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The Xand wrote...

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No, you're still wrong. 'Black' Indians are partially Australoid and 'black' Moors were partially sub-Saharan African.

Out of curiosity though, why shouldn't the 'ebony' Riviani look like sub-Saharan Africans? Why should the 'ebony' Rivaini look more Indian than African? Why is one more preferable than the other?


Except I'm not wrong and there are very different types of "black" people, beyond the single stereotypical type you seem to think should be in everything. One is preferable because it's more authentic. The Moors didn't look like sub-saharan Africans, they were dark skinned Caucasoids and if Rivain is modelled after Medieval Spain that should reflect that fact. You wouldn't expect a country modelled after Spain to be predominantly filled with lily-white blue-eyed blondes and redheads after all.


I never once claimed that African peoples are the only ones with dark skin tones. I did say that without being of mixed ancestry, Caucasian peoples are not 'ebony' or 'black.' And that is fact.

Some Berbers (the people the Europeans originally called Moors) are partially sub-Saharan African.

So you're still wrong.

And at any rate, Rivain isn't Almohad Spain. It doesn't have to be an exact copy. If the devs want to make the Rivaini entirely a mix between the Thedas equivalent of tan Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans, they can. In no way whatsoever would that be lore-breaking.


Except that I'm right, because the very existence of Indians proves that Caucasoids do indeed come in dark skinned varieties without needing any sort of negroid influence.


The dark complexion of some Indians proves no such thing, because Indians are racially diverse. They do not have solely Caucasoid origins, but are also descended from Australoids and Mongoloids. India is and for millennia has been a melting pot. Black skin is an Australoid feature.


You're right, it is up to the devs, but to avoid racial stereotyping it would be in their best interests to at least show they care about the differences of various "black" peoples rather than just throwing in stereotypical sub-saharan Africans. They could always introduce a more genuinely African themed people at a later date.


I personally don't care whether or not the black Rivaini are analogues of an African, or an Australian aboriginal, or a Dravidian, or a person from New Guinea. I'm just curious why it is a big deal to you that they not be based on Africans. You've still yet to explain why one group of black people is preferable to another.

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Han Shot First wrote...

The dark complexion of some Indians proves no such thing, because Indians are racially diverse. They do not have solely Caucasoid origins, but are also descended from Australoids and Mongoloids. India is and for millennia has been a melting pot. Black skin is an Australoid feature.


Well there you go then. That just proves my point. Dark skin isn't solely a negroid trait any more and hasn't been for millenia, if it ever even was solely negroid in origin. Swarthy Caucasoids can and do exist, and have done for a very long time.

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I personally don't care whether or not the black Rivaini are analogues of an African, or an Australian aboriginal, or a Dravidian, or a person from New Guinea. I'm just curious why it is a big deal to you that they not be based on Africans. You've still yet to explain why one group of black people is preferable to another.


Stereotypical sub-saharan Africans that you seem to think all black people look like, and if they don't then they should. "Black" people are every bit as diverse as "whites" if not moreso and we should respect that by including different varieties.

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The Xand wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The dark complexion of some Indians proves no such thing, because Indians are racially diverse. They do not have solely Caucasoid origins, but are also descended from Australoids and Mongoloids. India is and for millennia has been a melting pot. Black skin is an Australoid feature.


Well there you go then. That just proves my point. Dark skin isn't solely a negroid trait any more and hasn't been for millenia, if it ever even was solely negroid in origin. Swarthy Caucasoids can and do exist, and have done for a very long time.


Are you still trying to argue that ebony Rivaini are swarthy Caucasians? Besides the fact that Gaider said they're black, ebony isn't an adjective I've ever heard used to describe caucasians with a tan. This is what ebony looks like:

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Han Shot First wrote...

I personally don't care whether or not the black Rivaini are analogues of an African, or an Australian aboriginal, or a Dravidian, or a person from New Guinea. I'm just curious why it is a big deal to you that they not be based on Africans. You've still yet to explain why one group of black people is preferable to another.


Stereotypical sub-saharan Africans that you seem to think all black people look like


Strawman.

In fact in that very text you quoted, I said otherwise.


