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[Silfren]

KC_Prototype wrote...

I know, I've been wanting know her full plans and a full explanation on what is she. Also, that cliff hanger in Witch Hunt with what Morrigan told us and what Flemeth said in the beginning of DA2 got me thinking, "What the hell is she talking about and what are her intentions?", and now people got me thinking what if Morrigan is doing the same thing with the OGB? We don't know her intentions either. Also, if you look at the statue of Andraste and Flemeth in DA2, you'll see a suspicious amount of similarities.

Well, there is TEWR's theory that Andraste was the OGB of Dumat.  I'm sure Flemeth could easily figure into that scenario somehow. 

[KC_Prototype]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hainkpe wrote...

I don't want her explained. I like the mystery of her.

That's how i felt about the reapers before Bioware ruined them with really stupid motivations so i to don't want flem flem's motives revealed.

I like mysteries but they have to be solved, especially in games. If we don't know her full intentions and what she really is by the end of the Dragon Age series, it's a floating loose end just like Dex in the Saints Row series. The reapers definitely needed to be explained since it was the end of the story.

[KC_Prototype]

Silfren wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

I know, I've been wanting know her full plans and a full explanation on what is she. Also, that cliff hanger in Witch Hunt with what Morrigan told us and what Flemeth said in the beginning of DA2 got me thinking, "What the hell is she talking about and what are her intentions?", and now people got me thinking what if Morrigan is doing the same thing with the OGB? We don't know her intentions either. Also, if you look at the statue of Andraste and Flemeth in DA2, you'll see a suspicious amount of similarities.

Well, there is TEWR's theory that Andraste was the OGB of Dumat.  I'm sure Flemeth could easily figure into that scenario somehow. 

yeah, she could. I just want to know her goals and what she is, I don't want what some people are saying and letting the series end with us not knowing what she is. I'm okay with getting to know about her more in DA:I but then not knowing the whole story and saving it for later and more speculation but at least that way we have more info on her.

[Reznore57]

To be honest I just think Flemeth is a very very old dragons who learned to shapeshift.
I think she may be the only dragon who did this and well changed...
Dragons are very cunning ,but even the Old Gods as Archdemons are nothing like humans.
They are big predators .

Humans who are tainted like Corypheus are ...still somewhat humanlike , he communicate properly , and seems to have a plan .

I'd say Flemeth is part of different myth like Mythal/fen Harel /the Maker etc...She was part of a higher races of dragons , got curious about humanity , probably help trapped the old gods back in the days (I wouldn't be surprised to learn that somekind of Dark ritual was used back then , trapping old gods souls in someplace and not a body).
Then watch elves , humans living their chaotic lives , and she probably find out that humans were dumber than dragons.But I'd guess deep down she sort of enjoy the mess.

[Icy Magebane]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
They will just end up ruining her like they did the reapers so its better to keep her motives unexplained forever IMO.

The thing is... that was just, so bad that I cannot concieve of the possibility that it could happen again.  My mind literally rejects the possibility when I attempt to envision it.

I think I agree with Medhia Nox, though... it's more important for me to know what Flemeth wants than exactly what this being is.  As long as this part gets explained, I'd be fine with assuming the legend of her and the demon is true... tbh I've never been one to speculate any further on that point.

As of now, Flemeth is just some strange being that involves itself in mortal affairs for some reason.  That's all that we actually know.  Is it really okay to leave it at that?  To just string the plot along until the games are no longer profitable and simply leave it unresolved?  No, I'd rather they address this sooner than later and give us some solid info.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 17 novembre 2013 - 05:04 .

[Silfren]

KC_Prototype wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hainkpe wrote...

I don't want her explained. I like the mystery of her.

That's how i felt about the reapers before Bioware ruined them with really stupid motivations so i to don't want flem flem's motives revealed.

I like mysteries but they have to be solved, especially in games. If we don't know her full intentions and what she really is by the end of the Dragon Age series, it's a floating loose end just like Dex in the Saints Row series. The reapers definitely needed to be explained since it was the end of the story.

I don't buy the idea that all mysteries have to be solved.  While I wouldn't mind learning more about Flemeth, I think she is a classic example of the sort of mysteries which don't have to have resolved for the story to be satisfying.

[Volus Warlord]

Silfren wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hainkpe wrote...

I don't want her explained. I like the mystery of her.

