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[BronzTrooper]

Purgatory was an "ark ship" and look how that turned out...

But seriously, that would be close to the VA's method of survival without downloading people's consciousness into a massive supercomputer and have an AI maintain the virtual reality. If you are talking about having them go into stasis and let the ship drift through space with all the power being reserved for the pods with solar panels to collect energy from stars when passing through a solar system, then that could work.

Modifié par Gamer072196, 14 novembre 2013 - 11:36 .

[McFlurry598]

I don't think it's more about survival than than defending your home world. Putting me in a place of a human in mass effect, I don't think I could watch my system burn while I look out the back windows if an ark.

Modifié par McFlurry598, 15 novembre 2013 - 10:39 .

[Ruadh]

Screw that. Instead, use the resources to make everyone in the galaxy a set of armour made out of black box recorders. Lets see the Reapers get past that.

Or become submarine people. Hiding amongst the Leviathan. Living in bubbles and stuff.

Or outfit the Normandy with a skyscraper sized lightsaber. Cut the Reapers to bits.

Or, if you believe in the beam run evacuation scene IFF nonsense, equip everyone with a replica IFF and they'll become invisible to the enemy. I deem it, 'Operation: Fairy Reaper.'

Or actually run with Jokers thresher maw gun. Maybe set the maw on fire first for extra damage.

Perhaps, in true grim reaper style, challenge the Reapers to a game of chess for survival. If chess doesn't suit, maybe poker, monopoly, snap, guess who, snakes and ladders, something to do with pokemon cards, mass effect risk . . .

[Zazzerka]

Perhaps, in true grim reaper style, challenge the Reapers to a game of chess for survival. If chess doesn't suit, maybe poker, monopoly, snap, guess who, snakes and ladders, something to do with pokemon cards, mass effect risk . . .

maybe mass effect risk . . .

mass effect risk . . .

[LegioDamnatus]

Why would you want to stay in a galaxy with Reapers?

If we're building ark ships, we may as well set course for the galaxy next door. Or the door after next door. Better too much distance between us and the Reapers than too little.

[Dean_the_Young]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Underground security vaults where you and your family can wait out the horrors of the harvest.

The Arks were never meant to save anyone...





More seriously, it's been the conceit of the series that the Reapers are ruthlessly efficient at catching people who run away from them. The 'how' isn't established... but then, it really doesn't need to be. The Reapers have been around long enough, and have enough Reaper artifacts around the galaxy, that they could simply already have a tracking system inplace to watch for and catch such runaways. Given how ME physics work for FTL travel, all you have to do is litter the viable systems with tiny probes to detect for blue shifting. I wouldn't be surprised if they also had sensors to detect the dark energy involvement of mass effect usage.

Pretty much the only people who we've seen escape the Reaper notice have been those who buried deep and did nothing. Constantly running vi ship is more limiting with the fuel, discharge, and logistics concerns.

[Arcian]

tickle267 wrote...

it's wall-e but replace rubbish with reapers

-cut-

I can't, they're synonymous.

[AlexMBrennan]

If Leviathan can hide, then perhaps so can arks.

They also have the ability to instantly destroy Reaper capital ships (which, of course, would lead the Reapers right to their hiding place - that planet where Reaper ships keep mysteriously disappearing...)

Pretty much the only people who we've seen escape the Reaper notice have been those who buried deep and did nothing. Constantly running vi ship is more limiting with the fuel, discharge, and logistics concerns

The Reapers also completely missed the protheans building a large colony on Ilos - where were these hypothetical detectors when Ilos was built?

Are we absolutely sure Bioware has thought this through?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 15 novembre 2013 - 02:10 .

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If Leviathan can hide, then perhaps so can arks.

They also have the ability to instantly destroy Reaper capital ships (which, of course, would lead the Reapers right to their hiding place - that planet where Reaper ships keep mysteriously disappearing...)

I'm not sure a single Reaper counts as 'Reaper ships keep mysteriously disappearing.'

Given the context of the scenes and Leviathans, now that the Reapers know where they're hidden, the Leviathans are just as exposed as the rest of us. A limited defense mechanism won't keep them safe when the Reapers have time to prepare and know where to find them.

Pretty much the only people who we've seen escape the Reaper notice have been those who buried deep and did nothing. Constantly running vi ship is more limiting with the fuel, discharge, and logistics concerns

The Reapers also completely missed the protheans building a large colony on Ilos - where were these hypothetical detectors when Ilos was built?