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..and if they don't then they should. "Black" people are every bit as diverse as "whites" if not moreso and we should respect that by including different varieties.


You might actually be making some sense for a change if there were any black characters in Dragon Age games at all, sub-Saharan African analogues or otherwise. So far there hasn't been. Vivienne would be the first.

Thus the argument that characters who look sub-Saharan African somehow don't belong in the game doesn't make any more sense than the rest of your lame-brained ramblings.

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Mein gott these threads just never get old, do they?

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KC_Prototype wrote...

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what is this "black feature"?


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You've heard of African people? That's what the OP means. If you need any other obvious truths explained, let me know.


African=/=Black 

Completely different things.

Africans are black. That is the general term for ebony people. African immigrants who moved to America aren't African-Americans but classified as blacks in the US census.



Well unless you classify white Americans as European Americans then you shouldn't really regard black people by their racial ancestry either. After all they have been in America almost as long as white people have.

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Are you still trying to argue that ebony Rivaini are swarthy Caucasians? Besides the fact that Gaider said they're black, ebony isn't an adjective I've ever heard used to describe caucasians with a tan. This is what ebony looks like:

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Even most black people aren't that black.

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Strawman.

In fact in that very text you quoted, I said otherwise.


Is it though? Why does any black person in Dragon Age have to be a sub-saharan stereotype?

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You might actually be making some sense for a change if there were any black characters in Dragon Age games at all, sub-Saharan African analogues or otherwise. So far there hasn't been. Vivienne would be the first.

Thus the argument that characters who look sub-Saharan African somehow don't belong in the game doesn't make any more sense than the rest of your lame-brained ramblings.


David Gaider also said that he and the Bioware team were happy that Thedas was a loose interpretation of Medieval Europe and he was against shoehorning in black people just for the sake of their being black.

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I personally don't care whether or not the black Rivaini are analogues of an African, or an Australian aboriginal, or a Dravidian, or a person from New Guinea. I'm just curious why it is a big deal to you that they not be based on Africans. You've still yet to explain why one group of black people is preferable to another.


Because Xand only wants black people in his game if they are attractive to him and so they must have fine features. It's akin to straight males who protest gay male relationships and gay male characters in their games because they don't like the way it looks when two males kiss each other or if a male were to hit on their character. And it's nothing short of selfish idiocy.

A pity I probably won't be alive when white privilege is no longer in existence, but I hope my descendants can enjoy an environment where white is not automatically considered the default and everyone else is just "extra" and "has to be explained". And before anyone pops up with any 'omgz black racist!111!!!1' claims, my husband is white (Polish descent, no less).

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Neria Rose wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I personally don't care whether or not the black Rivaini are analogues of an African, or an Australian aboriginal, or a Dravidian, or a person from New Guinea. I'm just curious why it is a big deal to you that they not be based on Africans. You've still yet to explain why one group of black people is preferable to another.


Because Xand only wants black people in his game if they are attractive to him and so they must have fine features. It's akin to straight males who protest gay male relationships and gay male characters in their games because they don't like the way it looks when two males kiss each other or if a male were to hit on their character. And it's nothing short of selfish idiocy.

A pity I probably won't be alive when white privilege is no longer in existence, but I hope my descendants can enjoy an environment where white is not automatically considered the default and everyone else is just "extra" and "has to be explained". And before anyone pops up with any 'omgz black racist!111!!!1' claims, my husband is white (Polish descent, no less).


I don't much care if they're attractive to me or not. If I only wanted characters I find attractive the game would be comprised solely of pale little redheads with eyes like saucers. What I resent is this prevailing notion that all black people look like sub-saharan Africans. The "black" Moors of Spain just wouldn't have looked like that because they were Arabs and Berbers. If there were any "proper" black Africans amongst them they'd have been hybrids.

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there are no black people in fantasy bro


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Neria Rose wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I personally don't care whether or not the black Rivaini are analogues of an African, or an Australian aboriginal, or a Dravidian, or a person from New Guinea. I'm just curious why it is a big deal to you that they not be based on Africans. You've still yet to explain why one group of black people is preferable to another.


