrigan to end things with Zevran, there was no option to lie. I waited until later. Talked to Zevran, tried to lie or still choose dialogue to hold on to him, nothing worked. Then I gave him a bunch of gifts and got his approval high again and he seduced my Warden and I never got the talk from Morrigan or Zevran about breaking up again. I could have kept them both but right before the game ended I took them to camp and broke it off with Zevran. I could have kept them both. Are you saying it's a flaw...again?

If anything, perhaps BW didn't think of a sequel yet so anyone who wanted to end their story with multiple lovers could if they wanted to.

First second conversation always take place afeter you reach 70^ approval and second option to lie is part of the story and many peoples try lie their lover that they didn't cheated on her and leliana know that you lied her because simple your warden is visiting morrigan tent every day saying that leliana is fine with that because you didn't reached 70^ approval with morrigan is retarded.

[Icy Magebane]

If the devs intended for us to have the option of multiple romances, why would they make it that complicated? Why not just give us a dialogue choice where we outright say what we want, and both (or however many) LI's agree? Also, this idea that a simple lie is enough doesn't make a lot of sense... they all sleep in the same camp and don't have any other friends. How do you keep any of this a secret? This is obviously a bug.

Edit:  In fact, I remember saying that I wanted them both and they flat out refused to agree to that.  Man, it's like people are afraid to be wrong about even minor things...

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 16 novembre 2013 - 08:13 .

[Angrywolves]

Allistair never disappears since he shows up in DA2 either as king of Ferelden or as a drunk if you spare Loghain. He adventures with Isabela in one of the books and kills Maric, his own father and Yevanna, another of Flemeth's daughter witches.
When wardens disappear they don't take anybody with them.. That's obvious .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Angrywolves wrote...

Allistair never disappears since he shows up in DA2 either as king of Ferelden or as a drunk if you spare Loghain. He adventures with Isabela in one of the books and kills Maric, his own father and Yevanna, another of Flemeth's daughter witches.
When wardens disappear they don't take anybody with them.. That's obvious .

Do we even know when warden disappeared after wh or like hawke because alistair if he is grey warden seems don't know where is warden if romanced?

[Angrywolves]

I don't know.
Presumably Morrigan knows when he left her, Leliana knows if he romanced her, Anora knows if he married her, if femwarden married Allistair he knows etc.
My guess is it's the same exact time and date for all possibilities .
I doubt Gaider has said. There may be something in the DA wiki.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Angrywolves wrote...

I don't know.
Presumably Morrigan knows when he left her, Leliana knows if he romanced her, Anora knows if he married her, if femwarden married Allistair he knows etc.
My guess is it's the same exact time and date for all possibilities .
I doubt Gaider has said. There may be something in the DA wiki.

Damn that rly confusing  Leliana for sure don't know where warden is because in epilogue she don't know , morrigan well we don't know ,alistair seems know or at least think that warden is in denerim that same for guys who went with morrigan but as grey warden he don't know where she is in end of second act.

[Spectre slayer]

By the time 9:40 dragon, both the warden and hawke have mysteriously vanished though when we lose track of them is another matter entirely depending on who you romanced and what your role was.

If you romanced Morrigan and went through the Eluvian the last know record of you was in 9:32 dragon wot pg 152.

In act 3 year 7 if Alistair is king and you are Queen or mistress he or tegan says you are waiting for his return 9:37 dragon, so sometime after that probably in 9:38 dragon is when Alistair goes on his journey 

Not sure about Lelianas one, don't remember if she said that the warden was around or not

Anora don't know  

Zevaran don't know

Gaider did say every warden has vanished and the 9:40 dragon part was confirmed by the game and when they said the integration took place.

It's a "no matter what we do with them in the story as NPC's". They've already "disappeared", so you already have some going "but my X wouldn't have disappeared! They went off to do Y!" Says who? "Says me!" Well, too bad. As of the end of the game, you are no longer playing that character.

"But I don't like that!  You should leave that character alone forever, and never bring up any other character as a cameo unless it's vitally important ot the story (and I approve of their usage)!"

Again: too bad, sorry. We'll do our best to respect the choices that were made, but take no responsibility for headcanon with regards to what you believe those choices led to after the end of the game in which those characters appeared.

David Gaider

As for why "they disappeared" came into play, I don't really know for sure (especially for the Warden). Hawke's is much more of a "we wanted to expand on it in the expansion pack" pooch screw since, well, it was canceled and now we need to roll with that.

Which IS a valid criticism.

Alaan Schumacher 

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 16 novembre 2013 - 03:35 .

[KC_Prototype]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

It will SUCK if they end up using one of the following tropes for the Warden.