Depending on how you interpret the planet scan, which talks about orbital debris and wildfires, the Reapers may well have- just not the secret bunker project.

Are we absolutely sure Bioware has thought this through?

Oh, we've known they haven't for awhile. Tali's data file and he planet scan and codex numbers alone gave that away years ago.

[David7204]

'Tali's data file'?

[BeastSaver]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If Leviathan can hide, then perhaps so can arks.

They also have the ability to instantly destroy Reaper capital ships (which, of course, would lead the Reapers right to their hiding place - that planet where Reaper ships keep mysteriously disappearing...)

Pretty much the only people who we've seen escape the Reaper notice have been those who buried deep and did nothing. Constantly running vi ship is more limiting with the fuel, discharge, and logistics concerns

The Reapers also completely missed the protheans building a large colony on Ilos - where were these hypothetical detectors when Ilos was built?

Are we absolutely sure Bioware has thought this through?

According to Vigil in ME1, the records for Ilos were destroyed in the initial attack on the Citadel and the colony went dark thereafter.

[tonnactus]

They did on Ilos.

[tonnactus]

dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah, let's just turn Shepard into Space Jesus

Already happened with Mass Effect 2...

[AlexMBrennan]

According to Vigil in ME1, the records for Ilos were destroyed in the initial attack on the Citadel and the colony went dark thereafter.

Dean suggested that the Reapers have a monitoring system of sorts ("they could simply already have a tracking system inplace to watch for and catch such runaways.") which would be independent of any records the protheans themselves kept - as I said, building something the size of Ilos would have required materials, labour and such and thus generated traffic which the Reapers would have picked up.

I'm not sure a single Reaper counts as 'Reaper ships keep mysteriously disappearing.'

Sorry, I misremembered that scene; however, the point remains - the Leviathans' plan relies on Reapers not investigating the mysterious disappearance of a capital ship and assorted ground troops.

[Yougotcarved1]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

As Liara says to Shepard, it would be easy to just get lost out there

Wrong - Liara said that it would be easy for *one ship* to get lost... enough ships for every. last. human are a completely different matter.

Do you know how big space is?

[AlexMBrennan]

The size of space is irrelevant, the problem is keeping a project of such monumental size secret (again, if there is a single indoctrinated agent on your ark then you are doomed) - you need to design them, build them, train crew without word ever getting out, get the people to the ships, etc.

The above assumes that the ultimate goal is to affect the future conflict in some way (e.g. if the Reapers got word that you are planning to have the arks return to give the next cycle an advantage then they could just idle for a cycle to murder everyone); if you don't care about and are just going to keep going in a random direction then you can be a bit more lenient (but then again, who cares? Is the continued existence of humanity inherently better than cessation of existence?)

[BeastSaver]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

According to Vigil in ME1, the records for Ilos were destroyed in the initial attack on the Citadel and the colony went dark thereafter.

Dean suggested that the Reapers have a monitoring system of sorts ("they could simply already have a tracking system inplace to watch for and catch such runaways.") which would be independent of any records the protheans themselves kept - as I said, building something the size of Ilos would have required materials, labour and such and thus generated traffic which the Reapers would have picked up.

I'm not sure a single Reaper counts as 'Reaper ships keep mysteriously disappearing.'

Sorry, I misremembered that scene; however, the point remains - the Leviathans' plan relies on Reapers not investigating the mysterious disappearance of a capital ship and assorted ground troops.

The Ilos colony was built in the ruins left by the Inusannon (according to Javik) and was a top secret facility before the Reapers' arrival. 

Conversation with Vigil:

"All official records of our project were destroyed in the initial attack on the Citadel. While the Prothean empire come crashing down, Ilos was spared. We severed all communication with the outside and our facility went dark. The personnel retreated underground into these archives. To conserve resources, everyone was put into cryogenic stasis. I was programmed to monitor the facility and wake the staff when the danger had passed. But the genocide of an entire species is a long, slow process. Years passed. Decades, centuries. The Reapers persisted. And my energy reserves were dwindling.


I began to disable the life support of non-essential personnel. First support staff, then security. One by one, their pods were shut down to conserve energy. Eventually only the stasis pods of the top scientists remained active. Even these were in danger of failing when the Reapers finally retreated back through the Citadel relay."

Modifié par BeastSaver, 16 novembre 2013 - 12:43 .

[cap and gown]

Alright, so why was this theory thoroughly dismissed and now it is looking ever more probable that I was right (almost exactly two years ago). I'm calling ya'll on it! double