That's how i felt about the reapers before Bioware ruined them with really stupid motivations so i to don't want flem flem's motives revealed.

I like mysteries but they have to be solved, especially in games. If we don't know her full intentions and what she really is by the end of the Dragon Age series, it's a floating loose end just like Dex in the Saints Row series. The reapers definitely needed to be explained since it was the end of the story.

I don't buy the idea that all mysteries have to be solved.  While I wouldn't mind learning more about Flemeth, I think she is a classic example of the sort of mysteries which don't have to have resolved for the story to be satisfying.

Painful as it is, I agree with the radfem here. Mystery  can give the story an element of magic, for lack of a better term, which makes the story more enjoyable. 

Then you stupidly explain away the well-explained mystery, the magic goes away, and the writing falls flat on its face.

[The Xand]

Fine ignore my awesome posts, gaww :'(

Modifié par The Xand, 17 novembre 2013 - 05:04 .

[Icy Magebane]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Painful as it is, I agree with the radfem here. Mystery  can give the story an element of magic, for lack of a better term, which makes the story more enjoyable. 

Then you stupidly explain away the well-explained mystery, the magic goes away, and the writing falls flat on its face.

I like to believe that some writers are more skilled than others, and you can test that theory by browsing your local library.  It's unfair to assume that because of a recent blunder, or even series of unrealated but similarly glaring blunders if you look at the entire gaming industry, this storyline will also have an unsatisfying conclusion.

[Taveira]

Flemeth is the G-man.

[AutumnWitch]

I think she will ultimately be working to better Thedas. She did save both the Warden and Hawke from certain death. The Warden certainly dealt a blow to the darkspawn and I am sure Flemeth foresaw her/him doing that which would indicate she isn't working for/with the darkspawn.

But I think she is more about balance than really taking sides. I think she understands the world isn't black and white and when things become unbalanced either way, it's unhealthy for Thedas.

The only thing that worries me about her is that she seems to be working in contrast to Morrigan who I think is "good intentioned". So maybe Morrigan is horribly jaded and wants to do something to change the power balance (supernaturally as opposed to politically) for Thedas and Flemeth wants to stop her?

Morrigan really has some type of chip on her shoulder and I think that is key to everything and somehow Flemeth "knows" that as good intentioned as Morrigan may be, ultimately its bad for Thedas.

[Ieldra]

I think Flemeth is overall more benevolent than not, though that may be accidental. I also think important characters, organizations and nations of Thedas are used as figures in some kind of cosmic chess game played by Flemeth and an unknown opponent.

We don't know what exactly her interests are, but she knows of some big change which is inevitable (probably having something to do with the Fade tears and with magic in general) and tries to orchestrate events leading up to it. Without her interference....

(1) There might have been a longer Blight in Ferelden.
(2) There would be no OGB
(3) Hawke wouldn't have reached Kirkwall and there would be no mage rebellion.

Given how inevitable the big events in DA2 were with Hawke as the catalyst, I think Flemeth foresaw the effect Hawke would have on Kirkwall. She couldn't have foreseen the other events, but she's playing a long game, setting several figures on the board which might trigger events which are in her interest. 

As for Flemeth's opponent,  that one might have orchestrated events so that the Fifth Blight happened when it did and that Orlais is in chaos. This entity might also have an interest in the mage rebellion because it weakens the Chantry, and it may be the one immediately responsible for the Fade tears (which would've happened anyway, but not necessarily in conjunction with all the other events).

What interests me most at this time is the question: how much of a player is Morrigan in this game, and how much of a figure? And of course who is the opponent and what are the goals of the players.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 novembre 2013 - 08:11 .

[SgtSteel91]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think Flemeth is overall more benevolent than not, though that may be accidental. I also think important characters, organizations and nations of Thedas are used as figures in some kind of cosmic chess game played by Flemeth and an unknown opponent.

We don't know what exactly her interests are, but she knows of some big change which is inevitable (probably having something to do with the Fade tears and with magic in general) and tries to orchestrate events leading up to it. Without her interference....

(1) There might have been a longer Blight in Ferelden.
(2) There would be no OGB
(3) Hawke wouldn't have reached Kirkwall and there would be no mage rebellion.

Given how inevitable the big events in DA2 were with Hawke as the catalyst, I think Flemeth foresaw the effect Hawke would have on Kirkwall. She couldn't have foreseen the other events, but she's playing a long game, setting several figures on the board which might trigger events which are in her interest. 