* Dropped a Bridge on Him
* Bus Crash
* Chuck Cunningham Syndrome

I shudder to think about it.  For example, Morrigan returns from the eluvian, but the Warden doesn't, just because they're eager to sweep him under the rug. 

He or she got the calling early?

**** that! If he or she survived the Archdemon, then that would be an lame excuse. Also, it's possible that Morrigan found a way to cure the Warden.

Hmm i wonder whether cure was never found or someone managed discover cure but after grey wardens learned about that person well lets say that person had terrible accident.

You're not gonna make The Warden disappear if he or she survived that even, it cheap and a slap in the face to our choice. The Warden is an ultimate bad ass with dragon blood running through him/her, he/she can't be killed.

To be honest don't count on badass if bring him up see revan one of the biggest sith lords in star wars and he ended like punk in old republic that same for johnny klebitz in gta V. 

And then Revan came back **** slapped Malak. Johnny, well he wasn't Niko or Luis so yeah...The Warden is on a whole nutha level!

[TheKomandorShepard]

KC_Prototype wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

It will SUCK if they end up using one of the following tropes for the Warden.

* Dropped a Bridge on Him
* Bus Crash
* Chuck Cunningham Syndrome

I shudder to think about it.  For example, Morrigan returns from the eluvian, but the Warden doesn't, just because they're eager to sweep him under the rug. 

He or she got the calling early?

**** that! If he or she survived the Archdemon, then that would be an lame excuse. Also, it's possible that Morrigan found a way to cure the Warden.

Hmm i wonder whether cure was never found or someone managed discover cure but after grey wardens learned about that person well lets say that person had terrible accident.

You're not gonna make The Warden disappear if he or she survived that even, it cheap and a slap in the face to our choice. The Warden is an ultimate bad ass with dragon blood running through him/her, he/she can't be killed.

To be honest don't count on badass if bring him up see revan one of the biggest sith lords in star wars and he ended like punk in old republic that same for johnny klebitz in gta V. 

And then Revan came back **** slapped Malak. Johnny, well he wasn't Niko or Luis so yeah...The Warden is on a whole nutha level!

Well you of course didn't played old republic only knights of the old republic old republic is third game mmo and there is revan after (watch on your responsibility).

[SgtSteel91]

The only thing I saw in the video was a flash of light and then he disappeared. Maybe Revan let you win V:?V

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 16 novembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[Hazegurl]

@Komandor, I'm waiting for the part where you prove it is a bug or flaw. If the devs implemented this feature not once but multiple times then you can't call it a flaw. It's intentional. As for Leilana not knowing you are cheating. I do admit that it's stupid having them sleep together at the camp. But that means nothing when both can be your lover at the very end of the game. That's all that matters. Actually one can easily headcanon the situation as Leilana accepting that the Warden has both her and Morrigan as lovers and just will not bring up the matter further cause you know, it's countdown to Archdemon time and no one may walk out of it alive. I could have done the same head canon with Zevran and Morrigan with Zevran as the more accepting one while Morrigan was refusing to sleep with my warden even though she was still romancing him by the end.

If the devs intended for us to have the option of multiple romances, why would they make it that complicated? Why not just give us a dialogue choice where we outright say what we want, and both (or however many) LI's agree? Also, this idea that a simple lie is enough doesn't make a lot of sense... they all sleep in the same camp and don't have any other friends. How do you keep any of this a secret? This is obviously a bug.

Edit:  In fact, I remember saying that I wanted them both and they flat out refused to agree to that.  Man, it's like people are afraid to be wrong about even minor things...

Speak for yourself. It's nobody's fault that you didn't play your cards right. And it's stupid to claim that the PC should be able to say he/she wants both and just have both. It wouldn't be lying and cheating then now would it? And no, it isn't even complicated. Just freaking lie when the option to lie is presented and keep it going until the end. Easy peasy. Or break it off with one and rekindle later when you get their approval high enough. Once again. Very simple.
 
@Spectre, that's why I had my male Warden follow Morrigan into the Eluvian. Since he vanishes anyway because....Gaider reasons... then I'm going to be the one in control of how he does it. 

Modifié par Hazegurl, 16 novembre 2013 - 11:08 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hazegurl wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
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@Komandor, I'm waiting for the part where you prove it is a bug or flaw. If the devs implemented this feature not once but multiple times then you can't call it a flaw. It's intentional. As for Leilana not knowing you are cheating. I do admit that it's stupid having them sleep together at the camp. But that means nothing when both can be your lover at the very end of the game. That's all that matters. Actually one can easily headcanon the situation as Leilana accepting that the Warden has both her and Morrigan as lovers and just will not bring up the matter further cause you know, it's countdown to Archdemon time and no one may walk out of it alive. I could have done the same head canon with Zevran and Morrigan with Zevran as the more accepting one while Morrigan was refusing to sleep with my warden even though she was still romancing him by the end.