Because Xand only wants black people in his game if they are attractive to him and so they must have fine features. It's akin to straight males who protest gay male relationships and gay male characters in their games because they don't like the way it looks when two males kiss each other or if a male were to hit on their character. And it's nothing short of selfish idiocy.

A pity I probably won't be alive when white privilege is no longer in existence, but I hope my descendants can enjoy an environment where white is not automatically considered the default and everyone else is just "extra" and "has to be explained". And before anyone pops up with any 'omgz black racist!111!!!1' claims, my husband is white (Polish descent, no less).


Easy for you to say: you're not White. Were the shoe on the other foot, I rather doubt you'd be so eager.

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Ok... I'll ask it, because no one else seems to be explaining it. But what are "black features"? We all have 2 eyes, 2 ears, and a nose. What exactly are you asking for?

>>>>hair<<<<, a voice like sten's perhaps. I think I know what you mean though. I just don't want to have oily seal like skin from DAO

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Fardreamer wrote...

Ok... I'll ask it, because no one else seems to be explaining it. But what are "black features"? We all have 2 eyes, 2 ears, and a nose. What exactly are you asking for?

>>>>hair<<<<, a voice like sten's perhaps. I think I know what you mean though. I just don't want to have oily seal like skin from DAO


Sten is amusing because he's voiced by a skinny white guy. Honestly expected someone a lot more powerful and older looking.

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what is this "black feature"?


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You've heard of African people? That's what the OP means. If you need any other obvious truths explained, let me know.


African=/=Black 

Completely different things.

Africans are black. That is the general term for ebony people. African immigrants who moved to America aren't African-Americans but classified as blacks in the US census.


So what happens to White Africans? Im under the impression you can be African and not have ebony or dark skin. 
I guess I'm aloof to the FACT that ebon skinned belizans, Jamaicans, Dominican' s and Haitians don't consider African a general term for themselves.

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Dreadhead warden would be fun to play....


Hair like this.

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I assume a mod will get on here and close even though no one is arguing. but im surprised it went on this long C:

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x-aizen-x wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

TipsLeFedora wrote...

Dreadhead warden would be fun to play....


Hair like this.

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I did wonder what stoned white guys with dreads saw themselves as.

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greengoron89 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

Dark skinned Caucasians are not the same as African, get your genetics right.

Bunch of racists. Eurocentric too.


People being "Eurocentric" in European countries? Now that's just cruel. It's like people in African countries being Afrocentric... unthinkable!

The point is the inbalance, and the hipocracy. along with a side helping of xenophobia. Im not the one who opened your contries up to immigration, then complained. If you wanted to remain pure..should have taken that up with your elected officials.


Indeed we should have.

I'm glad though that people in other countries who wisely remained homogenous will get to retain their cultures and identity. We here in the States and most of Europe are not so lucky, and have good SJWs like some of the people in this thread to thank for it.


Aww...poor man. Doesn't even realize that America was never homogenous because It never belonged to us. Furthermore the America that was taken from the Indians absolutely could not have been built without the Slave Trade. So yea. Black people have as much too do with our stolen country as white people do. If other cultures get on your nerves so much maybe you should move to the vacuum where racism and homophobia is cool. And once again.....Bioware is making a better Character Creator and Black people do live in Thedas so this should be a non issue.

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The Xand wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

The Xand wrote...

[ They're actually quite attractive for black people.

That sounds a little wrong

Backhanded compliment.  DON'T FEED HIM.



Meh, I just don't ffind stereotypical African features attractive. Prefer finer featured pale skinned women. Not attracted to men either, doesn't mean I hate them or people that do find them attractive. Paleskinned redheads with Celtic features like Karen Gillan or Christina Hendricks however are to die for. Also quite like Alexandra Moen.

please this was not offensive to me at all. PLEASE no one get mad or the mods will sniff this one out quick.

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Neria Rose wrote...

A pity I probably won't be alive when
white privilege is no longer in existence, but I hope my descendants can
enjoy an environment where white is not automatically considered the
default and everyone else is just "extra" and "has to be explained". And
before anyone pops up with any 'omgz black racist!111!!!1' claims, my
husband is white (Polish descent, no less).

I actually had to google what "white privilege" is because it doesn't even exist as a concept in Scotland since everybody's white. We get by on hating the English instead.

