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[x-aizen-x]

Ok first just a little side note: Bioware usually closes threads on this topic because people always take it offensive for some reason and start insulting each other. Please don't do that I'm not trying to offend anyone. 

So lets just get into it. In DAO and DA2 you could make dark-skinned characters but they still looked like Europeans in the face. Also you could only give them European accents which made it kind of weird, Especially in DA2.

DAI I clearly is not going to be a short little 5 hour game which is awesome. its also clearly going to have a lot of NPC's in it which is also good. With that a proven fact I would love if I could make MY ideal Inquisitor for this masterpiece. I would hate to have to play with a character I did not really like the whole.

Like how about dreads or the option to have a African accent or just some thing along those lines.
like maybe do something with the DAO qunari look. I just do not want to be force to have one type of character.
I understand this does not apply to the qunari.
 

Please people lets just keep it friendly ok?


Update: OK first of all when I said black I did not mean a stereotypical ghetto black person of our society. Believe it or not there were way more powerful black warrior cultures around the same period that DAI takes place. also Im not sure what you guys mean by lore. Sten was black wasn't he? I mean my cousin is way more bright skinned then Sten. but anyway there were black people in  DAO and a small number in DA2. and during the European church period there were black people. I mean like I said DA has had some black characters.

What IM asking for is greater flexibility in the CC system. For example I should be able to make a character black and not be forced to give him European hair. I mean they have taken a lot of things from skyrim. and Skyrim had a very good CC. and again I understand there are no black races in the lore(If you don't count the qunari like sten).
If they already have cornrows and you CAN have black skinned characters why not give something like dreads or something. And one of you said bioware should not try to just satisfy a small group of players, but really am I asking to much here? its pretty basic for an RPG. And again I don't mean a stereotypical black person of our society. There were black ancient cultures that were waaaaay more powerful than the Greeks and Romans. I really don't think im asking a whole lot.

Modifié par x-aizen-x, 16 novembre 2013 - 11:36 .

[Camthalon]

I'd favor it if there were african analogues in the game's world, but so far there do not seem to be. I don't favor smashing the lore just to appeal to some players.

[The Xand]

Camthalon wrote...

I'd favor it if there were african analogues in the game's world, but so far there do not seem to be. I don't favor smashing the lore just to appeal to some players.

I'm with this. I just think it would be weird seeing Chinese or African looking people in the current world of Thedas because there aren't any analogous cultures (yet). Maybe once they've introduced a more African or Oriental themed race of humans from more distant lands.

That said I'm pretty sure the character creator was comprehensive enough to create a realistic looking African. You could create characters as monstrous or as handsome as you liked so an African isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

[Icy Magebane]

@The Xand - You have got to be kidding me. I'm going to have nightmares from seeing that character!

As much as I'd like to agree with the OP, I'm afraid this just won't work lore-wise. Like people have said, there's nobody like this that we've ever seen... but that doesn't mean it's impossible in future games that don't take place in this area. Although I doubt we'll ever see the rest of the world, so I wouldn't count on it.

[thats1evildude]

Vivienne looks pretty black. That seems promising.

I would say no on the African accents and the like, tho, since there is no Africa analogue in Thedas.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 novembre 2013 - 08:04 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

i'm pretty sure OP is just asking for more flexibility in the CC for their own character so idk why you're all bringing up lore

I would like this too. Failing that at least darker skin tones will look awesome this time.

[Ailith Tycane]

The European accents didn't bother me, there are plenty of POC from Europe with European accents, but you're right that it's always more difficult to make a character with features that aren't white washed.

[Icy Magebane]

Actually, there was a dreads hairstyle in the DA:O CC now that I think about it... well, whatever. I thought the OP was talking about something a lot more detailed than what was already offered, like unique racial features and voices. Now why would that be? Oh yeah, he mentioned all of that in the OP.  Lore applies because there would be no other races to begin with, so where would you get these unique features from?

Edit:  I just remembered, that was cornrows, not dreads...

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 15 novembre 2013 - 10:55 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

this is gonna be one of those "you can be an elf or a dwarf but there's no reason you should be able to be black, how dare you even ask" threads isn't it

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 15 novembre 2013 - 08:09 .

[Dova]

Exactly OP we need more black characters with black features!


In all seriousness, the DA:2 CC was a bit off, yes, you could have a dark skinned Hawke, but like..what are black people features I don't understand this. 
Ah well I'll be surprised if this thread makes it over 2 days without a mod coming in here.