If the devs intended for us to have the option of multiple romances, why would they make it that complicated? Why not just give us a dialogue choice where we outright say what we want, and both (or however many) LI's agree? Also, this idea that a simple lie is enough doesn't make a lot of sense... they all sleep in the same camp and don't have any other friends. How do you keep any of this a secret? This is obviously a bug.

Edit:  In fact, I remember saying that I wanted them both and they flat out refused to agree to that.  Man, it's like people are afraid to be wrong about even minor things...

Speak for yourself. It's nobody's fault that you didn't play your cards right. And it's stupid to claim that the PC should be able to say he/she wants both and just have both. It wouldn't be lying and cheating then now would it? And no, it isn't even complicated. Just freaking lie when the option to lie is presented and keep it going until the end. Easy peasy. Or break it off with one and rekindle later when you get their approval high enough. Once again. Very simple.

Sure you can headcanon you can even headcanon alistair flying on the dragon burning thedas but it won't be truth (you can headcanon only with your pc because you are in charge of them but with independent characters see leliana in da 2) it clear that none of li accepts that you have another what we can see if we go after 70 app but app meter is only for gameplay sake to show how character likes you not for story sake and that isn't perfect simple leliana won't accept your relationship with morrigan as it is shown in story sadly devs make some mistakes as possibility romancing li again if you broke with them for other li and this time they don't say nothing about it is like leliana romance bug even if you tell that you want be friend with her leliana and game treats you like you are still in romance with her. Even da 2 and perhaps daa didn't treats something as romance unless 90 app was reached. 

[TheButterflyEffect]

TeamLexana wrote...

I'm selfish, I'm more worried about my Fem Queen Warden... Surely Alistair would be ripping Thedas apart to find her, right? Hole in the sky and demons be damned! Right? *crickets*

Actually, I'd think he'll just dump her for someone fertile. Because, in the end, that's all any woman is worth to any man. 

[Hazegurl]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Sure you can headcanon you can even headcanon alistair flying on the dragon burning thedas but it won't be truth

Your ramblings aren't anymore truthful then that head canon. Why can you sleep with both at the camp? Cause you can. That's the simple truth of it.
 

it clear that none of li accepts that you have another what we can see if we go after 70 app but app meter is only for gameplay sake to show how character likes you not for story sake...

Yet the friendship/romance meter does affect the story, albeit in a small way. 


@Butterfly, I actually agree with that. Alistair is concerned about an heir. Now I'm wondering if my female mistress mage warden shouldn't just dive into the Eluvian with Morrigan as well. 

As for the a Queen Warden....Well I would say she is more fertile than Alistair as she hadn't had the taint in her as long. Girlfriend better find herself a hidden lover that resembles Alistair and make those heirs. 
 

Modifié par Hazegurl, 16 novembre 2013 - 11:31 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hazegurl wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Sure you can headcanon you can even headcanon alistair flying on the dragon burning thedas but it won't be truth

Your ramblings aren't anymore truthful then that head canon. Why can you sleep with both at the camp? Cause you can. That's the simple truth of it.
 

it clear that none of li accepts that you have another what we can see if we go after 70 app but app meter is only for gameplay sake to show how character likes you not for story sake...

Yet the friendship/romance meter does affect the story, albeit in a small way. 


@Butterfly, I actually agree with that. Alistair is concerned about an heir. Now I'm wondering if my female mistress mage warden shouldn't just dive into the Eluvian with Morrigan as well. 

As for the a Queen Warden....Well I would say she is more fertile than Alistair as she hadn't had the taint in her as long. Girlfriend better find herself a hidden lover that resembles Alistair and make those heirs. 
 

Sigh i won't even argue because it is like arguing with peoples that claim they beheded leliana becaue they did that in gameplay.

[bluebullets]

Spectre slayer wrote...

By the time 9:40 dragon, both the warden and hawke have mysteriously vanished though when we lose track of them is another matter entirely depending on who you romanced and what your role was.

If you romanced Morrigan and went through the Eluvian the last know record of you was in 9:32 dragon wot pg 152.

In act 3 year 7 if Alistair is king and you are Queen or mistress he or tegan says you are waiting for his return 9:37 dragon, so sometime after that probably in 9:38 dragon is when Alistair goes on his journey 

Not sure about Lelianas one, don't remember if she said that the warden was around or not

Anora don't know  

Zevaran don't know

Gaider did say every warden has vanished and the 9:40 dragon part was confirmed by the game and when they said the integration took place.

It's a "no matter what we do with them in the story as NPC's". They've already "disappeared", so you already have some going "but my X wouldn't have disappeared! They went off to do Y!" Says who? "Says me!" Well, too bad. As of the end of the game, you are no longer playing that character.