That'll teach me for assuming everyone is equal.

Modifié par The Xand, 16 novembre 2013 - 12:27 .


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AND THE LEDGEN FORTOLD OF A FORBIDDEN THREAD THAT LASTED AN UNEXPECTED AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT LITTLE DID THEY KNOW THE MODS WERE GATHERING IN FORCES TO TAKE IT DOWN. THEY WILL COME LIKE WIND FROM THE SEA AND LIKE WATER SMASHES AT THE SEASHORE. NEVER STOPING. AND WITH AN IRON FIST THEY WILL COME THREW LIKE A TORNADO AND SWUP DOWN WITH FURY... SWUPPING IS BAD.

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Ugggh. Never mind.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 16 novembre 2013 - 12:40 .


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FreshIstay wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

Dark skinned Caucasians are not the same as African, get your genetics right.

Bunch of racists. Eurocentric too.


People being "Eurocentric" in European countries? Now that's just cruel. It's like people in African countries being Afrocentric... unthinkable!

The point is the inbalance, and the hipocracy. along with a side helping of xenophobia. Im not the one who opened your contries up to immigration, then complained. If you wanted to remain pure..should have taken that up with your elected officials.


Indeed we should have.

I'm glad though that people in other countries who wisely remained homogenous will get to retain their cultures and identity. We here in the States and most of Europe are not so lucky, and have good SJWs like some of the people in this thread to thank for it.


Aww...poor man. Doesn't even realize that America was never homogenous because It never belonged to us. Furthermore the America that was taken from the Indians absolutely could not have been built without the Slave Trade. So yea. Black people have as much too do with our stolen country as white people do. If other cultures get on your nerves so much maybe you should move to the vacuum where racism and homophobia is cool. And once again.....Bioware is making a better Character Creator and Black people do live in Thedas so this should be a non issue.


It belonged to us after we took it, built it, and ran it for the last few hundred years.

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greengoron89 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

Dark skinned Caucasians are not the same as African, get your genetics right.

Bunch of racists. Eurocentric too.


People being "Eurocentric" in European countries? Now that's just cruel. It's like people in African countries being Afrocentric... unthinkable!

The point is the inbalance, and the hipocracy. along with a side helping of xenophobia. Im not the one who opened your contries up to immigration, then complained. If you wanted to remain pure..should have taken that up with your elected officials.


Indeed we should have.

I'm glad though that people in other countries who wisely remained homogenous will get to retain their cultures and identity. We here in the States and most of Europe are not so lucky, and have good SJWs like some of the people in this thread to thank for it.


Aww...poor man. Doesn't even realize that America was never homogenous because It never belonged to us. Furthermore the America that was taken from the Indians absolutely could not have been built without the Slave Trade. So yea. Black people have as much too do with our stolen country as white people do. If other cultures get on your nerves so much maybe you should move to the vacuum where racism and homophobia is cool. And once again.....Bioware is making a better Character Creator and Black people do live in Thedas so this should be a non issue.


It belonged to us after we took it, built it, and ran it for the last few hundred years.


The common consensus amongst Britons is that we shipped all our crazies and assorted undesirables over there, so it's nice to see you've been productive at least.

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The Xand wrote...

I actually had to google what "white privilege" is because it doesn't even exist as a concept in Scotland since everybody's white. We get by on hating the English instead.

That'll teach me for assuming everyone is equal.


Plenty of people of colour in Scotland, and yes - white priviledge is a thing in there as well. As white people, however, we are often completely oblivious to it, because we have newer known a world outside white priviledge where we and our culture, appearance etc. is not the norm.

Also, Scottish also throw plenty of hate at the Polish immigrants and the Roma / Travellers as well - some of the discussions I had with the locals when I lived there were outright disturbing when these minorities came up in conversation. In addition, people were ridiculously rude to me when they mistook me for Polish, but when they learned I was Scandinavian they did a full 180 (because apparently Scandinavian = one of the "good" immigrants? IDK)

But on the topic of POC characters: non-Caucasian facial features and hair styles in character creation (and NPC's) would be nice, and since we're finally getting darker skintones as well, I am somewhat optimistic.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 16 novembre 2013 - 01:02 .