[Hellion Rex]

I will point to Vivienne being representative of how "black" characters will look in DA:I. And I will say that she looks amazing!

[ShadowLordXII]

Despite profile pic, I second this.

[Han Shot First]

Camthalon wrote...

I'd favor it if there were african analogues in the game's world, but so far there do not seem to be. I don't favor smashing the lore just to appeal to some players.

Some of the Rivaini are black.

They are said to have skin tones that range from tan to ebony. Isabela and Duncan just happened to be of the tan variety. Also the new companion Vivienne is a black woman. Her origins are unknown, but given the already established lore on Rivain, its been speculated that she might have either full or partial Rivaini ancestry.

At any rate, black people exist in Thedas.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

thats1evildude wrote...

Vivienne looks pretty black. That seems promising.

I would say no on the African accents and the like, tho, since there is no Africa analogue in Thedas.

Well, I wouldn't say no to them giving Rivainis a more distinctive accent, cause at the moment they're essentially Fereldans. Maybe Zimbabwean or something. 

Though I have no idea how many actors they'd be able to get out of that, seeing as they only seemed to be able to find 2 French ones. :S

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 15 novembre 2013 - 09:05 .

[BouncyFrag]

I don't see the need for lore to justify the color of someones skin in DA. Its a fantasy game set in a universe of magic and all sorts of people, animals, creatures, monsters, etc. In comparison to all the fantastical things we encounter in these games, ones skin color seems like a minor issue to me. Why should the devs limit themselves to what they can create because of the real world that we live in?

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 15 novembre 2013 - 09:08 .

[GenericEnemy]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Vivienne looks pretty black. That seems promising.

I would say no on the African accents and the like, tho, since there is no Africa analogue in Thedas.

Well, I wouldn't say no to them giving Rivainis a more distinctive accent, cause at the moment they're essentially Fereldans. Maybe Zimbabwean or something. 

Though I have no idea how many actors they'd be able to get out of that, seeing as they only seemed to be able to find 2 French ones. :S

Rivain would suddenly become 20% more awesome <3

[snackrat]

Hopefully, but I'm not so sure that will be the case. The different forms would potentially need to be different races because of how the engine works. They're using Frostbite as a graphics engine, I don't know if that will affect races.

I disagree with those saying that you could recreate them though. Mass Effect had a slider for facial structure which would help, but there are NO markers for other races in either DA game so far.
No funnel nose (your 'black features'), and you can't modify profile/'muzzle' depth (which for african, protrudes; and for asian, is recessed, compared to European).
Can't do anything to reduce lobes (not the whole ear's pinnae, just the lobe).
Even the cheekbones, which DO have sliders, are typically disabled for men (because beards lolololol) or make absolutely no difference to women (all the women look the same lolololol).

Hell DAO couldn't even handle dark skins tones without making them look like oil on cardboard and that is the least subtle marker of them all.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 15 novembre 2013 - 09:33 .

[PlasmaCheese]

There were cornrows in DAO, and only for men (bah!). There weren't any dreads. Js.

[The Antagonist]

there are no black people in fantasy bro

[The Elder King]

I think that the skin isn't going to be a problem anymore (devs said that the Frostbite renders the black skin much better than Eclipse, and we already saw it with Vivienne). The accent is going to be a much more difficult topic. Even if DAI will have multiple VA for PC, I doubt it'll be more than one for each race.
As for customization features for having a more african look (not sure if this is what you're asking), I don't see the problem with having more options. Though we don't know how much detailed the CC will be.

[The Elder King]

codenamesource wrote...

there are no black people in fantasy bro

Black people exist in Rivain, according to the lore.

[Ser Fish]

Even if african featured people do not exist within the lore (which I would argue, partly on the basis of Vivienne, and partly on the basis of seriously? We assume we have seen every possible group of people across an entire continent and that there can be no accounting for anybody other than whitey mcwhiterson?) I think the character creator should allow for the creation of african featured people. Dark and well rendered skin tones, selectable default facial features that are non-european, hairs in a variety of textures as well as styles. Beyond simply the common decency of allowing people to create a character that somewhat resembles themselves regardless of lore explanations, an expanded character creator is never not a good thing. The more options for everyone, the more... well, options. It boggles my mind to see people here who will fight tooth and nail for anything to enhance role playing then turn around and complain that the character creator is giving them options.

[TheButterflyEffect]

I've asked of this before. They say they're going to at least make the graphics engine able to display dark skin properly. Here's hoping..