"But I don't like that!  You should leave that character alone forever, and never bring up any other character as a cameo unless it's vitally important ot the story (and I approve of their usage)!"

Again: too bad, sorry. We'll do our best to respect the choices that were made, but take no responsibility for headcanon with regards to what you believe those choices led to after the end of the game in which those characters appeared.

David Gaider

As for why "they disappeared" came into play, I don't really know for sure (especially for the Warden). Hawke's is much more of a "we wanted to expand on it in the expansion pack" pooch screw since, well, it was canceled and now we need to roll with that.

Which IS a valid criticism.

Alaan Schumacher 

That is such bogus... Oh, I don't know, so I guess we'll just make them disappear. Great f***ing writing.. Shepard might be gone, but at least they explained why/how.

If you want my warden gone, that's cool with me, but explain it.. Don't have his love interest he went into the mirror with as a main character in da3, then just say "idk man, he dissapeared"
Don't have Da:O characters return if you want to just ignore the old MC then...

I'm actually angry now...

Modifié par bluebullets, 17 novembre 2013 - 12:07 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

bluebullets wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

By the time 9:40 dragon, both the warden and hawke have mysteriously vanished though when we lose track of them is another matter entirely depending on who you romanced and what your role was.

If you romanced Morrigan and went through the Eluvian the last know record of you was in 9:32 dragon wot pg 152.

In act 3 year 7 if Alistair is king and you are Queen or mistress he or tegan says you are waiting for his return 9:37 dragon, so sometime after that probably in 9:38 dragon is when Alistair goes on his journey 

Not sure about Lelianas one, don't remember if she said that the warden was around or not

Anora don't know  

Zevaran don't know

Gaider did say every warden has vanished and the 9:40 dragon part was confirmed by the game and when they said the integration took place.

It's a "no matter what we do with them in the story as NPC's". They've already "disappeared", so you already have some going "but my X wouldn't have disappeared! They went off to do Y!" Says who? "Says me!" Well, too bad. As of the end of the game, you are no longer playing that character.

"But I don't like that!  You should leave that character alone forever, and never bring up any other character as a cameo unless it's vitally important ot the story (and I approve of their usage)!"

Again: too bad, sorry. We'll do our best to respect the choices that were made, but take no responsibility for headcanon with regards to what you believe those choices led to after the end of the game in which those characters appeared.

David Gaider

As for why "they disappeared" came into play, I don't really know for sure (especially for the Warden). Hawke's is much more of a "we wanted to expand on it in the expansion pack" pooch screw since, well, it was canceled and now we need to roll with that.

Which IS a valid criticism.

Alaan Schumacher 

That is such bogus... Oh, I don't know, so I guesd we'll just make them disappear. Great f***ing writing.. Shepard might be gone, but at least they explained why/how.

If you want my warden gone, that's cool with me, but explain it.. Don't have his love interest he went into the mirror with as a main character in da3, then just say "idk man, he dissapeared"
Don't have Da:O characters return if you want to just ignore the old MC then...

I'm actually angry now...

Well you shouldn't be angry at least because they disappeared because they probably appear in game but how much it will be your warden time will tell and i doubt that will be something other than radnom npc with one
personality.

[Hazegurl]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Sigh i won't even argue because it is like arguing with peoples that claim they beheded leliana becaue they did that in gameplay.

Seems like that describes you the most. 

[TheButterflyEffect]

Hazegurl wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Sure you can headcanon you can even headcanon alistair flying on the dragon burning thedas but it won't be truth

Your ramblings aren't anymore truthful then that head canon. Why can you sleep with both at the camp? Cause you can. That's the simple truth of it.
 

it clear that none of li accepts that you have another what we can see if we go after 70 app but app meter is only for gameplay sake to show how character likes you not for story sake...

Yet the friendship/romance meter does affect the story, albeit in a small way. 


@Butterfly, I actually agree with that. Alistair is concerned about an heir. Now I'm wondering if my female mistress mage warden shouldn't just dive into the Eluvian with Morrigan as well. 

As for the a Queen Warden....Well I would say she is more fertile than Alistair as she hadn't had the taint in her as long. Girlfriend better find herself a hidden lover that resembles Alistair and make those heirs. 
 

Gross.

[Angrywolves]

a rather sexist butterfly . A woman's fertility isn't a be all end all to a man, Henry the 8th aside.
Bioware may disclose the mystery of the warden's disappearance.

[Hazegurl]

What you call gross Butterfly, I call practical. lol!

@Angry, actually, I think that back then fertility and heirs were a huge deal. Especially to nobles. Very very few men would be willingly to walk into a marriage with a woman who could not reproduce. Even Alistair has his reservations about marrying Queen Warden for this very thing.