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[Zeralith]

 I've played through the game several times, and still don't really get it.  Maybe it's in a Codex entry I missed, or something, but I just don't understand why the Chantry places so much hate on the Qunari.  I mean, sure, it's a competing religion, but you'd think since the Chant is based around a hatred and fear of magic, they'd be more concerned about the Imperium; the country ruled by mages who are actively "perverting" the teachings of Andraste and whatnot.  The Qunari should even be a potential ally on that front, since they hate Mages too - not that the Qunari would ally themselves with anyone, but at the very least you'd think they'd both be fighting the same enemy and not bother with each other just yet?

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

The Qunari are much more anti-mage than the Chantry is. They're also much more imperialistic than the Chantry is. Also, the Qunari are somewhat barbaric, despite their more advanced technology, and they also have a caste system, which is something that the Chantry does not teach.

[Zeralith]

Yep. I'm not saying I expect them to get along, I'm just confused by them being at each other's throats so much. Maybe it's just because there's very little influence from Tevinter in the Free Marches. ...I may have just answered my own question. Hm.

[thats1evildude]

The Chantry's views on magic cannot be summed up as "They hate magic." More accurately, they hate maleficarum - mages who use their magic to exert power over others. And because every mage has the potential to be a maleficar, they believe magic must be controlled.

The qunari's ultimate goal is to supplant the Chantry and effectively force mankind to turn its back on the Maker. The Tevinters are heretics, but they're still technically Andrastians. The threat posed by the Qun is far greater than that of the Imperium, at least for now.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 novembre 2013 - 06:40 .

[Zeralith]

The Tevinter Imperium is Andrastian in name only, as far as I understand. You say that the Chantry hates mages who use their magic to exert power over others, and that is exactly what Tevinter Magisters do every day, while claiming to follow Andraste's will.

[thats1evildude]

They are Andrastian. They do revere the Maker. They just have a significantly different take on the religion's principles.

The Chantry undertook four Exalted Marches against the Imperium, so it's not as though they're turning a blind eye to Tevinter's discretions.

But again, it's a matter of scale. The Tevinters, while heretics, are not currently a major threat. Everyone knows the qunari are just biding their time, waiting for the right opportunity for another invasion. And the qunari, from the Chantry's perspective, are godless heathens who would totally eliminate the Chantry.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 novembre 2013 - 07:42 .

[Vaanarash]

Also keep in mind, when was the last time Tevinter tried to conquer one of the other Thedosian nations? Whereas the Qunari just tried to(and almost succeeded) in conquering one of the major Free Marcher city-states. Before that, there were the Qunari Wars that lasted 150 some years, and still ended less in a victory for the Andrastian nations, and more of a truce since the Andrastians were tired of fighting and wanted to start working on rebuilding their damaged nations.

Peace, Vaan.

[dragonflight288]

They are opposed in complete idealogy. The Chantry believes the Maker will return if the Chant is sung from all corners of the World, whereas the Qunari believe that happiness and your place in the world is based on inherent abilities and aptitudes and so they reject any notion of a higher power. They believe in the strength of their arm, everyone has a role that they can fill based on their talents, and they MUST be satisfied in that role, and wish to spread their philosophy throughout the world and see themselves as Enlightened compared to everyone else.

And both sides have history's of forcing their beliefs on others with the sword, so it's natural the two came to blows as both believe the other is wrong and both feel perfectly justified conquering others to spread their views.

[BronzTrooper]

Same reason they launched an Exalted March on the Dales after the Second Blight, they believe they are tyrannical heathens who want nothing but the destruction of the Chantry (while this was far from the truth for the Elves of the Dales, it has a basis in fact for the Qunari). The only difference is that the Qunari struck first. Let's just say that religion always feels under threat when confronted with opposing, and sometimes popular, beliefs. The Chantry is no different.

[ireneadler]

the tevinter imperium seems to be crumbling, and i don't think it still has the vigor to launch invasions---the main method it would have for converting everyone to its beliefs. the qunari, on the other hand, are not only still fierce and efficient warriors, they're of the idea that bringing the qun to others is an aspect of social responsibility. and in their culture, indoctrination happens in early childhood---people are taken from their parents and raised in whatever role has been determined for them. it's difficult to counter a teaching that's become so ingrained.

the chantry must see them as a greater threat. there isn't much you can do to counter determined qunari once they've set their sights on your area of the world.

ps:  in all fairness to both sides, though, i didn't see much chantry hatred against the qunari in da2, with the exception of petrice and her rogue templar friend.  they both seemed a little like loose cannons and had little support from the chantry hierarchy.

and the arishok really didn't seem all that interested in bringing the qun to northern thedas---except in that grumbling sense of 'how do you people manage to live with so little order?'  mainly he seemed interested in retrieving koslun's text, stolen under his watch.

Modifié par ireneadler, 13 décembre 2013 - 01:31 .

[Lazy Jer]

Well for one the core beliefs of the Qun is that, and I'm paraphrasing here, that other religions are full of it. This directly challenges the Chantry's core beliefs that, among other things, that they're totally not full of it. So there's a clash there.