As for Flemeth's opponent,  that one might have orchestrated events so that the Fifth Blight happened when it did and that Orlais is in chaos. This entity might also have an interest in the mage rebellion because it weakens the Chantry, and it may be the one immediately responsible for the Fade tears (which would've happened anyway, but not necessarily in conjunction with all the other events).

What interests me most at this time is the question: how much of a player is Morrigan in this game, and how much of a figure? And of course who is the opponent and what are the goals of the players.

Well the Architect started the Fifth Blight by feeding the Old God Grey Warden blood. But I'm not sure he's the other opponent you're thinking of.

[Hellion Rex]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think Flemeth is overall more benevolent than not, though that may be accidental. I also think important characters, organizations and nations of Thedas are used as figures in some kind of cosmic chess game played by Flemeth and an unknown opponent.

We don't know what exactly her interests are, but she knows of some big change which is inevitable (probably having something to do with the Fade tears and with magic in general) and tries to orchestrate events leading up to it. Without her interference....

(1) There might have been a longer Blight in Ferelden.
(2) There would be no OGB
(3) Hawke wouldn't have reached Kirkwall and there would be no mage rebellion.

Given how inevitable the big events in DA2 were with Hawke as the catalyst, I think Flemeth foresaw the effect Hawke would have on Kirkwall. She couldn't have foreseen the other events, but she's playing a long game, setting several figures on the board which might trigger events which are in her interest. 

As for Flemeth's opponent,  that one might have orchestrated events so that the Fifth Blight happened when it did and that Orlais is in chaos. This entity might also have an interest in the mage rebellion because it weakens the Chantry, and it may be the one immediately responsible for the Fade tears (which would've happened anyway, but not necessarily in conjunction with all the other events).

What interests me most at this time is the question: how much of a player is Morrigan in this game, and how much of a figure? And of course who is the opponent and what are the goals of the players.

Good post. The way Flemeth speaks in DAII about Morrigan leads me to suspect that Morrigan is doing what Flemeth wants as of now, although unknowingly. I believe Flemeth set herself up to be an antagonist in Morrigan's eyes that needed to be stopped. In doing so, she uses Morrigan to do some of her work for her.

[Hellion Rex]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think Flemeth is overall more benevolent than not, though that may be accidental. I also think important characters, organizations and nations of Thedas are used as figures in some kind of cosmic chess game played by Flemeth and an unknown opponent.

We don't know what exactly her interests are, but she knows of some big change which is inevitable (probably having something to do with the Fade tears and with magic in general) and tries to orchestrate events leading up to it. Without her interference....

(1) There might have been a longer Blight in Ferelden.
(2) There would be no OGB
(3) Hawke wouldn't have reached Kirkwall and there would be no mage rebellion.

Given how inevitable the big events in DA2 were with Hawke as the catalyst, I think Flemeth foresaw the effect Hawke would have on Kirkwall. She couldn't have foreseen the other events, but she's playing a long game, setting several figures on the board which might trigger events which are in her interest. 

As for Flemeth's opponent,  that one might have orchestrated events so that the Fifth Blight happened when it did and that Orlais is in chaos. This entity might also have an interest in the mage rebellion because it weakens the Chantry, and it may be the one immediately responsible for the Fade tears (which would've happened anyway, but not necessarily in conjunction with all the other events).

What interests me most at this time is the question: how much of a player is Morrigan in this game, and how much of a figure? And of course who is the opponent and what are the goals of the players.

Well the Architect started the Fifth Blight by feeding the Old God Grey Warden blood. But I'm not sure he's the other opponent you're thinking of.

I think Ieldra is talking about who awoke the Architect. I am still convinced that he was a Magister like Corypheus who somehow lost his memory.

[Nightdragon8]

bluebullets wrote...

Its been 4 games, as of da3.. I want to know what she is and what her motives are. I can olnly be strung along for so long..

4??

also why not? do you know what the darkspawn really are? do you know what the viel really is about?

wait till the game comes out before you start complaining about there being no info. considering da3 is still in devlopment I think your jumping the gun alittle.

[Ieldra]

@SgtSteel:
The Architect can be dead, so he's not that opponent. He may have awoken the Architect though, setting the events in motion. I think it is the same entity who lured the magisters to the Golden City, speaking in a voice the magisters mistook for Dumat's.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 novembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@SgtSteel:
The Architect can be dead, so he's not that opponent. He may have awoken the Architect though, setting the events in motion. I think it is the same entity who lured the magisters to the Golden City, speaking in a voice the magisters mistook for Dumat's.

But who could it be ?

[Black Jimmy]

 Eventually, but I don't think it'll happen in Inquisition.
She'll have a role, either large or small, as it wouldn't be Dragon Age without Flemeth but I think we'll find out her motives slowly over the course of a few games.
At least I hope so. Flemeth is awesome and mysterious and rushing everything out in a single game would be kind of wasteful

[Ieldra]

eluvianix wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@SgtSteel:
The Architect can be dead, so he's not that opponent. He may have awoken the Architect though, setting the events in motion. I think it is the same entity who lured the magisters to the Golden City, speaking in a voice the magisters mistook for Dumat's.

But who could it be ?

No one we've met or heard of by name before, I'd say. Nobody we know of is on the same level as Flemeth. I might have thought it was a plot by Dumat, but unless the stories we hear about Dumat are all wrong and (a) he's alive and ( he was never an Archdemon that's very unlikely.

[The Elder King]

@eluvianix: I'm glad to see someone else that think that the Architect might be a Magister who lost his memory.
@Ieldra2: I agree, Dumat doesn't seems to be Flemeth's adversary (if your theory is true, and I think it could be).
The problem is that we know little about Flemeth. Without knowing what she is, it's difficult to identity her possible adversary.

[TheKomandorShepard]

As i said before i don't have intrest in having invincible villains in dragon age so i hope finally i can get rid of her forever than being pawn in her stupid chess game when she predicts every action every person always winning.

[Reznore57]

I think some survivors from Arlathan send the magisters to their doom.
A bunch of very powerful and pissed elves , they are always nice.
I mean they had every reason to look for revenge and litlle to lose ...when Arlathan sunk ,it seems elves lost their edge ...I mean they went from the race who had the most knowledge in magic to slaves.
I really think there were something special in Arlathan.

Anyway the old elves did something.
What we know about Thedas history is :
Huge dragons ruled , no veil.
Huge dragons are burried underground ,the elves rule the land , and master the fade.
Humans probably existed at this very ancient time because they still show some sign of old symbiosis with dragons , and well dragon worship blablabla ,but they only started to have magic when they land in Thedas.Which is strange.
There's also a few hints Qunari may have lived in Thedas a very long time ago ,and were worshipped by humans ,and well left Thedas at some point.

[Medhia Nox]

Ieldra2: I agree with you, and also do not believe that Flemeth is the villain of the two. Beings with larger spectrums of concern are required to do things an individual human would consider evil - but the concern of such vast beings isn't one man, or one nation, or even one species - it's the entire sum of all creation.

Whatever Flemeth "can" perceive - she's moving to preserve it I believe. This sometimes means that you have to cauterize wounds (like Kirkwall) to heal the greater whole. That "might" imply she's against magic - and personally, I would be outrageously happy if she were actually. Magic as answer to everything is my most hated theme.

I honestly think Morrigan is either 1) "THE" opponent she's facing. 2) A servant of the opponent she's facing.

Morrigan is a liar and a manipulator who clearly knows FAR more than she appears to. Morrighan'an is even a figure in the story of Lothias Dwarfson and I don't think that is coincidental.

Still, it seems like there are times when she's been genuinely surprised - so it's more likely she's a pawn of Flemeth's opponent.

I'd personally love to see Morrigan realize what kind of stupid ass she's been with her mentality - and return from the Eluvian in a panic to try to set things right. Having Morrigan turn into a heroic figure of healing would be an excellent evolution of the character (and contrary to people's thoughts - heroic good guys don't have to be sunshine and rainbows - they can still be acerbic nasty wenches like she's always been).

Anyway - I don't want ALL of Flemeth's story played out - but finding out that at least one of your PCs is part of her end game strategy (while already implying the other's were) would be a great addition that solidifies who the character is and reveals that Flemeth is more of a "mystery" than she is just obtuse. ((see my distinction between mystery and ambiguity several posts up for what I perceive as the difference between the two)).

[Spectre slayer]

Yes we will find out more about what Flemeth is and what her true nature is according to the podcasts, the game informer cover story from awhile back which specifically mentions that this one loose end that we will get more clarification on if not full resolution.